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Bin Laden died of natural causes: Former CIA agent

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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 10:49 PM
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What type of kidney failure did the REAL ObL have all those many years ago? Was it DOUBLE kidney failure? There's a video of the undeniably REAL guy that was made in December, 2001 where he looked extremely yellow-jaundiced, entirely sickly (though laughing and happy). What's the survival rate of THAT advanced state of kidney disease? Did he get a transplant? Is a transplant even possible when BOTH kidneys give out, if that's what ihappened in bin Laden's case SO MANY YEARS AGO? Sorry I haven't yet read the original news article or all the posts if any of those questions have been TRULY answered, without any purely emotional opinion resulting from the US Spookocracy-Big Brother propaganda machine.




posted on May, 20 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08
Wow..... PressTV, the official Iranian News Network suddenly has a CIA agent that's talking to them and them alone? Why does this smell of disinformation/Distraction?



No, seems legit. It is just as useful to the CIA to tell the truth, to divide the people who believe the official news from the ones who know better. I mean, we can't say for sure, but I know poop when I smell it. He was dead long before, or he's still alive. I guess dead.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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I forget the ladies name -- but she was the ambassador from Pakistan. She let slip on Charlie Road's show that Bin Laden died in December of 2012.

So maybe it was all staged -- who knows? It seems like SOMEONE could have had a video-feed and blur out soldier's faces -- and take OBL into custody to PROVE all the crimes he did.

But if you cannot prove guilt, or you cannot kill a dead man - well, then I think the raid and the few photos we found would be EXACTLY what I'd expect after 9/11 farce.

>> However, Kudos to Obama for killing this bogey man -- because George Bush kept his ghost alive to justify his security theater.

Regardless of whether OBL died 11 years ago or not -- I'm looking forward to 911expertsspeakout.org video coming out very soon. This should FINALLY be conclusive evidence conducted by independent scientists and engineers to be the one video to educate those who at least can keep an open mind. Conspiracy theorists didn't laden the air of New York with aluminum and iron micro dust to fool everyone after all.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Bin Laden died of natural causes: Former CIA agent


www.presstv.ir

He says the bodyguard disclosed to the US the exact place of burial in the mountains.

“There was no assault. I know the American operations from the inside: they find the grave, dig out bin Laden and tell everyone about this. They need to show how technologically the security services worked, how each step was controlled, and then present it as a great victory to show that taxpayers are not paying taxes for nothing,” he said.
(visit the link for the full news article)



this article is bull crap. Osama's wife who are captured are actress as well?
edit on 20-5-2012 by roche because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by daynight42

Originally posted by vkey08
Wow..... PressTV, the official Iranian News Network suddenly has a CIA agent that's talking to them and them alone? Why does this smell of disinformation/Distraction?



No, seems legit. It is just as useful to the CIA to tell the truth, to divide the people who believe the official news from the ones who know better. I mean, we can't say for sure, but I know poop when I smell it. He was dead long before, or he's still alive. I guess dead.


Well -- it's no stranger than the CIA sending FUNDS to a branch of Al Qaeda that conducts terrorist acts in Iran.

Can't be sure if the source is legit or not -- but it's not like the "legit sources" have a reputation for telling the truth either. The propagandists are victims of their own success.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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So you dont believe the CIA or any other government agency, but when crack pot agent says something you want to hear you believe it? That makes lot of sense.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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Hes a whistle blower who is exposing them; he is seeing things clearly for the first time.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:18 AM
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You guys need to stop this silliness!!! Haven't we learned from 911 and the birth certificate that we should not question what is told to us? I am going to nickname you deather's and call you crazy. Just because there were fake Bin Laden videos by the CIA over the last couple of years ( admitted by the CIA), he had kidney failure and lived longer than anyone in the history of that disease, and they threw the body overboard into the sea. They say that we would not be able to handle seeing the pictures of his lifeless body? What about the burned men hanging from a bridge, or the decapitations with a knife stuck in the man's eye? See you guys have got me to talking silly.......it is contagious....I can't be a deather tooo....noooo say it ain't soooo......just wait before you know it we will be protesting NATO in the streets and we will get billy clubbed up side our heads .....oh wait that is already happening......What??? oh....... the police said it was just a few NATOers but everyone knows they are crazy, right?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by travisirius
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If Bin Laden died during the Bush Admin. there is no way his ego wouldn't take credit for killing him. Why would the Republicons leave this prize for the Dems. Don't say they were sure McCain would win because that's stupider than thinking Palin is competent.


Why would they announce his death shortly after 9/11? They needed us to think he was alive for this long. He's the boogeyman. He's why we willingly give up our freedoms. Your assessment makes no sense. Don't get hung up on Reps vs. Dems. This issue, at least, would logically have been handled by the powers that rest above and behind the left/right paradigm.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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Hes a whistle blower who is exposing them; he is seeing things clearly for the first time.


So hes a whistle blower when its something you want to here ? If another CIA agent says the opposite of what you want to heat hes a disinfo agent. Gottcha



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by faryjay

Originally posted by Zarniwoop





This picture always makes me smile, coz Obama (The President) seems to be a nobody sat on a small chair in a corner whereas Hillary and crew seem more in power! He just seems like a janitor there who by chance walked in and just sat down quietly!



That scene struck me as very odd.

As a 12 year navy vet The commanding officers chair was never sat in by any one but the CO.

We held training countless times in the ward room of the CO but the CO's chair was ALWAYS off limits, just in case he decided to join our training, and out of respect...that is his chair.

Why is the Commander in chief sitting off to the side and not in the center chair..the obvious position of power?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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Hes a whistle blower who is exposing them; he is seeing things clearly for the first time.


So he blows the whistle in Iran? Which, just happens to be one of the few places left where Bin Laden is propped up as some kind of hero (despite his complete incompetence as a terrorist, military leader and sheik).

There is a lot of disnfo / bad info floating around about Bin Laden and even people here on ATS are constantly quoting "facts" about him that are completely false. Bin Laden suffered from Addison's disease, a defect of the adrenal gland. I've found no factual information that he was in kidney failure and required dialysis on an ongoing basis.

And, we're supposed to believe that somehow Al Qaeda managed to pull of the 9/11 attacks (among others) when Bin Laden and his group were seen as a complete joke by the Afghan fighters they hoped to join during the Soviet occupation. On numerous occasions, Afghan commanders would take the weapons and supplies from Bin Laden's fighters and send the Arabs back to Pakistan on buses rather than allow them to fight. The only thing Bin Laden was good at was spending his families money supporting Islamic terror groups. Even his own partners tried numerous times to set him up to be killed and the use of a courier known to be under observation by the US was the final, successful act of betrayal by Zawahiri.

Here's what I'd like to know - Bin Laden brought his 4 wives and his dozen children to the compound in Pakistan to be with him. They did not travel using false passports and surely the NSA / CIA, etc would have been watching them, right? How is it possible for his entire family to travel to the compound using public airlines (not private jets, Bin Laden's preferred method of travel) and no one noticed?

Based on my research and the confidences of close friends and relatives who participated in Neptune Spear, I believe Bin Laden was indeed killed in the compound as reported. I do not, however believe that US and other intelligence services had no clue where he was all that time. It's publicly admitted that the ISI not only knew he was there, high level members sometimes visited him at the compound. It's obvious to me we knew right where to find him and for whatever reason, elections, a new deal with a new leader for AQ, etc - the time to kill the witch had come and the use of the blown courier just provided a decent explanation of how he was found.

I know Pakistan has some pretty radical Muslims in the ISI but I find it very hard to believe not even one them would want to collect that 25 million bounty on Bin Laden's head.
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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Really the Obama Admin? These people are more believable than Obamas CNN




Well,you might have a point there,but............

Seriously? PressTV..???

Your fishing,and the Skipper's at the wheel...................



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Bin Laden died of natural causes: Former CIA agent


www.presstv.ir

He says the bodyguard disclosed to the US the exact place of burial in the mountains.

“There was no assault. I know the American operations from the inside: they find the grave, dig out bin Laden and tell everyone about this. They need to show how technologically the security services worked, how each step was controlled, and then present it as a great victory to show that taxpayers are not paying taxes for nothing,” he said.
(visit the link for the full news article)



Many knew and were suspicious about that man's supposed demise. I read in a book about the NSA that one of the treats the organization had for special guests was letting listeners hear Bin Laden chat with his mother on the phone. If they can trace the man's phone conversations then they can certainly trace where he's located.

One of the saddest and most pathetic scenes I ever saw was seeing people celebrating on the streets after learning of Bin Laden's death on tv. Truly pathetic, one would think that the masses would be much smarter and more cynical on their government than that. The public are truly sheep and they deserve the govt. they get.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."


haha in true extremist fashion

yalalalalala!!!



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by gorgi
 


Hes a whistle blower who is exposing them; he is seeing things clearly for the first time.


You are aware, I hope, that "presstv" is Iranian.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:09 AM
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You are I hope aware the CNN is American



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:55 AM
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Okay let me get this straight.....The only news in the world that can be trusted is the news that is from a listeners country or ally .....because we all know that news coverage is NEVER ever biased and never reflects the opinions of the presenting country only.

Is the story from press tv correct....heck...who really knows....but the point is......THERE ARE CONFLICTING stories going on....so one could conclude that all the stories are false until proven otherwise.....so what this really means is that the evidence is inconclusive which many people on here and other places have come to that conclusion themselves.

We are in the dark the Joe public....We get spoon fed stories which are....here it comes....Propaganda So we have propaganda from state side....Osama is dead......We have propaganda from the Iranian side ....Osama is dead.....Okay so from this we conclude.....Osama is dead......

Now the true problem here seems to be when........and also we have the why.......but the biggest question is of course....by WHO.

as we know the picture which could be of anything.....it is like taking a photo of the person pointing at the UFO instead of the UFO itself.

the US wont release the footage of the attack....so what does this mean....To me it means they have something to hide....it means the mission was messed....also as was said we got pictures of Ghadafi...we had pics of Saddams sons......but no pic of Osama........Interesting to say the least isn't it.

The only thing yet again that can be drawn from this senario.......





These folks are dead......



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:11 AM
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How, and when Mr. Usama Bin Ladin died, is unimportant. It is completely irrelevant for us here in the west.

You need to get on track here ...

UBL was a CIA asset. The CIA used this man against the Soviet Union, during Afghan war there. Now, think this carefully over, the Soviet Union was in Afghanistan ... now the US of A is.

DOING THE BLOODY SAME THING

During the Soviet Union, we all felt bad for the poor Taliban. But now, suddenly it is ok to murder civilians and these camel riders, because it's the USA and not the Soviet?!?!?!?!?!

The USA used UBL, to focus their ability against the Soviet Union, and again to focus their ability to create an enemy to identify for the public. We've all been saying, that UBL was dead from day 1.

What is important to get your hands on, and to investigate ... IS THE FACT THAT AL QAIDA IS FIGHTING ALONG SIDE NATO. Syria, Lybia, Iraq ... Al Qaida show up. Al Jazeera ... is a CIA front line TV, in the middle east.

And if you bother to listen to UBL, you'll hear that this guy has the EXACT same notion as GWB. UBL is a man, with a conviction, who sacrifices himself because he is fighting for the future of Arab nations. Mr UBL and his followers wanted, and still want, people like Saddam Hussein, Lybias president, Mubarak and Syrias president (whatever his name is) out of the way. Because these men, represent the "modernisation" of the muslim world. These men, represent the non-religious fanatic part, of the arab world. They are the same side of the fence on religion, as we "lutherians" are in christianity.

The United States, is fighting the modern part of the middle east, and supporting Saudi Arabia ... and even if the US of A says it opposes IRAN, it's a blatant lie. Iran is making headways, such headways it could never make without the direct aid and support of the US.

The US vs. Iran is just like US vs. the Soviet Union ... now the United States is doing what the Soviet Union failed to do ... take hold of Afghanistan. THEY HAVE THE SAME OBJECTIVE.

The US vs. Iran is just like US vs. China. There are more NASA facilities in China, then there are in the US. China has the same medical care as the US does, and does not follow suit with Europe socialistic views. Every American company is represented in China, and there are more Wall Marts in China, than the US.

These guys aren't enemies, their talk ... is just talk, ruse ... and it's blown out of proportions in the media, while it has no real relevence in reality.

These guys aren't fighting each other, their only arguement is HOW TO SQUASH THE OTHERS. So, yesterday the Soviet Union squashed the Afghani people ... today, it's the US that does. Same objective. In both cases, UBL is a central figure.

Why on earth do you think, Iran is still standing ... and Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Egypt are all going down. While Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and all the "hard line muslim fanatic nations", seem to be thriving.

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