There Are LOADS Of Jobs Out There, But NONE Of Them Pay Living Wages!, page 1


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Topic started on 20-5-2012 @ 12:22 AM by v1rtu0s0
This is a rebuttal to the 'other' thread espousing the wonders of a plentiful job market. Everything is okay because we can all just be creative and invent our jobs. It's that easy!

If all else fails just work 3 jobs and you'll be okay!

The problem is that the middle class is shrinking and allot of jobless people have worked for their degrees or invested blood sweat and tears in their trades and they're not going to settle for McDonalds. Most people aren't just trying to survive, they are trying to live, and perhaps have a chance at 'thriving.' If the job can't even meet basic needs, what's the point?

Sure you can start a business and watch it become successful, but the odds are it will not. You can try to invent something, but most likely it's been done, and the odds are it won't work out. Entrepreneurship is a risky business, and with limited resources, it's not worth it. With no source of income, you can't just keep trying to start a business and have it fail or you'll be on the street quick.

Reinventing yourself is another option, but again, not everyone can reinvent themselves so easily. Where is your source of income while you reinvent yourself? This is assuming you reinvent yourself and can find a job, then find yourself at the entry level again. Just because one person can do it and relate their positive anecdotal account does not mean it can be replicated by others. If it's that easy we wouldn't have a problem.

There's something bigger that needs to be addressed like outsourcing work and exporting jobs overseas. Something bigger like Mitt Romney coming in and laying off thousand of people so he can make his investors a nice profit. Something bigger like The Fed, debt, and economic bubbles that burst when the plutocrats play dice with our economy. Something bigger like the fraud, waste and abuse of our system.

So while you claim everything goes back to personal responsibility, you are ignoring economic factors that are putting hard working people on the streets and then mocking them because it worked out for you.

But of course, they must be lazy if it didn't work out for them!


reply posted on 20-5-2012 @ 01:26 AM by dreamseeker
reply to post by Thunder heart woman


Just because someone is not working or is not working enough does not make them lazy. What is people's obsession with thinking people are lazy?
We all have unique situations that put us where we are at in life. Welfare is never a choice; not every benefit is welfare though, Social Security and Social Security Disablity is not welfare nor is medicare; we all pay into those systems. Furthermore; unemployment is not welfare since in order to get it you had to have worked in the recent past.
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reply posted on 20-5-2012 @ 02:10 AM by g146541
reply to post by Thunder heart woman


I imagine digging ditches will make you a righteous minimum wage, what is that nowadays?
8 bucks or so an hour?
With gas being 4-5 bucks a gallon plus food, and rent, and utilities, and maybe daycare, health insurance, car insurance, phone (so your boss can call you when he/she wants you).
All makes sense to me, sounds just like slavery,
Oops wrong, Massa always took care of his slaves.
The new slave massa only cares about the bottom line, ala Romney.

This is why if people find themselves in a similar bind, they should opt out of the system.
Live simple and be your own master, make Massa tend his own crops.


reply posted on 20-5-2012 @ 08:03 AM by Sinny
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Its not your "style" to be on welfare? LOL please don't make me LAUGH, why on Earth do you pay into the tax system then? Huh? In my last temporary job, for 6 months I was taxed £140 each slip, £840 together, jobless for 2 months I've took £318 ish? I don't feel guitly!!

I back this thread 100%... After being jobless for nearly 2 months, I FINALLY found, and got a position as apprentice receptionist at the Chamber of Commerce. Operative words there being APPRENTICE and FINALLY!

Do you know what's happened in the UK? Do you know the government have actually PHASHED out regualr jobs? Do you know how?

It was and is, quite the scandal, they TOLD everyone at the job center it was MANDATORY to work 40 hours unpaid work exsperience OR there benefit (of £53-£67 pw) will be STOPPED.... They got thousands of us slaves to do these courses for BIG companies.... For it to be LATER revealed that they were NOT mandatory. They tried hiding and editting their guidelines online and all sorts!

THEN you will find, anything that WAS a job as been convieniently RENAMED as an "Apprenticeship" so they can pay you *£2.30* an hour!!

E.g: Apprentice customer service

Apprentice Floor assistant!!!

What the hell? Apprentice ships should be reserved for skilled trades only!

Most apprenticeships offer a fixed rate of £75 each week, for 40 hours of your life, precisly £8 pounds better than than the job seekers benefit! (For those age 25 and above, us younguns don't even see that much!)

What does £8 get you? 2 days on the bus!!

I find my self wondering how I'm going to survive on this apprenticeship, when bus fair will cost me almost £20 each week, minus my £25 keep each week... That will leave me £30 pounds.

I can quickly say goodbye to my aspirations of getting a little motor soon, AND leaving home, and going on any holidays, infact can I even afford a hair cut next week??? Can I afford to keep my cat? What about those new work shirts I needed?

Ohh noo... Not to worry, because there's loads of jobs out there aren't there???!!! That's what I thought!

Now... Let's hunt down the bankers and MPs and take this world back!

ETA: ill also take a bash at guessing your American? Alpologies if I'm wrong, but instead of hating on the welfare recievers, why don't you put that much energy into protesting against the federal reserve? The day that bank came into existence, by means of a conpiratory plot on jekkyl island was the day American history was already wrote!

Heck you've even had 3 presisdents assasinated for trying to warn the public about that bank, and for trying to break away from it,

So get off your high f*ckin horse and be a true patriot!

Ignorant people make my blood boil!
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reply posted on 20-5-2012 @ 08:26 AM by Sinny
reply to post by ZindoDoone


Carefull! Might wanna check your not victim to a conspiracy being laid off that many times!

We recently found out 4000 construction workers had been blacklisted from our major companies over here for being part of a union!! LOL anyone who exercises their rights are automatic terrorists now!

NWO is a scary aspect indeed.
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