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The Encyclopædia Britannica states, "To some Christians the doctrine of the Trinity appeared inconsistent with the unity of God....They therefore denied it, and accepted Jesus Christ, not as incarnate God, but as God's highest creature by Whom all else was created..
Those are very interesting points, Windword.
Originally posted by HardToStarboard
Here's an interesting article on LDS and Arianism. Previous to reading it I really thought they leaned toward Arian thought, but this seems to refute that notion.
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by HardToStarboard
Those are very interesting points, Windword.
They are, in fact, a summary of another Christian heresy, known as Socinianism.
The do-it-yourself flavour of American Protestantism means that most American Protestants are not actually Christians at all, but heretics of one kind or another. They're all going to Hell, especially if they vote Republican.
The Act allowed freedom of worship to Nonconformists who had pledged to the oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy and rejected transubstantiation, i.e., Protestants who dissented from the Church of England such as Baptists and Congregationalists but not to Catholics. Nonconformists were allowed their own places of worship and their own teachers, if they accepted certain oaths of allegiance.
I believe Jesus is God in the flesh. remember the name "Immanuel" God with us? He was God incarnate. He always existed and was the word before he came flesh. I believe God to be a 3 part being like we are a 3 part being spirit,mind,body - Father,Son,Holy Ghost. I know its hard to compute but, its one of those things we have to take by faith.
So are you saying that one has to Catholic to be true Christian?
The Nicene Creed has been normative for the Anglican Church, the Church of the East, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox churches, the Roman Catholic Church including the Eastern Catholic Churches, the Old Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church and many Protestant denominations, forming the eponymous mainstream definition of Christianity itself in Nicene Christianity. Source
Under the definition of the Nicene Creed the Gnostics weren't Christians either then.
"The Tolerance Act" of 1689 redefined who may call themselves Christians without persecution.
Believing in a certain dogma doesn't make one a Christian. Living a Christlike life does.
All Christians agree that it is belief in the divinity of Christ and the saving power of his sacrifice that fundamentally defines a Christian. You, plainly, are not one, however you may protest otherwise; the case is closed. Instead of arguing with me, think about what it means. This could be Liberation Day for you; didn't Jesus say the truth would set you free?
What's your motive here?
The truth is that the God's Word is the authority on the matter, not you, certainly not self important men and their isms'.
Being a Christian is not buying a praise Jesus CD for $9.95 or driving around with a fish symbol on your car or wearing a symbol of death around your neck. It does not mean supporting an organization more concerned with politics and money than they are with feeding Christ's sheep.
Being a Christian, means doing, etc., etc.
Catholic vs. Gnostic
The largest one of the smaller branches was by far the Gnostics (Gnostic is based on the Greek root word gnosis meaning knowledge). They were far and away the largest Christian-based religion under the Catholics. The Gnostic Church based its religion on the love and teachings of Jesus trying to emphasize knowledge and learning about God , where the Catholics based theirs on faith, the resurrection, and obedience to God in a much more familiar way to the Jewish beliefs to begin with.
The Influence of the Council of Nicea
Finding that the new religion was also branched into different denominations that also disagreed on very major levels, he ordered the Council of Nicea to happen in 325 AD. What happened next was a political move. To make sure the two major denominations were represented, Constantine ordered 318 members to attend from both the Catholics and the Gnostics. The count was 306 Catholics and 12 Gnostics. The Catholics made all of the decisions and ordered the Gnostics, all of their members, and all of their sacred writings to be destroyed. Since the winners write the history books, and the Catholics now had the same army that had been killing them for hundreds of years now behind them, Gnosticisms faded off until today after archeological findings have brought their works back to life.
The Council of Nicea also decided much of the dogma of the Catholic religion that we still have to this day. With opposition out of the way it was much easier to get beliefs of Jesus as God incarnate and the belief of Hell passed into the doctrines we have today.
Originally posted by windword
Christianity can't be defined simply by boxing people's experiences and convictions into 2 boxes, Catholic or Protestant.
You say you're an atheist, yet you seem to promote the Catholic Church's viewpoint.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
You do realize that the Council of Nicaea in itself is a religious fraud and conspiracy