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There Are LOADS Of Jobs Out There, But NONE Of Them Pay Living Wages!

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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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It's not about how much is earned but how it's spent so don't expect the outside world to bend to make you happy unless you also bend to make IT happy.

Get real and realise you are complaining about what most of the world has lived with since the year dot...."us" and "them" and never enough of what someone else has.

Change your head, not your job, or suck it up and don't complain about your choice.




posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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I happen to agree. I get called lazy quite often by my family and accused of faking a tumor in my brain that narcolepsy because they can't see and because my doctor didn't have the sense to take me off the road. Just because he didn't have brains in his head, doesn't mean I don't use mine. I'm on disability for a reason. Because of the narco, I'm only qualified to work an hour a day according to VESSID a work program up in NY state. Who in their right mind is going to hire someone for only one hour? No one.

To complicate things I have a rod implantation on my spine that this country stopped using two months after it was placed on my spine. This country stopped using it because it breaks in the patient severing the spine paralyzing the patient. I was given the option of either leaving it in my back causing neuropathic pain or risk paralysis having surgery removing the rod and risk it again putting a new one in. Well, gee, when the choices sound so good. Risk it by living, or risk it by removing and risk it again putting in a new one. Ummmmm, I'll take door number one. I take 5 different migraine medications, 3 daily, for the tumor alone. One I absolutely hate taking because it is a shot in the abdomen. 3 of them cause drowsiness. I take 3-5 different pain medications, 3 of which cause drowsiness. If I were to not take the daily migraine medication and pain medication to try and work during the day I would return home hunched over in pain and not be able to return to a standing position until I received a pain shot from the ER. I know this, because I tried to "power" through it once. Will never do that again.

The problem is I LOVE working. 15 years ago I worked 2 different jobs. In college I had 4 at one time and going to school. The way my brain is, I MUST keep busy at all times. My daughter is autistic and severe ADHD. I call her The Hummingbird. She's just like me. She goes from flower to flower to flower. It kills me right now to not be working. And it depresses me to hear my family bash me when they think I don't hear. But what can you do?





Originally posted by dreamseeker
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Just because someone is not working or is not working enough does not make them lazy. What is people's obsession with thinking people are lazy?

We all have unique situations that put us where we are at in life. Welfare is never a choice; not every benefit is welfare though, Social Security and Social Security Disablity is not welfare nor is medicare; we all pay into those systems. Furthermore; unemployment is not welfare since in order to get it you had to have worked in the recent past.
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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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15 years ago I started my own business. I didn’t have many customers, in fact my biggest customer accounted for about 95% of my income. I made them a priority and lost some customers because of them.

Recently this company sold a subsidiary to a private investment group on the condition they would start doing the work that I provided. I was told I could still work just as before if I gave them 40% of my invoice totals. I would still have the same expenses. I have over $100000 invested in equipment and inventory. I told them no thanks.

I am trying to rebuild my business. It has taken 5 months to earn what I used to make in a week. Starting your own business is easier said than done. Even with 30 years in this field it is hard to rebuild what I had.

I loved the work I did but I couldn’t become a slave just so the rich could get richer. Some of the investors in this company include jp morgan & goldman sachs the same ones my tax dollars bailed out. Just so you know I'm not on any government assistance but Im still waiting for my bailout. Who do i have to bribe I mean lobby.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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I bet all of you jobless were the same ones who shopped at Wal-Mart, drive Toyotas or Hondas, and buy imported name brands.

I am curious as to what sectors of employment the majority here have been in and what types of education (college, university etc) they have acquired through these massive student loans.

Unfortunately a little foresight and risk management is required in the real-world and a degree in psychology or related field is not exactly a solid investment.

Where I live, the ratio of teachers per available position is 500-1. Not good odds. People need to understand market forces, and acquire skills that cannot be out-sourced or skills in fields where there is demand. Internationalist thinking is needed now.

We now live in a global economy whether we like it or not. Free trade agreements have sold us all out years ago.

We must now adapt, innovate, and change with this new reality.

Unfortunately too many services or jobs, do nothing to really add to the productivity of the nation. Too many people are glorified paper pushers, and REAL work is a foreign notion.

Just because you have a little piece of paper from a glorified socialist institution does not mean you understand how the world truly works.

This is why many of you have failed. Your cozy little view of the world and the systems you thought existed to benefit you and were espoused in the left-wing colleges, turned against you.

If you cannot find someone to PAY you for what you can offer, you better find something you CAN offer to society.

If not, there are billions of others out there who are willing to take your place.

This is the goal of the NWO. Globalism, equal distribution, and a two class system. Instead of crying about things, we need to develop a way to guard against this movement. Unfortunately, this ideal has infiltrated the very basis of our education systems and people are left wondering what the heck happened?


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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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After nearly four years just got a job last month
Great pay but crappy hours. Had to sell my soul and join the teamsters union to boot, thing is most people wouldn't be able to do the job because it's work! Hefting heavy cases of beverages onto pallets and climbing onto machines to fix their screw ups! Way too many folks expect to work in a office these days when you can't afford to be fussy.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by mamabeth
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I hear you and I really want to do my part and buy american
made products.Where can you buy american made products?



we have a local farmers market that sells produce & offers products 3 days of the week

2 years ago during the electric vehicle push by government (with a $5k rebate), i went ahead and bought a Low-Speed-Vehicle (LSV) that is licensed for city driving ...
the vehicle was made in Greenville SC and that was my main buying point... it is manufactured in SC and was sold by a local. Myrtle Beach dealer.

surplus stores are another spot to find many domestic made items


One just has to look around



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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I bet all of you jobless were the same ones who shopped at Wal-Mart, drive Toyotas or Hondas, and buy imported name brands.


What the hell does one have to do with the other?


So if I buy at Wal-Mart, it's my fault I'm unemployed? The fortune 500 environmental company I worked for somehow got wind I bought goods from out of country and fired me? Or are you saying it is karma?

Some of the posts from some of you people are beyond moronic.

I got laid off because a new CTO who became CIO thought it would be neat to implement a phone support, warm-transfer system. Sucks for employees - supposedly will save a few bucks. And wants to make waves since he just started. THAT is why I was RIF'd. Not because of where I shop. Some of you "you are lazy lol / you buy imported goods so that's why you were fired" people really tic me off.
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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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By trade, I am an Occupational Therapist. While implementing the therapy; I grew fond of computers and had the opportunity to get into a helpdesk position helping end users resolve their computer related problem. The pay wasn’t all that great at first, but I worked my way up the latter and before I knew it, I was making close to a $100k a year. I loved I.T. so much, that I eventually let the Occupational Therapy go. I even started my own computer/networking consulting business.

Of course like many others, I got laid off from my position, and when I tried to find something else, there was nothing. When I tried to get back into the O.T., there was nothing available there as well.

So there I was thinking to myself…”What in the hell am I going to do”? Of course I did pretty much what everyone else was doing, standing in line applying for unemployment benefits. It certainly wasn’t what I was used to monetarily, but it did give me some time to reevaluate my life.

I think the biggest problem people have, is not thinking ahead. I had saved up about a $150,000, which gave me more than enough time to get myself back into the swing of things. I did collect unemployment for about 6 months. While collecting, I was searching for whatever I could. I did find some employment opportunities. I delivered pizza and also did some warehouse dock work. I think people have a hard time wanting to work those kinds of positions. Especially after working in a field that paid well and gave you a sense of dignity and self-worth.

I think people forget that they have to start somewhere. A person can’t expect to get into a position and then have it all right away. You have to start low and then work your way up. At the moment, I’m working a lower level helpdesk position yet again. It didn’t start out that way though. At the beginning, I worked data entry (which I hate immensely) making $6.75 an hour, and then worked up into the helpdesk position. It was difficult having to chew my pride, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I see a lot of promise with the company I’m working for (Quest to be more specific), and with the experience I have already, I know it won’t take long before I’m back on my feet once again. Now something could happen, and I could lose that job as well. But am I going to give up? HELL NO!

Of course there are MANY jobs that don’t pay well. But like any new job, you have to start at a low pay rate. When I was working my full potential, I had pretty much everything I could ask for in life. There were a lot of things I had to let go. I had to learn to live to my means. There is a difference in WANTING something, and then NEEDING something. I can still remember how pi$$ed off I was about it all. I needed to get out of the “poor pity me” mode, and do everything possible to get back on my feet. Do you think getting all upset about everything is going to help anything? I know just as much as anyone else how much it sucks to get the raw end of the deal. You can either choose to wallow in your misery, or grab the bull by the horns and take control.

Like many others, I was also in a bad situation. But did I learn anything? Indeed I did! I’ve come to realize what is important and what is not. I have 2 children I love very much! It doesn’t matter to me how big my house is, the car I drive, shoes I ware, people I know, etc... As long as I can work hard for something, give my kids a warm safe happy place to live, food in their mouths, than I am happy!

Now if there were any last of words of advice?

1. Stop the pity poor me party.
2. Learn to live to your means.
3. Get a job. Climb the latter.
4. Give up the dependency on Gov. and unemployment.
5. Stop complaining! It won’t get you anywhere.


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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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the job market is ruff right now

good luck everyone



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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1. Stop the pity poor me party.
2. Learn to live to your means.
3. Get a job. Climb the latter.
4. Give up the dependency on Gov. and unemployment.
5. Stop complaining! It won’t get you anywhere.


1. Who is saying pity me? Mostly I see "be patient while I find a job that suits my needs financially and goal-wise."

2. Ridiculous - People DO live within their means. If I have a job whose pay allows me a certain standard of living, and I lose my job.. suddenly I wasn't living within my means? What a load of rubbish. If you are suggesting I live my entire life under my means just in case I lose my job, so then I will be within my means.. no. I am not going to live my life in fear.. always underachieving because of what MIGHT happen.

3. Yes.. great advice. Of course, that's what most people do. Many of those laid off did just that.. for 10.. 15.. 20 years. And then *poof*.. laid off because of the economy. Hardly their fault, they did what you said. Doesn't always pay off.

4. Most people do that as soon as possible. Because unemployment is jack in the U.S. We have a horrible unemployment system. I have to chuckle that so many of you think it's a "good thing." It's terrible. Any country worth its salt has a MUCH better system in place, to go figure, SUPPORT ITS CITIZENS!

5. Who is complaining? Most of the complaints I see are from idiots who think someone who has worked for 30 years has NO RIGHT to collect the pittance that is unemployment, while they look for a meaningful, equitable job. No.. I see "omg.. stop being lazy, go work at McDonalds or dig ditches, it's the American way!" Screw off, I say. I hope some of you self-righteous folks who keep looking down your noses at others, once you lose your supposedly secure job, get the same level of support that you provide others. And not this self-righteous advice you think will actually help people.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by fleabit

I bet all of you jobless were the same ones who shopped at Wal-Mart, drive Toyotas or Hondas, and buy imported name brands.


What the hell does one have to do with the other?


So if I buy at Wal-Mart, it's my fault I'm unemployed? The fortune 500 environmental company I worked for somehow got wind I bought goods from out of country and fired me? Or are you saying it is karma?

Some of the posts from some of you people are beyond moronic.

I got laid off because a new CTO who became CIO thought it would be neat to implement a phone support, warm-transfer system. Sucks for employees - supposedly will save a few bucks. And wants to make waves since he just started. THAT is why I was RIF'd. Not because of where I shop. Some of you "you are lazy lol / you buy imported goods so that's why you were fired" people really tic me off.
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Hey, look. I wasn't singling you out but only making sweeping generalisations.

I do notice that the blue-collar do tend to shop locally more, and the white-collar prefer imports.

EVERYTHING is inter-related whether you like it or not.

I don't really know your area of expertise, but nevertheless wish you all the luck in finding a new job. My moronic self has a job to get to.


ETA; did you never anticipate you MIGHT lose your job one day? If you never prepared for this scenario after 10-15-20 years, I do not sympathize.

Did you buy the big mansion? Nice imported car? Barely able to make payments?

Yup, living BEYOND your means.
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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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I disagree on the blame part-


personal responsibility

where they prepared or did they decide to live high on the hog-



also- who did they vote for and what did they vote
(is the compassionate conservative giving you hope and change feeling your pain over a thousands points of light?)

matters to

the ONLY way to succeed is to accept full responsibility for the boat your in. ONLY then can you prevent it from happening again

so yes look in the mirror and that is who is responsible for the condition those unemployed find themselves in!

Kent Walls Rant III: Testicular fortitude

I am covering this now in my thread...

in proper planning leads to where you are at.

Ask yourself how they got into this position?

did they check the background of their company
did they become knowledgable about their industry
did they monitor that industry

we are adults now and this is the big leagues...

I do not apologize because to succeed you have to accept this truth... You and you alone are responsible for your destiny not someone else.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Just saying.. many meaningfully employed people shop at Wal-Mart as well. Has nothing to do with one another.

The legislation is why the economy is a mess. The allows that allow companies to hand all their jobs to foreign countries. And I keep laughing at folks who think our unemployment is something grand that people shouldn't rely on. Our unemployment is BOTTOM OF THE LIST of any list of countries providing it. We are dead last. And people are brainwashed into thinking it's a great system, that we don't want to rely on too much.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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You have to understand there is a difference between unemployment benefits and welfare.

YOU have paid into unemployment insurance. It is rightfully yours. You are entitled to claim those benefits for however long your nation deems is acceptable for you to find new employment.

IF, after a certain time you cannot find adequate employment, THEN going on Welfare is an option.

Not an admirable one, but an option. Or you can find alternative employment in a new field.

THIS is reality. Welcome to it.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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Don't forget the companies that only hire through temp agencies!Then you have to wait 3-6-12 months before you get hired(whenever they feel like it) and then you have to go through a 3-6 month trial period..but by that time they are already trying to get rid of you so they can bring in a new temp and do the same to that guy!That way they don't have to pay for benefits and they're not responsible for you.

And don't you just love how they take taxes from your pay, and then when you get your vacation pay they take taxes off that too.And it's already been taxed once from your original pay so that's twice they tax you!

If there are so many jobs out there then why doesn't the government hook people up with jobs instead of welfare????



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by biggmoneyme
it's all about where you live and who you know. if being succesful in this f*d up world is important to you move to where theres a lot of industry. i know guys in mid twenties making 90k+ working offshore with nothing more than a highschool diploma
2nd


I totally hear you, in my line of work the nepotism and cronyism is rampant!
You stand up for yourself against some of the pigswill out here and it can cost you $$$$ contracts on the whim of an email.
Yep you totally see things in perspective when every door slams in your face and you get blacklisted for a few cycles...



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:10 PM
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I've got a job and since it doesn't pay enough, I'm still living with the parents. I'm not exactly enjoying it, I'm too old to be stuck at home like this. Only reason I took the job is that it was the only place willing to hire considering I was without work for 3 years. Pittance is better than no income at all. But to be honest, I need to make about 3X as much in order to move out. Don't feel like going through all the crap to get section-8, food stamps, or whatever and still be working for piss-poor earnings.

Only thing keeping me around at the moment are the kids I drive to school for this little fly-by-night transport company. (Knowing the nature of the business, it seems they'd close down and start up under yet another name if anybody tried to unionize.) I feel a little sorry for 'em, given what they have to deal with. Yet it's very likely I'll try again for something else though if the company puts me on standby for the summer.

And it's not being stupid or lazy. I've went and got the college degree, but hardly anybody in the field is hiring. Or if they do, they go for people with connections on the network first. As for the job I have now, my standards are higher than those of my employer - considering how I've seen things being done.

Getting a job that can actually cover rent seems to be like playing the lotto. And as much as I'd like to pick up a second job, I'm kind of spent after working one shift. I suppose there are some things that can perk ya up, but from what I understand they're not good for you nor legal. (Caffiene and those other "energy drinks" only does yea-much in my case.)



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Goldcurrent

Just because you have a little piece of paper from a glorified socialist institution does not mean you understand how the world truly works.

This is why many of you have failed. Your cozy little view of the world and the systems you thought existed to benefit you and were espoused in the left-wing colleges, turned against you.

If you cannot find someone to PAY you for what you can offer, you better find something you CAN offer to society.

If not, there are billions of others out there who are willing to take your place.

This is the goal of the NWO. Globalism, equal distribution, and a two class system. Instead of crying about things, we need to develop a way to guard against this movement. Unfortunately, this ideal has infiltrated the very basis of our education systems and people are left wondering what the heck happened?


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I see this a in a fair-few of the baby-boomers who are living the life of riley in comparison.
Some of them now realise what a mess it is for the generation X ,Y and Zs out there.
They never had it so good and we've never had it so bad imho.

Get back our manufacturing, become as self-sufficient as humanly possible, ditch all media bs that's polluting brains with bs,start producing and learning the old ways.

I'll give you an example right now of what I just did.
I wanted a special gizmo for my camera, a camera mount strap in effect.
It would of cost me $20 on ebay.
Instead of buying it I made my own using a needle, thread and three pieces of elastic.
We need get our grafting, innovating and inventing heads on here people. That's how we roll and push through, but a lot of us have lost what it is we have to thrive.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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I live in nyc. minimum wage is like 8$ i think. working 40 hours a week thats 1280 a month before taxes.
Renting a 1 bedroom apartment can cost from 1200-1500 a month in brooklyn. you could always just rent a room for 500$ though. thats the american dream right?



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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They think that they're so perfect, so flawless that it gives them the authority to chime in an arrogant manner.

That's called ignorance though and we deny it here!



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