And the way I feel about this is ALL countries should be allowed to protect/defend themselves from any potential threat. If Russia wants to put up defense systems all the way around their country they should be allowed to and every other country should be allowed to do the same... At the end of the day it wont make a difference if you HAVEa system in place or NOT as long as NO ONE acts stupid and fires that dreadful first shot...

Buid sand castles, defense systems, ice sculptures, mansions, whatever it might be, I honestly dont give two sh*ts, just dont fire at us and we wont fire at you....

It should be that simple

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Expect Poland to be smoked by a few Topol-M's. This anti-missile shield is an act of aggression. Why you say it is aggression? Because having an anti-missile shield defends against retaliatory attack which is the whole purpose of MAD. Now that if one side has a missile shield MAD is not gonna work. I wonder what the US would say if Russia lets say planted missiles in...Oh I don't know Cuba.

We'd say you better bring alot. We're not as weak as we were when JFK was in office and those satellites we have in orbit that can shoot missles down with lasers. Pew pew pew.

Ah, this old subject again. All the US-hating hypocrites love to talk about the U.S. missile shield being "aggressive" because it protects us from a first strike are forgetting that Russia's S300 and S400 missiles create an extremely effective missile shield, capable of protecting themselves from hundreds, if not thousands, of missiles, compared to our shield in Europe which protects *another continent than our own* from a few dozen missiles.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Expect Poland to be smoked by a few Topol-M's. This anti-missile shield is an act of aggression. Why you say it is aggression? Because having an anti-missile shield defends against retaliatory attack which is the whole purpose of MAD. Now that if one side has a missile shield MAD is not gonna work. I wonder what the US would say if Russia lets say planted missiles in...Oh I don't know Cuba.

Don't tell Russia that they could get around this if they had some sort of vessel that could submerge in the ocean and travel to the other side of Europe (or attack from the pacific)...

Second

As I have posted before...the Land sites in Poland were cancelled because they had become obsolete. The Navy SM-3 missle was converted into an ABM as well as a Satellite Killer. This happened rapidly when a breakthrough in High Energy/Longburn Solid fuel was developed and old SM-3 were upraded with this new solid fuel as well as being tied into a Super Computing Aquisition and Targeting system.

This system is very accurate and is a stop gap measure for when the FEL...Free Electron Laser system will be installed on every U.S. Carrier as well as Aegis Cruiser. The FEL will be a true ICMB net and it is not long before it is fully implemented. Split Infinity

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Expect Poland to be smoked by a few Topol-M's.

Topol-M? Are you serious? You are living in a fantasy world. What happens when Poland doesn't get 'smoked'. Russia is not going to undertake any military strike in regards to deployment of the missile shield.

so let me get this straight....

we need to put missle systems on citizens homes. that have anti missle capabilities.
for the 2012 olympic games are happening and we wouldnt want a attack to happen.


ok.

so who are the terrorists?
of course. there not you and me.

do you own a missile?
i dont own a missile.
let alone something to launch it from. do you ? seriously. who owns a f'king missle.
no one on this site owns a missile. i guarantee you. and every missile that was in existence is accountable.

obviously (home made jobs dont count guys lol)
'

back to my question.

so am i understanding this.

somehow. these PEOPLE who build the missile defence on CITIZENS houses know something? what that SOME PEOPLE (that they personally know, pissed off or owe) might use them?

seriously?

so its not the PUBLIC or the SOCIETY. that are real terrorists.

the terrorists own missiles.. so ... lets change this. terrorists word. to "the enemy"

cause clearly you want to engage it right?

so WE cannot possibly be the ENEMY at any point. because we simply do not possess such items.
yet its known somehow that (certain groups of people) do.. and that it could possibly happen.

seriously.
just the other day.
'

A agent from a competitive power company offering me cheaper power than what i am paying now, with some guarantee to shave money off my current bill for x period of time.

I ask this guy straight up...

1) how do you possibly know how much i pay for my power? also how much I use,
and
2) how can you guarantee to continually beat this consistent price that i am currently receiving

I say to the guy.
'
DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING I DONT KNOW?
this what i am thinking (what if the company i am with now, and the future companies i can possibly choose from become merged or brought+closed etc, then there is no comparison to the old price i was paying because it doesnt exist anymore, and furthermore, they are now the only option for power for me so they are free to dictate future costs... after the general X period of time is up)
he looks puzzled.

i repeat. WHY WHATS ABOUT TO HAPPEN? why would you offer me that?

he was so dumbfounded, he couldnt answer my question. his sales pitch was that somehow.that the whole idea of it, is to give us cheaper power? HOW? by this company intentionally losing money to pick up my tab (guaranteed)


THEY KNOW SOMETHING.

they know the crooks.
and they armed them. thats why they are affraid.
how else do i know what my neighbour is building in his back yard... could be anything.

ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW> BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE WHO SOLD HIM THE F'KN THINGS!!!!


is that what is going on?
wwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttt
tttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
HHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
(sorry for language, but this is just absurd)

I feel safer already

Whole west is paranoid. Put missile on my roof so that I can sleep better, yeah sure...

Come on people, isn't it obvious that THE_PROFESSIONAL loves USA and sexy parties (stewie voice)......

Originally posted by ecoparity

A normal air burst is detonated between 5 and 1000 feet. That's well within even the kinetic kill range.

That's incorrect when discussing nuclear weapons. With nukes, a "ground burst" involves the nuclear fireball touching the ground. the radius of that fireball varies with the yield, but I've NEVER heard of one that's 5 feet in diameter. Most strategic nukes start "airburst" at 3000 meters and above. Some tactical nukes can go lower and still be an "air burst", but they are NOT delivered by ICBM

EMP bursts have to be WAY up in order to have effect on a very. wide area at all.

Originally posted by roguetechie
So how about the russians stop working on their missile defenses too?

You do know that every sam since way back when has had a secondary mode for anti ballistic missile defense right?

You also know that the Russians unlike the US also staff and maintain these missile batteries around key installations right?

SO how about the Russkies put away their missile shield and we'll put away ours?

Then it'll be even steven.

As it is the Russkies are just mad that we've taken one option from their quiver of options other than total thermonuclear war off the table.

The reality is this isn't even aimed at the Russians anyway as you and several others have pointed out the Russians have enough missiles to saturate any defense we could hope to put up. Ergo this is not even about the Russians it's about other actors who possess a more limitted but still dangerous number of these missiles. (cough Middle East Cough Korea)

The S-300 is a series of Russian long range surface-to-air missile systems produced by NPO Almaz, all based on the initial S-300P version. The S-300 system was developed to defend against aircraft and cruise missiles for the Soviet Air Defence Forces. Subsequent variations were developed to intercept ballistic missiles. The S-300 was jointly produced by Almaz with Samsung Group of South Korea since 1993.[3]

That's quoted directly from the S300 wiki.... so how about the Russians give up their missile shield first in an act of good faith then maybe we can consider giving up ours.

edit on 21-5-2012 by roguetechie because: Edit to add additional info

The US does not actually disclose their true amount of nuclear weapons and they have only claimed to do such a thing 2 times in history. In addition its also questionable if a government that has lied many times before would be truthful in their true amount of nuclear weapons. Nukes are very precious so i have a hard time believing that the puppet liar obama is being truthful in his statement about US only having 5600 nukes and he is hoping to "lower" that number. They are producing new w-76, they are also building 2 new nuclear weapons facilities in addition they are updating b61-12 is going to be in productions tarting 2017, the list is endless it goes on and on. There also was no budget cuts in the nuclear weapons modernization budget. Take what you hear from the puppets with a grain of salt they have done the exact opposite of what they say. Than the uneducated masses the neo cons the liberals and all the other people fight among-st themselves about if we should have nukes or not.

Neo cons say "we are becoming defenseless" which is not true but they are uneducated most of the time so they believe what they hear.

The liberals say "its a good thing! we dont need to have deterrence, we dont need nukes! everyone can have them but us, if we get attacked so what."

in between people say " we dont need that many! but why is ____ cutting so many? blah blah blah"