The answer to JOBS and WAGES? Look no further then outsourced.

I see that JOBS is a very very hot topic, it is even in my hometown Austin Texas with its low 5.5% unemployment stats that just got published. It is a very logical answer to EVERYONE'S questions/rage/torment/frustration with the state of jobs in their country.

Those jobs are cheaper to do overseas in third world nations. In some instances they are done better overseas in third world nations.

Liberals, conservative, socialist, marxsist, libertarian, anarchist,vegans, cats, fish and everything else we should all be able to agree on this one item. Jobs are now globally sourced.

Watch this boolean statement progress. It is very logical.

If we outsource out jobs,
and other countries have labor that can do our jobs;
and that labor can do nearly or as good a job;
and the costs for the job are lower;
then that job is better outsourced.

* My personal opinion is that this is the largest issue I have with the "help everyone on the globe" mentality that is pervasive in the modern world. It sounds really caring and compassionate to say or type, but it is a very different feeling when your living the effects of it day in and day out.

If there is any sliver of a silver lining for you, it is that you actually ARE helping those people in the third world countries. That $1-5 a day wage is changing their standard of living dramatically.

It's called Capitalism.

Companies are just going wherever labor is cheaper.

Same case with illegal immigration, people on here love to hate on the people coming here to "steal" their jobs.

Truth is, those jobs belong to the people willing to do the job for the less amount of money.

So could a government even begin to think it could reign this back in? I mean closed borders in the age of the internet? I think that's a pretty big challenge even for our own mega-govt. I honestly think people need to rethink a lot of what they felt was the "status quo" for getting by. If you cant have a constant evolution of your skills, your toasted.

Here is the problem.

"We" say "our" jobs but "they" are "multinational".

The companies are not tied to any individual nation.

reply to post by muse7


Yes, capitalism. And the way for outsourcing is usually paved (with gold and perks) by a government who claims to act on behalf of it's people but in the interest of the businesses which are, in fact, owned by those who support the governments. Regular people just pay for it all.

The perfect case of outsourcing a job must of course, be the job of President of the United States.

At least his English is coherant, better than most African call centre employees anyway.

The reasons wages are lower in these other countries is because the people have no rights, and live under totalitarian governance.

The answer is to conduct trade agreements that require our trading partners to establish rights and minimal working conditions in third world nations, and a reasonable rate of pay increase, or we simply create tariffs or refuse to trade with those slave labor populations.

In the end, if no one has any money to buy anything, what will happen is that the world economy will collapse, which is essentially what is happening right now.

In my business, I use outsourcers sometimes. It's not a bad way to do things, especially when there are those that will try to charge a ton more for doing the same thing, and do a worse job of it.

Here's an example.

I hired 2 different people to write a set of 10 articles that I was using for content on a website.

The native english speaking american guy I had hired ended up doing 5, charged me 40 bucks for the 5 he did, then walked away. The articles he wrote were... less than acceptable. I had to rewrite a fair amount and correct typos.

I also hired a lady in the Philipines to do the same thing. Within a day, 10 articles were done, and she charged $1.50 each. $15 total.

Her 10 articles were awesome, had to have no rewriting and seemed to be as if done by a native english speaker.

That 15 bucks, I guarantee, fed her family for a week. That lazy guy that got my 40 bucks probably bought a new game.

Who do I use for any articles now? You betcha.

Outsourcing has its place, and it's especially great when you have had personal experience, as a business person, to see just how effective it can be.

Does that mean I wouldn't rather hire an american? No. In fact, it's my belief that it does not matter to ME WHO does it or where they are from. If they are effective at what I hried them for, charge a fair wage for doing so, and do it in a timely and successful manner, they could be some eyeless guy in a shack sitting at the north pole with a 4g connection lol

It's not about "buy american" anymore to most businesses. It's about "Who's goign to do this the best, at an affordable price, so I can afford to stay in business and keep spreading the wealth" lol

reply to post by poet1b


I really think that's a huge over generalization of the issue.

reply to post by Jomina


This was how I felt a few months ago even. I run a design firm and had 3 EE's, all pretty good at what they do. The sidework that was some other language like asp I would outsource often. However in the end I feel that EVERYONE is doing this now with the helps of freelancer, odesk ect ect and eventually not as many Americans have wages and funds. I had to furlough one of my employees last week and it has me thinking of some of these issues in a different direction.

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How do you know those articles weren't plagiarized?

When someone sues you for publishing their work unauthorized, then maybe you will change your mind.

Good luck proving they came from the Phillipines, or getting the judge to allow that as a reason to get away with it.

reply to post by jollyjollyjolly


I don't think dat u no wat ur talkin about, cause els you maght be able to explan your reasons for thunkin such a way.

wun liner dude.

Ya get what ya pay for.
Ever sit endlessly on hold only to have someone answer your call that does not speak good english or understand what your saying ?
Ever notice how bad workmanship and quality has gotten ?
Get the feeling companys don't care about the customer anymore ?
They don't !

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Jomina

 

How do you know those articles weren't plagiarized?

When someone sues you for publishing their work unauthorized, then maybe you will change your mind.

Good luck proving they came from the Phillipines, or getting the judge to allow that as a reason to get away with it.

Thank you, but I am not dumb, and I know how to check for plagiarized work. There's plenty of ways to do it that are very effective.

But thank you for the assumptions. Don't know where in my post I deserved that.

Frankly, I have found people all over the world that have tried to submit plagiarized work. I've even had some of my own work stolen that way. There's plenty of ways to check for that, as well.

Copyscape is a great example of somewhere you can go to verify plagiarism.

Originally posted by jollyjollyjolly
reply to post by Jomina

 

This was how I felt a few months ago even. I run a design firm and had 3 EE's, all pretty good at what they do. The sidework that was some other language like asp I would outsource often. However in the end I feel that EVERYONE is doing this now with the helps of freelancer, odesk ect ect and eventually not as many Americans have wages and funds. I had to furlough one of my employees last week and it has me thinking of some of these issues in a different direction.

I understand, but I also know from personal experience that someone, american or not, can do the contract work through odesk, elance, whatever, just the same as the rest of the world.

I would rather hire americans to do the freelance work, myself, and do whenever I can. But it's odd to see that a large amount of americans will end up doing less work, shoddier work, etc, than someone from another country will. I am not sure why that has worked out the way it has, but... ahh well

If an American wants to do the freelance work, then just like anyone else in the world, they have to prove that what they are charging is worth it. It's unfortunate that some don't.

Just means someone else will step in and do it, I guess lol

Originally posted by muse7
It's called Capitalism.

Companies are just going wherever labor is cheaper.

Truth is, those jobs belong to the people willing to do the job for the less amount of money.

If profitability is the motivation, surely American and European CEO's should do the decent thing and outsource their own jobs to an Indian who will do the same job by telephone from Delhi for less than a quarter of their pay?

reply to post by Jomina


They can do the work for less in other countries because the cost of living is lower. It runs back to what I said originally, eventually, they will outsource you as the middleman, and hire someone as the middle man working for much less in a third world country.

Then our cost of living will have to go down, and no one will be making large amounts of money.

"Nearly" as good is not the same as "as good." Also, this fails to take into account the horror of working conditions in some of the countries jobs are outsourced. Corporations and other profit-driven enterprises are going to make decisions based on profit alone, usually taking the most profitable route they legally can. These businesses do not care about working conditions, or other related items as long as they do not legally have to, because fixing something like this costs money, and as I said, companies are more about making money than spending it...

This is why laws and regulations must be in place to govern these businesses, because they have no moral conscience. It could be argued that government oversight is no more moral, but at least there is some oversight, as opposed to companies having free-reign, as they don't care what they mess up or who they hurt, as long as they can make money and get away with it. Look at the housing collapse and the banks...

I get what you are saying, but the bottom line has nothing to do with the "quality" of the products, and everything to do with the cost of producing those products. As long as the product "functions," which doesn't necessarily mean it is even of "good" quality, that is enough to justify the costs saved by outsourcing, because profits are increased. There needs to be regulations put in place against outsourcing in my opinion, because as we have seen, the quality is likely to decrease, AND it hurts our economy. I know I HATE talking to a foreigner when on the phone with tech-support, because I can't get anything done, as I can't understand them, and they don't understand me. There is a cultural difference as well, and this leads to nothing but complications. I say keep it national, and enforce this with the law.

Do you really believe big business will reduce their own profit margins ?
Lobor costs have been dropping for years , taxes for big businesses have been dropping for years, where have you seen customer prices drop ? The increase in business profits from lower labor costs and lower taxes goes right in to their pockets, there is no trickle down affect. On top of the fact our dollar buys less.