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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by followtheevidence
reply to post by TheTruthCqer
 


So because we don't see atoms they don't exist?
edit on 21-5-2012 by followtheevidence because: (no reason given)


Someone must have told you about atoms because how many people have ever seen an atom?
The 'concept' of an atom as an indivisible component of matter was first proposed by early Indian and Greek philosophers, they believed it was 'uncuttable' (impossible to divide), it was believed to be the smallest building block.
Since then it has been found to be 99.99999% empty space.
So it is not true that atoms 'exist' as such.

“Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter.”

- Quote attributed to Albert Einstein

This is quoted.
Somewhere within that emptiness, we know is a nucleus. We scan the space, and there it is, a tiny dot. At last, we have discovered something hard and solid, a reference point. But no! as we move closer to the nucleus, it too begins to dissolve. It too is nothing more than an oscillating field, waves of rhythm. Inside the nucleus are other organized fields: protons, neutrons, even smaller “particles.” Each of these, upon our approach, also dissolve into pure rhythm. These days they (the scientists) are looking for quarks, strange subatomic entities, having qualities which they describe with such words as upness, downness, charm, strangeness, truth, beauty, color, and flavor. But no matter. If we could get close enough to these wondrous quarks, they too would melt away. They too would have to give up all pretense of solidity. Even their speed and relationship would be unclear, leaving them only relationship and pattern of vibration.



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posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
 


Nothing is an idea.
The idea of the absence of anything exists.
Therefore, nothing is something.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by SamTGonzalez
 


No-Thing

Some-Thing

Can you not see how the one is totally not the other?



They are both things, therefore they both exist.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Nothing is an idea.
The idea of the absence of anything exists.
Therefore, nothing is something.


Oh, I see...

One is a number

Two is also a number

Therefore, One is Two.

Go away before I am forced to taunt you.



posted on Oct, 30 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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I think you are confused.
One is a number.
-1 is a number.
Even though a negative number signifies a certain number not existing, it is still a number.
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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by SamTGonzalez
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
 


Nothing is an idea.
The idea of the absence of anything exists.
Therefore, nothing is something.


The idea that 'things' exist is also just an idea.
Existence appears to exist.
This is nothing happening.
Nothing appears and looks like this but it is not a 'thing'.

youtu.be...
edit on 31-10-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


I think what I'm trying to say is that every thing exists



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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I think what I'm trying to say is that every thing exists


You were stating that Everything, in fact, DOESN'T exist.

and I QUOTE:


everything exists
nothing is something
if it wasn't, it wouldn't exist
nothing exists

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You stated that nothing is something.

This is the exact opposite of the definitions of both Something, *AND* Nothing.

They are, literally, opposites.

And you are trying to state that they are the same.

What I am telling you right now, is the BASIC FOUNDATION OF LOGIC.

The very same foundation of logic that you are attempting (either deliberately, or through ignorance) to attack.

Hence, my rebuttal to your "Poem"

I am denying the ignorance that was your post.

A is A
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posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
 


Lol well if that's the case, then your logic is flawed.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by SamTGonzalez
 



Nothing is an idea.
The idea of the absence of anything exists.
Therefore, nothing is something.


Oh, I see...




One is a number

Two is also a number

Therefore, One is Two.

Go away before I am forced to taunt you.


In Mitosis one equals two.

Any thoughts?



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 11:38 PM
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Lol well if that's the case, then your logic is flawed.


So.... that's it?

A baseless assertion without so much as an explanation?

Would you mind explaining WHY you came to believe that your assertion is correct?

Or are you just barking at me?



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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In Mitosis one equals two.

Any thoughts?


You are forgetting the addition of mass to the cellular structure by the food and energy that the cell consumes to undergo mitosis.

Your analogy is horribly flawed, and childishly oversimplified.

Try Again.



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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reply to post by ErtaiNaGia
 


1=2 a fact of life....

Mitosis

Any thoughts?



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 11:53 PM
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Dude like no lol chill out



posted on Oct, 31 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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reply to post by Kashai
 


I find it interesting how we can find out so much about the universe and the way things work by observing things at a molecular level. Do you think it is possible that our universe evolved from a single cell?



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 12:01 AM
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I understand your message.

What is your native language?.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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1=2 a fact of life....


False.

You are insinuating that a cell dividing means that one and two are the same thing.

Despite the fact that you already KNOW that one and two are entirely different concepts.

Else, you would not say "1=2" because if you already believe that they are the same thing, you would just say "1=1" or "2=2" and be done with it.

Because form the logic of your "Perspective" 1 and 2 are the same thing, and thus differentiating between them would be not only redundant, but completely contrary to your statement that 1=2.

Q.E.D.

You are wrong.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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Dangerous tinking that maybe God is smaller than us,Hey?.

Humans Barrogant..

Damitgoin into txtmode agin.



posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 12:07 AM
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Dude like no lol chill out


If your life was filled with zen like levels of enlightenment and epiphany about the nature of reality, conciousness, and thought every day of your life.

And you lived the immortal lifetimes that outdated the current age of the universe... and the next one.... and the next one....

If your sentience was expanded through the advent of quantum cybernetic implants to make your entire conciousness a function of ultra-miniaturized computation systems....

If your brain was expanded to the size of an entire planet... and then a matroska shell around our star, made entirely of computational equipment....


You could not even APPROACH the comprehension required to understand just how chill I am.




posted on Nov, 1 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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What is apparent is that one cell becomes two cells, that is not a beleif.

Have you ever seen a cell divide...



1=2

Any thoughts?

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