Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
....any attempt to provide context for a bit of science, provide more or better sources, or to simply offer an opinion acts as an invitation for you
to pour hate-filled posts my way. I just don't care to deal with you anymore, and you are part of the reason myself (and two other medical
professionals I know posted here) have left. You are contributing to the decline in expertise in this forum, and are making it a single-channel source
of information, rather than the back-and-forth it used to be.
So, good luck with everything. I'm sure nothing I can say or do will change your opinion, so...why bother? You have the benefit of NOT being HIV
positive, so of course you can rally behind the myths of Duesberg and de Harven. No amount of science, direct contradiction of your sources, or
anything else will make a difference.
Yes I have noticed this problem with this thread and a few others on this subject. The people that submit the 'evidence' seem to be blind to
progress, and unwilling to accept anything that is not a direct refutation of their source of information. This was a good argument to have back in
the 90's. It's just history now. No facts, only a past vision.
The information in this thread is enlightening for the way science and politics get mixed up.
Just don't use it for medical information. Especially the title. And most of the dated medical analysis.
It's like its a debate at high school. Life experience and common knowledge mean nothing in this 'debate', only the references, the one with the
most, gets the first speaker award and moves on to the semifinal rounds.
This is is a debate about the history of politics surrounding one aspect of medicine and science. Actually, only one aspect of the politics as well,
only one 'piece' of history about the raging debate concerning the existence (and this debate has other influences, social, religious, moral...that
are not even noted in this bickering on who isolated what and who could prove what). No true fact-finding as all the 'medicine' in this research is
20 years old. It is interesting how many twists and turns the science has taken. But it's all history. Old news.
Jean-Paul is a professional debater. And a good historian. Not a purveyor of current science or fact. And, like many of the people that push this
alternate reality, very possibly motivated by factors that are not political or scientific. Yes, I said it. Why does anyone keep dusting off this
tripe and spouting it as current fact? It's nothing but a bunch of bullfighting between research political figureheads, tryind to discredit each
other and take credit, with no real science!
And Jean-Paul does have the benefit of not being HIV-positive, this prevents him from having to look at current science and current proof, and take
current drugs. He can stay in the fantasy land of dreaming the virus did not exist, and comfort himself with the knowledge that mid-90's technology
will never isolate it for him and prove him wrong. No stinking CD4 counts, no viral load, none of that poison pill, don't believe in that crap
anyway, there is no virus.
My opinion for what it's worth. That and a nickel will get you some bubble gum.
Since my statement was not a debate of facts, just an opinion, no need to argue the validity. I can answer that now. It IS my opinion and that's the
So you can cite me for not providing the correct references. I have plenty, I could find plenty. But I 'wish not to'.
The reason - I believe in Darwin, and I believe anyone that reads this thread and actually believes it is up for a Darwin Award. I don't wish to
exclude them by spouting facts, someone might believe me, without references, and that can't happen. It is the way of evolution that some will
believe this and not their doctors, and die. Because Jean-Paul said it didn't exist. And a bunch of people agreed with him. So it must be true.
I'm not competing for the semifinal rounds. I've said my opinion and I am moving on, you can trash me after the door swings shut. I'll leave the
trophy for you guys to continue haggling over.