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WA Threatens to split from Australia

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Funk bunyip
 

Actually...I have Australian Freinds and....associates so I believe I have a fairly good understandingof Australian Mentality. I actually enjoy it and the one of the toughest people I know through me out of a Bar on early morning as I was unusually Drunk as I find it hard to get drunk because of my muscle mass and the fact I run.

Muscle metabolizes alcohol at a rate many times faster than FAT and I am usually impervious to drinking...but this Aussie had me drinking some kind of Moonshine and after a few word were said that I probably shouldn't have said...were said...next thing I knew I was in the dust outside.

After SHE picked me up...LOL! I found out another aspect of Australia from a Female perspective....that being...Aussie Women LOVE MEN who can take a punch! LOL! She also showed me the ugliest Bedroom wallpaper I have ever seen! LOL! Split Infinity



Thought you sounded familiar!

just kidding...(it might have been you or not...
) but seriously...never underestimate a woman who's been exposed to lots of sun...you never know what could happen

Australian men though....oooohhhhh! something else entirely!

x




posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by AussieAmandaC

Originally posted by daaskapital
WA shouldn't cut ties with Canberra. If i were Canberra, i would be pulling out all military bases and forces out of WA just in case they decide to succeed.


Truly, get a grip! We aren't going to take the worst of other countries behaviours, and make it our policy, so every one else feels better about their inequality where they live.

We have vast amounts of inequality anyway (which we work very hard to rectify) without adding fear and military rubbish onto it, our military are one of the most sensible on the planet, don't insult them, by saying they would turn on citizens because of a border dispute, sheesh!
Do you want us to? Would that make every one else's situation better? Is that's what it takes, then bring it on!!!
If not, and doing the same thing over and over is not okay, we'll handle it a little differently, thanks very much for your valuable opinion though.

Aussies have a culture, and it includes a built in bull sheet alert, free with every birth and boat ride, it's a given.

What a silly thing to say! I hope you get a chance to visit one day, it's truly pretty cool, we get to learn all about other countries by our visitors, we are always friends first, or try very hard to be. Some of us aren't so great, some of us are fantastic, isn't it the same where you are?

Some of you guys though a pretty tough to like let alone love, but we always try our best, not give up, and go berserk, it serves no purpose in the end.

Good luck to you and yours friend and when your visiting check out the Territory too, Tasmania, Victoria, ACT Qld and NSW, all completely different and amazing because of it.

WA is like another country and it is as dynamic as the rest of the planet, how about NO Borders, ANYWHERE?

Where would you go?


I am an Aussie if you hadn't noticed


(I bet you haven't even heard of the Doug Anthony All Stars...)

I did not indicate whatsoever that our soldiers would fire upon us citizens. All i said was that if WA was truly going to Formally split from Australia, then Canberra should remove all bases from WA as it would no longer be regarded as a state of Australia...

Learn to read things properly and not take things out of context please.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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Actually she was also going to suggest a Taliban representative should also be given a seat in on meetings as do all the rest already.

How's that for a fair go...




edit on 21-5-2012 by AussieAmandaC because: Wasn't Alkida, as I posted first time, Taliban.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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That was not obvious at all, sorry.
funny yesterday



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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I think I have some credibility here.

I was born in Australia and moved to America at the age of seven. I returned to Australia at the age of 23 and am now 53 years of age. I lived and ran a business in W.A (Wanneroo) for 25 years. Currently I reside in Queensland. I am tired of Americans on this thread giving Australians advice.

W.A. will not secede, they are only flexing their muscles and the Premier is grabbing headlines. Aussies despite their disagreements are mates. Americans would not understand this concept "mateship." It is a powerful thing based on a young history and sacrifice in battle (over-simplified).

All the bloody Yanks that keep giving Aussies advice should keep your traps shut. Australia is far from perfect, but it's a dreamworld compared to America. We don't take ourselves as seriously as Americans do, we just get on with the job. Bring your Greenback here, and you'll get short-changed. Stop telling everyone else what to do.The last few decades America has lost its self- determination through sloth and apathy. What's to emulate?



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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Excellent reply and thoughts.

I have been lucky to live in almost every state in Australia. Apart from NT or QLD I wouldn't want to live anywhere else................the only problem I have is that we seem to be propping up the rest of the country. I'm just sick and tired of paying through the nose for everything. House prices are going through the roof here........$500k for a fibro, you gotta be kidding. I pay rent in VP at the mo and it cost me $650 A WEEK!!!! (Note: CaptainBeno does not live in a mansion) Unreal!

Still, could always sleep on the beach!.........ahem.

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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.$500k for a fibro,


What is a fibro?

I went to the babblefish and looked for an Aussie to English translator but they don't have it yet.
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Fibre board house. Like an transportable, made of gyprock, and not brick. Times past, they would be the cheaper housing compared to foundation brick.

My brother paid 400k for his fibro in Kalgoorlie, by comparison to the fibro I own in SA which was still 260k. The prices of everything in WA, even in Qld is just outrageous, even worse if you want the coast life.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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And if the majority of Australians live on the East coast, then the fair share should go to the majority. And how long has the steel industry on the East coast been providing profits for all of Australia who benefited from the steel industry boom that has now crashed ? Did states like WA and QLD recieve any profits from the steel industry mainly operating out of Wollongong and Newcastle [NSW] before the industry crashed ?

And its interesting you try to justify your stance by using the good old "trying to put more Aussies in work around the country"..............I have applied for over 80 bottom level entry mining jobs in the last few months, yet only 2 of the 80 companies have even bothered to give a reply, despite these constant claims from mining companies that they are "crying out for workers". I also know 6 people that do work in the mines. Three of the 6 work in WA, two in QLD and one in SA, yet they have all told me that mines they work at have just as many Kiwi's working at them then Australians. And if a lot of the mines workers are flying in from another state, then shouldnt the profits also be shared amongst the other states considering a large chuck of the profits are being made by workers coming from other states ?

And you say "the communities are only there because of the mining industry". When the mining boom comes to an end, what becomes of those communities ??? These communities are only being built to make working at their mine more attractive to work at, especially for families looking to re-locate so the partner not working in the mines can get a job at the sandwich shop. But again, what happens to those communities and jobs, and families, when the boom crashes ? Is there a long term plan for these communities, or is it only for the duration of the mining company making profits ?

Yes, the owners of the companies were pissed at the Government. Have you ever seen a wealthy person appear happy to be paying more in tax ? Was the average hard working Australian happy about getting a 10% GST added despite still having to pay a minimum income tax of 33%. Was the average Australian happy about facing a Carbon tax, adding to their curent tax of 33%, plus 10% GST, while many major companies recieve concessions, or are able to be exempt from a Carbon tax despite producing more carbon then the population combined ?

I'm in no way defending Julia Gillard or her wage, personally i can't stand her, but then again Abbott will be just as bad so where does it really leave us ? But, Julia Gillards salary is apparently around $400,000 a year as Prime Minister, and yes i agree she should pay her fair share as well, but, her fair share from $400,000 would be a drop in the ocean compared to the fair share you'd get from the mining magnates with billion dollar profits and it would be comparing apples with oranges !

This is all just another clear cut case of a mining boss jumping up and down when he/she doesnt get their own way. Just look at the recent personal behaviour of Tinkler, Reinhart and Palmer.for proof of this. Tinkler's recent dummy spit with the A-League, despite signing a 10 year legal contract, he tries to get out of the contract because he wasn't getting his own way. Or Palmers recent behaviour, co-incidently also with the A-League, who clearly went against the rules and did his own thing, then carries on like a spoilt brat because he didn't get his own way. Or Reinharts recent behaviour with her children and the families trust fund !
These people are obsessed with profits and the power it brings. But in these 3 cases the power has clearly gone to their heads.

I'm all for WA and QLD recieving their fair share from the profits, but making these empty threats of breaking off from the rest of the country sound like the rantings of a person talking before thinking. The mining boom will not last forever, i will admit the mining boom is currently keeping Australia alive, but there were also many other industries before mining that did the same thing, yet all met their eventual industry crash.
When i left school it was relatively easy to get a job in my city at a steel making related company. But that industry has now died and its now a case of company after company closing down, either to move oversea's or to reduce their workforce to keep shareholders happy. When the mining boom crashes, the wealthy owners that are making these threats will be retired and sitting back on a tropical beach, while the working class who made these wealthy people wealthy, will be the ones left to pick up the peices and be left wondering where their next job will, and what happened to their "community" !



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Separating from the rest of Australia would be dumb. Asia is not their friend and they would be soon overtaken by them and dominated, and then occupied by them.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by gps777

Originally posted by AussieDingus


This headline in the OP didn`t even make it on the news,so its just a storm in a tea cup.

But its been fun throwing mud pies from east to west and vice versa,go Aussies


I agree, I believe Aussies should stick together and don't mean to have a slanging match across statelines, but then again i'm not the mining magnate in the West making threats of starting my own country. I just thought i'd put things back into perspective !



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Never heard of such a thing.

Houses here are made with a pine frame or sometimes now steel frame (thin steel in the shape of 2x4's).

And the walls in really old houses are lath and plaster. Newer house walls are all drywall or sheet rock.

Sometimes they add a layer of fibre board for weather proofing I think.

Expensive houses here have a brick exterior. Most in So California where I am have a stucco exterior.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Your reply to me seems as if I am against Australia becoming more than it is...I am not. In fact...I would like to see Australia become more developed and obtain a larger Military. As it stands today...Australia does not have enough people to develop a large enough tax base to be able to create some of the plans necessary to turn deserts into farmland. Even without underground aquifers...Australia could use massive Desalinisation plants to provide fresh water.

Also...a land mass the size of Australia is rediculously underpopulated. You can say what you want about desert conditions but without large scale projects which takes money...those deserts will stay deserts.
Split Infinity



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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You know...you would think that...I myself was surprised...but it is true. U.S. workers lead all other countries in productivity. Look it up. Split Infinity



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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Your reply to me seems as if I am against Australia becoming more than it is...I am not. In fact...I would like to see Australia become more developed and obtain a larger Military. As it stands today...Australia does not have enough people to develop a large enough tax base to be able to create some of the plans necessary to turn deserts into farmland. Even without underground aquifers...Australia could use massive Desalinisation plants to provide fresh water.

Also...a land mass the size of Australia is rediculously underpopulated. You can say what you want about desert conditions but without large scale projects which takes money...those deserts will stay deserts.
Split Infinity



Whether you have a grudge against Australia is not of my concern. Australia has more than enough people to begin "terraforming" the deserts. Israel has only about 10 million people and yet they have turned their deserts into lush farmland. Australia has more than twice that population.
How could we terraform Australia's interior?
I would suggest firstly to dig out a channel and deepen Lake Erye by 20 metres, then flood it with the sea water. This would provide a permanent source of water in Central Australia and allow for more precipitation making the East and West wetter.
My second suggestion is to divert the northern Queensland rivers away from the sea, and instead divert them into the outback, creating permanent lakes scattered across the interior.
My third suggestion, is to utilise "scrap" rock from mining sites to create "artificial mountains" in the interior, this would allow rainfall to occur more often.
Lastly, my fourth suggestion is to "break" the hard bedrock that encompasses the majority of the interior, with the hard bed rock broken and the increased rainfall and precipitation, the outback should be habitable for farms and cities.

In this day and age, yes I agree Australia is still underpopulated. BUT the East coast IMO is "overpopulated", we need to start constructing new cities in the central deserts, western, and northern parts of the country.
CrimsonKapital.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by AussieDingus
And if the majority of Australians live on the East coast, then the fair share should go to the majority. And how long has the steel industry on the East coast been providing profits for all of Australia who benefited from the steel industry boom that has now crashed ? Did states like WA and QLD recieve any profits from the steel industry mainly operating out of Wollongong and Newcastle [NSW] before the industry crashed ?

Your the second east coaster to ask this,care to back it up,that WA used their profits because we were struggling?


And its interesting you try to justify your stance by using the good old "trying to put more Aussies in work around the country"..............I have applied for over 80 bottom level entry mining jobs in the last few months, yet only 2 of the 80 companies have even bothered to give a reply,

I don`t know your qualifications/work skills health age etc etc or the positions you applied for,I know I could get a job up there tomorrow.


Three of the 6 work in WA, two in QLD and one in SA, yet they have all told me that mines they work at have just as many Kiwi's working at them then Australians.

If Kiwi`s are calling Australia home,good luck to them,if not we should look after our own first.


And if a lot of the mines workers are flying in from another state, then shouldnt the profits also be shared amongst the other states considering a large chuck of the profits are being made by workers coming from other states ?

Why would these workers complain if they`re already well paid?why should they get a double dip?


And you say "the communities are only there because of the mining industry". When the mining boom comes to an end, what becomes of those communities ???

There is a place called Wittenoom that used to mine asbestos which stopped in 1966 there is asbestos on the ground everywhere there I`ve been there many times,people still refuse to move.


Yes, the owners of the companies were pissed at the Government. Have you ever seen a wealthy person appear happy to be paying more in tax ?

How would you like a special tax just for you? while everyone else was taxed less.


Julia Gillards salary is apparently around $400,000 a year as Prime Minister, and yes i agree she should pay her fair share as well, but, her fair share from $400,000 would be a drop in the ocean compared to the fair share you'd get from the mining magnates with billion dollar profits and it would be comparing apples with oranges !

No I wasn`t saying that,I was defending a persons right to spend their money as they see fit,against those who think they are entitled to have a say with others finances.


This is all just another clear cut case of a mining boss jumping up and down when he/she doesnt get their own way. Just look at the recent personal behaviour of Tinkler, Reinhart and Palmer.for proof of this. Tinkler's recent dummy spit with the A-League, despite signing a 10 year legal contract, he tries to get out of the contract because he wasn't getting his own way. Or Palmers recent behaviour, co-incidently also with the A-League, who clearly went against the rules and did his own thing, then carries on like a spoilt brat because he didn't get his own way. Or Reinharts recent behaviour with her children and the families trust fund !

For someone who complains about others whinging you do a heck of a lot yourself.Families can be like that rich or not.


I'm all for WA and QLD recieving their fair share from the profits,

Good for you thanks,thats all we want.


i will admit the mining boom is currently keeping Australia alive, but there were also many other industries before mining that did the same thing, yet all met their eventual industry crash.

Industries around Australia could have done with the Governments help to keep them alive or on our shores,it doesn`t help them by squeezing them.



When the mining boom crashes, the wealthy owners that are making these threats will be retired and sitting back on a tropical beach, while the working class who made these wealthy people wealthy, will be the ones left to pick up the peices and be left wondering where their next job will, and what happened to their "community" !

I`m with you pal,though I just see things a bit different on the preservation of our industries and the way our Government handles these things.

Not sure if your willing to move over here to get in the mines,From my experience with the mines they like families (depending on what site,Newman, Port Hedland if your trying to get in with BHP) if you`ve got a Boilermakers ticket,you should be snapped up pretty quick,there are many contractors also who go in and do the shut downs.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by AussieDingus

I agree, I believe Aussies should stick together and don't mean to have a slanging match across statelines,

Its all good,I haven`t seen anything that I`d say is offensive,other than some American comments in the thread.


but then again i'm not the mining magnate in the West making threats of starting my own country. I just thought i'd put things back into perspective !

Just so you get your perspective right,its our Premiere making the idle threats not the mining magnate.

ETA
I ran out of characters in the other post and wanted to post this..

WA life 'sweet as' for record number of Kiwis

When I worked up in the mines there were many Kiwis,but it looks like there are even more nowadays getting the jobs.All I can say is keep trying AussieDingus,also in the mean time get a Dogman ticket,scafold ticket,riggers ticket etc anything that you can add to your resume.


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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by 74Templar

Fibre board house. Like an transportable, made of gyprock, and not brick. Times past, they would be the cheaper housing compared to foundation brick.

The prices of everything in WA, even in Qld is just outrageous, even worse if you want the coast life.


To back that up

WA the most expensive state in Australia



Premier Colin Barnett has acknowledged the cost of living pressures facing ordinary West Australians, but provided little relief in the state Budget.
www.perthnow.com.au...

Pretty hard to give relief if the Gov cuts our funding.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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Was not WA a 'basket case' many years ago, and the funding from the East helped to rebuild the west?
I can see where he is coming from, but if the prices of housing in WA weren't nearly $1,000,000 they'd attract many more people and therefore receive more funding from the Commonwealth.



posted on May, 22 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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Lets face it across the board we need change. Everyone is struggling.



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