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The Church of HIV: Inventing the AIDS Virus

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by SamKappler
reply to post by research100
 


I should have more sense and not reply to the OP, but sometimes this subject just makes me mad. To think that one day I had similar views, how ignorant could I have been?

Thank you for the support, somehow your reply has made things much easier for me. That is what I mean by compassion: to think about the other side not as a contestant, but as a fellow human being. You made me understand that there is still hope out there.

Thank you, in my name, and in the name of my family.


The fact of the matter is that you have not replied to the O.P.! Your obfuscation is quite evident. You don't want to have a discussion, you thought you could enter this thread and post a bunch of propaganda, beginning with a sad "true life" story that we can only take your word for it, a word that has been used to present many lies about the O.P. and the information posted.

If you do not want to engage in a discussion that actually deals with facts you do not have to, but don't think for a single second that your lies will go without refutation.




posted on May, 21 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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i doubt he's even read the op. he can't even distinguish between being hiv+ and having full blown aids. he first states that his wife has hiv then he claims that having aids isn't a death sentence. surviving with hiv is possible but i've never heard anyone surviving from aids. i think he is full of #. your op has some great info on this subject, don't let his verbose nonsense derail your thread...



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Sam: the research and the refutation must go on, despite the cries to stop the research. After all... ignorance must be denied, correct? And we can't have any research if researchers are found dead or otherwise silenced, can we?

Many people may also find suspicious that your account was created today and that your first three posts were replies to this thread. Furthermore, despite your claim that English is not your first language, you write more fluently than the majority of native speakers here.
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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I love ATS for its entertainment and informative potential, but there is a limit to what one might accept, a limit that revolves around responsibility and compassion to fellow human beings.


I just noticed the date you joined this site as a member. I then took a look at your profile. As of this post, the only thread you've posted in is this one. You may very well love ATS, and may be a long time lurker who for some reason never felt compelled to join and post in the plethora of threads that seem to lack responsibility and compassion, instead only joining today to post in this thread, of which you expect people to believe is a thread that lacks responsibility and compassion.

Again, my entire purpose of creating this thread was to address the undeniable propaganda machine that exists to shout down people who question the HIV paradigm. That you've only just joined this site, and that as of this posting have only posted in this thread is something that should be noted. You clearly have an agenda, and that agenda seems to have little regard for responsibility or compassion, and instead is an agenda fully committed to dishonesty and obfuscation.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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That was the best compliment I have received in a long time.


Na verdade, o portuguẽs é minha primeira língua e tenho muito orgulho de ser brasileiro. Espero que o Google translate possa lhe ajudar a entender essa frase. De qualquer forma, agradeço-lhe pelo elogio ao meu inglês, realmente faço de tudo para escrever bem, seja lá qual for a língua.

Indeed I was a lurker, and indeed I have signed on only to reply to this post. Please try to understand: this is a pesonal matter to me, it's the survival of my wife (not girlfriend) which is at stake.

All I'm trying to say is that less educated people read posts such as these and then decide to give up taking medicine. My wife ex-husband was one the who chose this unfortunate path.

As much as I would enjoy to keep writing, it is already time to put my daughter to bed. And by 22:00 my wife should be home, back from the university. I will have to do my best to hide from her that I have engaged in a discussion about this subject once again, contrary to what I have promised her.

All I can say is that if your compliment to my writing skills made my day. Thanks. Obrigado mesmo, valeu! =]



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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All I'm trying to say is that less educated people read posts such as these and then decide to give up taking medicine. My wife ex-husband was one the who chose this unfortunate path.


If "less educated" people even bother to enter one of my threads at all and post it is to post this:

TLDR

Save your superiority complex for the "less educated" people, none of them have posted in this thread.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Had a great conversation on this very subject 2 weeks ago, at the hospital no less. I was speaking with a gentleman who was there with his daughter and we started to venture into ATS related topics (although he has never been to this site, his information was incredible, almost like he was a walking ATS in and of himself, which was fascinating since I took him for rather un-educated and most certainly not aware of these topics). He brought up Duesberg, and he told me to look it up that AIDS/HIV wasnt really what people thought and that people didnt start to get sick until AFTER they took AZT. There was something in that medicine that took HIV from just a virus that produced anti-bodies and literally turned it into AIDS. Coupled with the fact that there were some HIV + individuals out of Australia, whom never received AZT as part of their treatment and in fact never developed the AIDS part of the disease. I dont have the research to back up his claims, but I can clearly see he was onto something as per this thread. I am surprised with the OPs post actually, I see AZT was touched upon and why on earth would a cancer drug be used for HIV/AIDS is beyond me other than for profit motives.

I see the government and big pharma for what it really is a perpetual machine of killing and profits. Our governemnt does not love us, they are not meant to take care of his, and it seems the only thing they are good at is taking our money and our livelihoods....ON PURPOSE...thats how they get rich, not only are they stealing our money via taxes, but they purposefully make us sick, only to 'cure' us, just to make us sick again, and repeat a cycle of spending money to be 'healed'.


Just look at this short little cycle and realize our government is involved in it all the way to the hilt.

Supply of food, where does it come from? Well it comes from corporations such as Monsanto who create 'franken-foods' (also government buddies), the cattle, swine, and poultry farmers whom *all* (I know not literally ALL, but most) use steroids, antibiotics, etc to grow faster, larger, and without as much loss due to sickness and dying. And if its not from direct injection into our livestock, what about the grain crops that are genetically altered for the wheat and corns that these animals eat, guess what, its still likely there. Not to mention the flouride in the animal's water. So we are poisoned from the start.

Who oversees the 'health factor' of these foods............The FDA

So now the foods have made us ill, they have made us immune to antibiotics, made us grow larger, and various other ailments. Take cancer for instance. Its a mystery that it just shows up here in America all widespread and uncontrollable like it has, and yet there is no cure, there is no prevention, and the treatment is extremely costly (and honestly not entirely all effective). IT IS NOT PROFITABLE TO CURE CANCER, it is EXTREMELY profitable to make people sick, pretend to cure them, and milk them for all their money (Apparently its not profitable to cure AIDS/HIV either)

Who controls the quality of our food supply.......ding ding ding THE FDA

In the same vein, the FDA is also the government entity that says that supplements arent right for you, and they hardly ever get approved. Go into a GNC and look on the shelves, now tell me how many of those NATURAL vitamins, minerals, pills, etc were FDA approved? probably very few. Also there have been recent crackdowns from The Gove on homepathic remedies, and god forbid you actually out loud practice homepathic treatment, you are looked down upon as a quack, although those remedies usually tend to be from natural sources with much longer track records of working. For instance some ancient root in China might help you sleep, which is natural and non FDA approved, but you should take a Tylenol PM instead, cause the government said it was ok.

So theres my little rant on the issue. I see the government as nothing more than a parasite, a leech, as it were who STEAL our money either by force (IRS) or by more subtle means (making us 'sick', only to 'cure' us). So keep relying on this government to fix you, make you better, and keep you living. You know whats funny, people line up for the governments free money (food stamps) just to get in line at the grocery store to buy these government approved products to keep making those bastards even more rich. Keep relying on uncle sam, the only thing they will guarantee for you is a death sentence and having stole as much money from you as they possibly can.

WAKE UP PEOPLE-------THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT LOVE YOU, JUST YOUR MONEY



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Excellent post Sam and I agree with everything you said, I find this thread offensive. I am a long time lurker here and JPZ is usually an excellent contributor to these forums, I am afraid he has made a mistake by posting this drivel. The points in his OP have been debunked a million times over. Most who shared the view of Peter Duesberg have changed their minds themselves when faced with the mounting evidence including one of the OP sources, Dr Mullin.

There is no doubt that HIV eventually leads to AIDS, it is a proven fact. There are long term nonprogressor's, those who have hiv, but don't develop AIDS until much later than the typical person, they eventually develop AIDS. This kind of disinfo is mad.

Threads like these are dangerous and terribly misleading to someone who may find themselves in a desperate situation and fall on this information to guide them. In defense of John Paul, he stated he doesn't know what to believe, but he most certainly cherry picked his data. This thread is disrespectful to those who suffer and very dangerous. It's 2012 and people are still posting this nonsense, it's a scary world. I'm no big pharma fan, but this is beyond absurd.

I wish your wife all the best and admire your courage to stand by and support her no matter what. Kudos to you, you're one hell of a man. Not many people could do what you are doing.

Hope all is well and here's to hoping one day we find a cure.
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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You are out of line JPZ. Ever think maybe he lurked around here a long time and seen a topic very dear to him that he had to comment. I love ATS, we discuss things that aren't often discussed in the msm ect, but this is ridiculous.

You know better.
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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It's amazing that the one person who has real life experience in dealing with this is being called out by people who believe in information that belongs in the hoax bin.

Sickening.
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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Curiously, you are the one who seems to making suppositions about the higher educational level of those who bother to read your posts. In view of such, I ask you who has the superiority complex here? Who is actually displaying an inflated sense of self-importance?

You seem to trying your best to annoy me. I must have struck a chord or something. Maybe I'll just let it cool off. My daughter needs me now, and I strongly suspect that I've given you more attention than you deserve.

Peace!





posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Was just doing some light follow-up digging and found these articles. Maybe they will help shed some light, idk, im at work trying to close, and dont really have the time for a proper analysis.

www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com...

adding another link i was just reading:

molbio.med.miami.edu...

Just noticed this is from the miami university....hmm
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by SamKappler
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


Curiously, you are the one who seems to making suppositions about the higher educational level of those who bother to read your posts. In view of such, I ask you who has the superiority complex here? Who is actually displaying an inflated sense of self-importance?

You seem to trying your best to annoy me. I must have struck a chord or something. Maybe I'll just let it cool off. My daughter needs me now, and I strongly suspect that I've given you more attention than you deserve.

Peace!




Peace my ass! Peace is the last thing you're after. You cannot defame and malign a person through lies and obfuscation and call that peace. Interestingly, the only reply you've made directly to me is this one, and what you've chosen to argue is who has a superiority complex. The facts? You seem to have no interest in that.

If you want peace, you might consider practicing some of that responsibility and compassion you claim to adore and use it here in regards to people who have valid questions regarding this HIV = AIDS industry.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by SamKappler
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


Curiously, you are the one who seems to making suppositions about the higher educational level of those who bother to read your posts. In view of such, I ask you who has the superiority complex here? Who is actually displaying an inflated sense of self-importance?

You seem to trying your best to annoy me. I must have struck a chord or something. Maybe I'll just let it cool off. My daughter needs me now, and I strongly suspect that I've given you more attention than you deserve.

Peace!




No worries Sam, I wish you and your family all the best !!!!



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by macaronicaesar
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


You are out of line JPZ. Ever think maybe he lurked around here a long time and seen a topic very dear to him that he had to comment. I love ATS, we discuss things that aren't often discussed in the msm ect, but this is ridiculous.

You know better.
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Really? You have all ready made your position clear in this thread, and you are apparently more than fine with the lies that member posted about my O.P.. You seem to think it is okay to defame a person as long as that defamation is used against someone you disagree with.

You know better!

You claim this thread belongs in the hoax bin? Prove it! Don't just reify! You know better. You want to post your unsupported opinions? Have at it, but if you want to scold me for questioning a person who has willingly lied in this thread about the facts, while then declaring this thread belongs in the hoax bin, I think you are going to have to do better than reify.

The fact of the matter is doing the research on this is hard work. Some members posting in this thread have bothered to do that work. Halfholdman doesn't agree with this thread, but at least that member is doing the work to make valid arguments. The same with Realspoke. They're trying to offer a reasoned debate. What are you up to?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by macaronicaesar
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You are out of line JPZ. Ever think maybe he lurked around here a long time and seen a topic very dear to him that he had to comment. I love ATS, we discuss things that aren't often discussed in the msm ect, but this is ridiculous.

You know better.
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Really? You have all ready made your position clear in this thread, and you are apparently more than fine with the lies that member posted about my O.P.. You seem to think it is okay to defame a person as long as that defamation is used against someone you disagree with.

You know better!

You claim this thread belongs in the hoax bin? Prove it! Don't just reify! You know better. You want to post your unsupported opinions? Have at it, but if you want to scold me for questioning a person who has willingly lied in this thread about the facts, while then declaring this thread belongs in the hoax bin, I think you are going to have to do better than reify.

The fact of the matter is doing the research on this is hard work. Some members posting in this thread have bothered to do that work. Halfholdman doesn't agree with this thread, but at least that member is doing the work to make valid arguments. The same with Realspoke. They're trying to offer a reasoned debate. What are you up to?



There is nothing to debate, the fact that your sources no longer agree with you should tell you everything. You presented this as one-sided as you could. It's disgusting, I'm not going to research anything. I already have, and everything in your OP is gunk.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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There is nothing to debate, the fact that your sources no longer agree with you should tell you everything. You presented this as one-sided as you could. It's disgusting, I'm not going to research anything. I already have, and everything in your OP is gunk.


Again you're reifying. You couldn't be bothered to back up your claims here, just post them. Back up your claims! Deny ignorance!



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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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cape town, south africa, really try doing your spiel to an 8 year old girl while her family is looking in the eyes of the guys that did it and won a mandela scholarship, in south africa raping a white girl earns scholarship, the blacks are riddled with disease, explain?



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