What are your favorite 9/11 debunking tactics?

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by maxella1
 


Do you know that the NYFD did a transit on Building 7? That means they used a device which measures minor creeping in a building's frame to check for instability. They discovered that the building was leaning, and they reported this. Does this mean nothing to you?


The FDNY discovered that the building was leaning, and in danger of collapsing. To me it means that the building was leaning and in danger of collapsing which is why the firefighters were ordered to get out of there.

What is your point?




posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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I forgot to post directly on topic so...

My favorite all time 9/11 debunking tactic is to point directly at the person making the "truther"
argument, and then open my mouth wide and make a sort of screaming noise like
Donald Sutherland's character in that movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers.


www.bloodygoodhorror.com...

ps.....this tactic works really well on people who have carried too many items into
the "12 items or less" aisle at the supermarket.....also it works on people who plan on voting
for Mitt Romney
edit on 21-5-2012 by rival because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Ooh, ooh, I got one, My favorite is to find grammatical or punctuation errors and then claim that all credibility is lost.

-rrr



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by NormalBates
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*-You thruthers always parrot the same debunked conspiracy sites!

*- My Brother in law saw the plane hit with his own eyes. Are you saying my brother in law is lying?

*-Oh, not this again, this was debunked a long time ago.

*-I am an experienced pilot bla bla bla...


Your brother did not see an airplane hit WTC7. Nobody did. WTC7 is not claimed to be hit by airplanes EVEN in the OS.

-rrr



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
Truther ;The firemen reported that there were explosions.

Debunker: So now the firemen are in on it too?
edit on 20-5-2012 by maxella1 because: (no reason given)


Ooh ooh, the straw-man argument, That's always a favorite!

-rrr



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
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1. Call all 3000 families and tell them that they are stupid to believe the government 2. Take a trip to any of the 75 FDNY stations that lost someone that day, or better yet stop by Ladder 3 and express your views. (This is for maxella.....)


What makes you so sure that they believe the nonsense told by the government in the first place?

Why don’t you go to the Fire houses and tell them that they are stupid for thinking that the government lied about the ground zero dust?


Do not deflect and bring the horror of sickness caused by 9/11. That is a totally separate issue and very sensitive and has nothing to do with 9/11 debunking. Stay on target, ok?

My family as well as myself contribute to many 9/11 organizations but not the truther movement. Why? Because it is NOT helping the families and victims but it allows speakers to travel and stay in hotels on your dime. 10 years...nothing new. Move on..and stay on target...

Many of us on here had or have friends/family who were there(in city) on 9/11 or even 93 survivors which occurred before some of you posting were even born so, no, your opinion here based on a few web articles about how the people of NY feel means dick to any of them. Trust me. Like I said, go down to a bar and start spewing your garbage. I bet you don't have the cajones.

Every time I go home I make it a point to bust the balls of ANY of those protesting near or off site. You can find them. Usually one guy around 30 with a few college followers..lemmings. I have a blast to be honest because they get so upset in person. On the internets they can hide behind a keyboard but not on a city street in NYC...

Cannot wait to be there next year....



now, back to the program and how about that evidence of explosives?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Truther: There was nano-thermite found in dust samples


Debunker: Nah, that was just red paint! You can totally see the red color! Thus, red paint!

Yeah, red paint alright!



www.benthamscience.com...

www.911blogger.com...



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Merlin Lawndart
Truther: There was nano-thermite found in dust samples


Debunker: Nah, that was just red paint! You can totally see the red color! Thus, red paint!

Yeah, red paint alright!



www.benthamscience.com...

www.911blogger.com...


Looks like you haven't read this paper by Dr J Millette :-

dl.dropbox.com...



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Clown..that is the best you have? Now, to ask you to create a sentence you did not copy and paste from a website would be a stretch that would probably cause a minor stroke for you based on the intense cranial pressure you seem to need to form your responses but I will bite.

Yes, it would be an honor to represent the 3000 who died you and you should respect that even if you have a different opinion on what happened that day. THose people were innocent and should stay that way.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but there is only one truth. That truth is usually the silent majority while all of those who feel they know the answer banter back an forth accomplishing nothing. There is nothing new...


Six years on... www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ten Years on ...www.abovetopsecret.com...

and good reading for any debunker www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Many of us on here had or have friends/family who were there(in city) on 9/11 or even 93 survivors which occurred before some of you posting were even born so, no, your opinion here based on a few web articles about how the people of NY feel means dick to any of them. Trust me. Like I said, go down to a bar and start spewing your garbage. I bet you don't have the cajones.

You tell me who did you loose on 9/11? How did 9/11 effect you and your family personally?
What web articles do you think my opinion is based on?
And what bar should I go to?


My family as well as myself contribute to many 9/11 organizations but not the truther movement. Why? Because it is NOT helping the families and victims but it allows speakers to travel and stay in hotels on your dime. 10 years...nothing new. Move on..and stay on target...

Who do you give your money to and how does it help anybody?


Do not deflect and bring the horror of sickness caused by 9/11. That is a totally separate issue and very sensitive and has nothing to do with 9/11 debunking. Stay on target, ok?

Why don't you want to talk about it? How many first responders believed that the air was safe? Not to say that they wouldn't go there anyway.
How many of them are now sick and dying?
This has a lot to do with it because if they lied about the dust, why wouldn’t they lie about everything else?


Every time I go home I make it a point to bust the balls of ANY of those protesting near or off site. You can find them. Usually one guy around 30 with a few college followers..lemmings. I have a blast to be honest because they get so upset in person. On the internets they can hide behind a keyboard but not on a city street in NYC...


You must feel like a real hero don't you? You people make me sick!



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by NormalBates
reply to post by maxella1
 


*-You thruthers always parrot the same debunked conspiracy sites!

*- My Brother in law saw the plane hit with his own eyes. Are you saying my brother in law is lying?

*-Oh, not this again, this was debunked a long time ago.

*-I am an experienced pilot bla bla bla...


Your brother did not see an airplane hit WTC7. Nobody did. WTC7 is not claimed to be hit by airplanes EVEN in the OS.

-rrr


Are you serious, lol.

1. I was being sarcastic, qouting debunker statements. Did you even get the gist of this thread?

2. I said brother in law.

3. I didn't even refer to WTC7.

4. Practise your reading comprehension skills.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by NormalBates

Still bizarre logic. If people want to show that the impacts didn't cause critical damage, they can use the evidence from the FEMA report. It doesn't even matter if they believe the whole report. It's a piece of evidence from a official source, no matter how you look at it. Your logic is nothing more than sneaky tactics.


So in short you're picking and choosing what you want to be true and what you want to believe is a lie, and all without a microbe of proof to back up either position. What's the difference between that and faith based logic?



So all you are doing is using the sources that are convenient for you. Isn't that the same sort of thing?


Not really, as one of my hobbies is scuba diving, and I've experienced first hand how much power a simple four foot wave has. If being hit by a four foot wave of water feels like being slammed by a brick wall, then logic dictates that thousands of gallons of aviation fuel would act like a wrecking ball on a tube frame structure such as the WTC, causing a chain reaction of fatal damage that won't be fully understood by those who don't take that into consideration.


The fact that there still is no "official story" is telling.


The truthers coining the term "official story" when you're now admitting there IS no single story to be "official" is even more telling.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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I should really stop because you are beginning to really piss me off.

Just one question , where were you on 9/11?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Double post. Sorry.
edit on 21-5-2012 by maxella1 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
Mine are;

*The government is so incompetent that they cannot do anything right.
* It's impossible that they could keep it a secret because so many people had to be involved, somebody would blow the whistle.
* So what if they lied to the people about almost everything they do?
*The only evidence truthers have is YouTube videos.
*They are covering up their incompetents not crimes.

And my favorite of them all is

*Truthers make things up because it's so much more fun to think that it's a government conspiracy.



Yet you believe that not one but two passports morphed through the fireballs flew through the air virtually undamaged, wafted gently down to the ground only to be found amongst millions and millions of papers just by coincidence. . .


Oh and building 7!

Total fail.
edit on 21-5-2012 by tbonethedstroyer because: oopsies



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by NormalBates

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by NormalBates
reply to post by maxella1
 


*-You thruthers always parrot the same debunked conspiracy sites!

*- My Brother in law saw the plane hit with his own eyes. Are you saying my brother in law is lying?

*-Oh, not this again, this was debunked a long time ago.

*-I am an experienced pilot bla bla bla...


Your brother did not see an airplane hit WTC7. Nobody did. WTC7 is not claimed to be hit by airplanes EVEN in the OS.

-rrr


Are you serious, lol.

1. I was being sarcastic, qouting debunker statements. Did you even get the gist of this thread?

2. I said brother in law.

3. I didn't even refer to WTC7.

4. Practise your reading comprehension skills.


Sorry, clearly a case of sarchasm.

And by the way, in reference to #2 see my above comment. It should also include:

-Find a trivial and irrelevant mistake and use it to hurt the credibility of your opponent.

-rrr
edit on 21-5-2012 by rickyrrr because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by ssupp
Lol, my dad used all of those arguments.


The same with my dad. It must be a generational thing. Are we stupid or are they just gullible?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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After rereading his quote, he may have been mistaken as to which tower was which since North Tower had more floors burning than South. He may have mistaken the smoke and flames as having spread farther or he just exaggerated. I did not realize that when one makes an exaggeration it automatically DQs the whole thing.


Seems unlikely he would make that mistake when being questioned afterwards.

Anyways, the poster who claiming that this was false info, which you responded to, was right? That is the point here.

Also don't see 20 floors redding up in the North tower either.



Left side is South Tower


I'm pretty sure the left one is the North tower.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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this thread has confirmed my thoughts regarding 9/11 threads/debates/debunking's and evidence.

most people are not interested in what the truth is, they are more concerned about being on a side and winning an argument and they will make stuff up with little regard or care of what the actual truth is.

neither-side care about the truth, they only care about winning an argument.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by tbonethedstroyer

Originally posted by maxella1
Mine are;

*The government is so incompetent that they cannot do anything right.
* It's impossible that they could keep it a secret because so many people had to be involved, somebody would blow the whistle.
* So what if they lied to the people about almost everything they do?
*The only evidence truthers have is YouTube videos.
*They are covering up their incompetents not crimes.

And my favorite of them all is

*Truthers make things up because it's so much more fun to think that it's a government conspiracy.



Yet you believe that not one but two passports morphed through the fireballs flew through the air virtually undamaged, wafted gently down to the ground only to be found amongst millions and millions of papers just by coincidence. . .


Oh and building 7!

Total fail.
edit on 21-5-2012 by tbonethedstroyer because: oopsies


You think identification documents can never survive horrendous crashes ? Have a look at this video :-

news.bbc.co.uk...





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