What are your favorite 9/11 debunking tactics?

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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It was Israel and it's dual citizens who are responsible. They are the ones who ordered the hit on 3,000+ innocent Americans. Then ousting more young Americans to putting their lives on the line for THEIR issues in the Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.... These guys are tremendous in manipulation with money and threats; this machine started with WW1 and the birth of the FED reserve (that is when the war machine took flight!). Anyone who blew or thought about blowing the whistle, don't; because death of themselves or family members would be almost instantaneous.

It is up to the regular average Joe to recognize their mistakes. Share information. And get this information to the appropriate channel.

AS SOON AS THIS IS OUT AND EVIDENCE IS COMPILED AND PRESENTED to the ENTIRE know world - is the day that would mark world peace. Or atleast the closest we come to it in almost 100 yrs.




posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Why is it about tactics and debunking like it is a sophomoric debate?

Why hasn't it been resolved via physics in TEN YEARS? Isn't Newtonian Physics 300 years old?

Shouldn't 90% of the physicists come down on one side or the other and explain it in detail, whatever their conclusion?

But no, it looks like most of the physics profession has run away from this and simply says nothing. I have been trying to find controversies in physics with Google. It looks like 9/11 is not really on the radar screen of physicists. I guess they couldn't hit a building if they tried.

Of course if most physicists said there is no way airliners could have destroyed the towers that would raise all kinds of hell. It might affect their funding. The government is in a budget cutting mood.

psik



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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You think he is being upbeat about WTC 7's prospects ?? Doesn't he say at 0.11 " it's definitely going down ". Not entirely clear I grant you but there is no doubt from the rest of what he says that he doesn't give the building any hope of survival. www.youtube.com...


All the Firemen testimony that I could find say that it was in danger of collapsing because of the damage and fire which wasn’t seen from the north side. But non of them say that they expected the whole building completely collapsing at once. All of the surrounding buildings that had debris damage were in danger of collapsing but none of them collapsed like WTC 7 did.

Once again I believe what the firemen are saying and I will believe them if they say that a COMPLETE collapse was expected based on the damage and fire. They are the professionals you know.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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There is no 9/11 debunking tactic as there is nothing to debunk. Same links to the same websites to the same people who have a theory but no proof. Here are few things each 'truther' should do


1. Call all 3000 families and tell them that they are stupid to believe the government
2. Take a trip to any of the 75 FDNY stations that lost someone that day, or better yet stop by Ladder 3 and express your views. (This is for maxella.....)
3. Provide ONE piece of physical evidence that the WTC collapsed due to explosives. REAL evidence, not dust or theories. Proof...
4. Apply for fellowship at NIST since you are all so smart and 'learned' in Physics

Because at the core, this is what you are debating. How can the government be so inept yet pull this off?

To address the main thoeries of the why, Do you think it is not easier to hide billions of dollars in assets or to try to collapse 3 buildings as well as attack the Pentagon(how does this apply to WTC7) and don't forget about the one that was sho...err....crashed in Pennsylvania. Really? What were they hiding? Nothing, if anything it was simply buried. Common sense folks.

Go to war? There was a UN resolution already in place? WMD's,,,UN resolution not 9/11. For oil? Yeah, it is reaaaaaal cheap now. Must have been for oil.

9/11 was not a pretense for us but a strike against us for the foreign policy already in place. Do you not see that The US did not need 9/11 but if some used it for gain that is political but not admittance of guilt.

As far as why has no one stepped forward from the scientific community? There are videos and links to Stanford/BYU as well as NIST and others that explain it. How can all of these instituions be incorrect but web warriors are with thier washers. No one where should need such a simple example to discuss. It is simple.

Where are the explosives????
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Why is it about tactics and debunking like it is a sophomoric debate?

Why hasn't it been resolved via physics in TEN YEARS? Isn't Newtonian Physics 300 years old?

Shouldn't 90% of the physicists come down on one side or the other and explain it in detail, whatever their conclusion?

But no, it looks like most of the physics profession has run away from this and simply says nothing. I have been trying to find controversies in physics with Google. It looks like 9/11 is not really on the radar screen of physicists. I guess they couldn't hit a building if they tried.

Of course if most physicists said there is no way airliners could have destroyed the towers that would raise all kinds of hell. It might affect their funding. The government is in a budget cutting mood.

psik


You know that these people will change the laws of physics and lie about anything in order find excuses for the criminals. They got the government on their side.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Only1King
reply to post by maxella1
 


It was Israel and it's dual citizens who are responsible. They are the ones who ordered the hit on 3,000+ innocent Americans. Then ousting more young Americans to putting their lives on the line for THEIR issues in the Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.... These guys are tremendous in manipulation with money and threats; this machine started with WW1 and the birth of the FED reserve (that is when the war machine took flight!). Anyone who blew or thought about blowing the whistle, don't; because death of themselves or family members would be almost instantaneous.

It is up to the regular average Joe to recognize their mistakes. Share information. And get this information to the appropriate channel.

AS SOON AS THIS IS OUT AND EVIDENCE IS COMPILED AND PRESENTED to the ENTIRE know world - is the day that would mark world peace. Or atleast the closest we come to it in almost 100 yrs.


The evidence is out and has been for a long time. Most of the world knows it. It's these f*****g debunkers who makes Americans look like morons to the rest of the world. Real people know that everything we are told about 9/11 is not true.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by 4hero


Wow, you still hugging onto the fuel theory! Judging by your 'assumptions' you know little about the behaviour of jet fuel, and the role it played that day.

You lot are the 'truthers' you are clinging onto what you feel was the true story, but in reality, not many people actually believe that yarn anymore.


Can you please start acting like an adult rather than an ignorant child?

What did I say? Fire likes to spread towards more areas where there is more fuel. As in, fuel for the fire, ie: paper, wood, plastics, rags, people, office supplies, desks, chairs, flammable materials. That kind of fuel. Geeze I thought that was obvious in the context I provided. I guess I need to resort to sock puppets to explain simple things that adults should know or at least be aware of.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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1. Call all 3000 families and tell them that they are stupid to believe the government 2. Take a trip to any of the 75 FDNY stations that lost someone that day, or better yet stop by Ladder 3 and express your views. (This is for maxella.....)


What makes you so sure that they believe the nonsense told by the government in the first place?

Why don’t you go to the Fire houses and tell them that they are stupid for thinking that the government lied about the ground zero dust?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
All the Firemen testimony that I could find say that it was in danger of collapsing because of the damage and fire which wasn’t seen from the north side. But non of them say that they expected the whole building completely collapsing at once. All of the surrounding buildings that had debris damage were in danger of collapsing but none of them collapsed like WTC 7 did.

Once again I believe what the firemen are saying and I will believe them if they say that a COMPLETE collapse was expected based on the damage and fire. They are the professionals you know.


This makes no sense. You accept that the firefighters really did expect a collapse, and observed a lot of damage and fire on the building's South side, where it was impacted. Then, you turn around and say, "b-b-b-but the North side! It was undamaged! And the building collapsed in a way that nobody expected!"

So now it's not "nobody expected the building to collapse." It's now "nobody expected the building to collapse in that way."

It's a flimsy and stupid argument. You should be able to see it, but somehow you're staying ignorant.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by Alfie1
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More confirmation that complete collapse of WTC 7 anticipated :-

www.youtube.com...


lol, BBC also anticipated the collapse.


lol all you want but she is not expressing her opinion. She says she has been told by " several different officers " that WTC 7 is "going down next ".


But she didn't say it was going to completely collapse. Stop lying !


I am sure you are intelligent enough to be aware how pathetic that sounds. " Going down next " is quite different from "completely collapse" is it ? Any pursuit of truth going on here ?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
You know that these people will change the laws of physics and lie about anything in order find excuses for the criminals. They got the government on their side.


No, the laws of physics never change. You guys just keep interpreting them differently. There is no law that says "A building cannot collapse quickly due to damage and fire."

Look it up if you don't believe me. That law does not exist. Engineers have come on this board and called the truthers stupid for believing these things, and I have talked to engineering students at my university. It's really hard to find anyone who believes the 9/11 conspiracy, because it requires an abandonment of logic in order to hold the belief.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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1. Call all 3000 families and tell them that they are stupid to believe the government 2. Take a trip to any of the 75 FDNY stations that lost someone that day, or better yet stop by Ladder 3 and express your views. (This is for maxella.....) 3. Provide ONE piece of physical evidence that the WTC collapsed due to explosives. REAL evidence, not dust or theories. Proof... 4. Apply for fellowship at NIST since you are all so smart and 'learned' in Physics


You are the funniest clown of them all.
You represent the 3000 Families, and all the firefighters, hah?
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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I am sure you are intelligent enough to be aware how pathetic that sounds. " Going down next " is quite different from "completely collapse" is it ? Any pursuit of truth going on here ?

Do you not understand that there is a difference?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
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I am sure you are intelligent enough to be aware how pathetic that sounds. " Going down next " is quite different from "completely collapse" is it ? Any pursuit of truth going on here ?

Do you not understand that there is a difference?


Do you not understand that they expected the building to collapse? Who gives a crap how, if it was known that the building was unstable. NIST already explained why it collapsed the way it did, but you reject their explanation on the basis that you can't personally believe it.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by NormalBates
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Did you even look at a photo of the WTCs burning?


Can you provide the pics of the South tower burning and "redding up" on at least 20 floors?

Thank you.



After rereading his quote, he may have been mistaken as to which tower was which since North Tower had more floors burning than South. He may have mistaken the smoke and flames as having spread farther or he just exaggerated.
I did not realize that when one makes an exaggeration it automatically DQs the whole thing.


Left side is South Tower

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Do you know that the NYFD did a transit on Building 7? That means they used a device which measures minor creeping in a building's frame to check for instability. They discovered that the building was leaning, and they reported this. Does this mean nothing to you?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Once upon a time....

...there was a powerful country called America. America was supposed to be ruled by the many
millions of people that lived there, but in truth, America was controlled by only a few, very rich, very,
very, evil men.

Now these men wanted war (because they made ALOT of money off of war,) but they knew the
American people would never go for it. So they looked around and decided to make a big, huge,
fake an attack on America that ALL the people could see and all the people could be really mad
about.

So they came up with a plan. They decided to find some really smart men to teach some really crazy
men how to make an attack on America that would be really big. They decided to make the
attack on two of the world's largest buildings.

So these smart men gave these crazy men the idea to fly BIG airplanes into the buildings and knock
them down. But what they didn't expect was that they were many more crazy men, so they also
decided to attack other buildings as well.

The rich evil men, and the really smart men were very happy when they saw that all the crazy men
were learning to fly airplanes. And they were really happy when they found out what day and
time the crazy men would fly their planes into the buildings because they knew that America had
strong defenses against attacks like they had planned.

So the really rich men told one of the King's of America to make sure to not defend America on that
day. And so the King went and created this really sneaky, but smart, plan to make it seem like the
attack wasn't really an attack at all, and he flew all of his fighting planes far away, so that America
wouldn't be defended.

And then the attack happened and it was nearly perfect. Three out of four buildings that the really evil
men wanted to fall down did fall down. But because there were some really strong men on one of the
planes who didn't want to be part of an attack they fought against the really crazy men and made the
plane crash in a field.

So you would think that these really rich evil men would have a problem because one of the
buildings didn't fall down. But in reality they had already made plans for that. You see these buildings
they wanted to make fall down were made to be REALLY strong, and they knew that to knock them
down they would more than just planes. So the really rich men told the really smart men to
put little bombs in place that nobody would know about....and that is what the smart men
did. The used these really special little smart bombs that would heat up really hot and make
the main beams that held up the building almost melt away, so that when they wanted too they
could make the WHOLE building fall all at once. And that is what happened.

So in the end these really rich really evil men, got to have their war because everyone in America
was really mad. And because everybody was really, really mad there were also able to pass laws
that could make anyone who didn't believe what they said look like a bad guy, and they could take
this bad guy and kill him, or torture him, or do anything they wanted with him because the new law
said they could...

And so all the people were afraid and they did everything they were told, and gave the rich evil men
all of their money and let them tell them what to do for the rest of their lives.


.....and all the rich, evil men lived happily ever-after
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
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You think he is being upbeat about WTC 7's prospects ?? Doesn't he say at 0.11 " it's definitely going down ". Not entirely clear I grant you but there is no doubt from the rest of what he says that he doesn't give the building any hope of survival. www.youtube.com...


All the Firemen testimony that I could find say that it was in danger of collapsing because of the damage and fire which wasn’t seen from the north side. But non of them say that they expected the whole building completely collapsing at once. All of the surrounding buildings that had debris damage were in danger of collapsing but none of them collapsed like WTC 7 did.

Once again I believe what the firemen are saying and I will believe them if they say that a COMPLETE collapse was expected based on the damage and fire. They are the professionals you know.


This sounds pretty ridiculous. They expected it to collapse, but not a total collapse? They expected it to fall but not totally fall? What the hell was it suppose to do? Fall a little, stop, rest, then fall a little lower. Stop. Rest. Then fall a little bit more? Its gonna fall! But slowly and a little bit.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by maxella1
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I am sure you are intelligent enough to be aware how pathetic that sounds. " Going down next " is quite different from "completely collapse" is it ? Any pursuit of truth going on here ?

Do you not understand that there is a difference?


No, please explain the difference.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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The truth for one.
get it ...truth....that's a good one.(sarcasm)

umero two oh.





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