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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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I have two posts in another thread www.abovetopsecret.com...
that answer all of that.

Bottom line:
A) Angels, including Lucifer have free will. Just as you do.
B) Hell is reserved for the angels that rebelled, not mankind.

God didn't create anything so it may suffer. The idea of an eternal hell is based off greek myth (Hades), not doctrine. It's why Jesus took the keys to "Death and Hades", to squash such thought that is what your destination could possibly be. Anything else is addressed in above link..take it for what you will.




posted on May, 20 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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@Lasr1oftheJedi: Ask YOURSELF this question: What IF you are wrong?

This video is posted for the benefit of those reading this who are more interested in what is real than they are in what someone THINKS may be real:



Tamara attempted suicide by shooting herself in the chest. She died and came back to life.

At that moment I knew I was no longer in control of my destiny. I ended up in a place that was complete torment. My body was burning. I no longer was lonely. I was no longer depressed. I became depression. I became loneliness. I became a tormented being of fear. I saw all of these other people and everybody was screaming out in pain. The mutual thing that everyone shared there was their desire to scream out to everybody on earth, “Do not come here. Acknowledge that life is about Jesus Christ.”

Eternity is real. Hell is real. Heaven is real. How you live your life will determine where you go. Everybody cried out that their loved ones would hear the truth.Source



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
Not Christian,, but pagan, but was raised that way,, and remember this:


Isaiah 45:6-7
"That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."


so,, he unabashedly admits it...

I am a firm believer that just like it is in humans,,, 1 in 25 Deities are schizophrenic Or psychotic. Some are just worse than others.

This verse and so many others only make me want to study further. I wouldn't say God is schitzophrenic nor psychotic, I firmly believe that God exists.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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I dont understand this hole God and Chirch thing, i believe in God but i dont need to be a Moslem or Christian 4 that..you know iam sayn?



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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Angels do have free will. The 1/3 the fall chose to align with Heylel (Lucifer's real name).



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by SkullAndBeats235
I dont understand this hole God and Chirch thing, i believe in God but i dont need to be a Moslem or Christian 4 that..you know iam sayn?


Do demons believe in God as well? You need to raise the bar a tad higher than believing in God my man.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by Lasr1oftheJedi
I have two posts in another thread www.abovetopsecret.com...
that answer all of that.

Bottom line:
A) Angels, including Lucifer have free will. Just as you do.
B) Hell is reserved for the angels that rebelled, not mankind.

God didn't create anything so it may suffer. The idea of an eternal hell is based off greek myth (Hades), not doctrine. It's why Jesus took the keys to "Death and Hades", to squash such thought that is what your destination could possibly be. Anything else is addressed in above link..take it for what you will.


Close. Hell was created for the fallen angels and the demons. But if mankind chooses that place over an eternity with God they will be there as well.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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When you make a movie, you know the beginning, the middle, the end, all the lines, but you make it anyway...

When you have a baby, you know it will grow up and leave your house, have children of its own, and some day die, but you have it anyway...

When you leave for work in the morning, you know where you're headed, you know how to get there and you're reasonably sure of what may or may not happen along the way, but you still go....

When you go to sleep at night, you'll wake up in the morning (barring dying in your sleep), but you go to sleep anyway...

When you carry out a familiar experiment you have the hypothesis, you're reasonably sure of what the result will be, but you do it anyway.

Maybe we're just a big ole petri dish and God was "bored" so we're his entertainment



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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I'll answer your riddle with a short story...

Did God Create Evil?

Did God create Evil? At a certain college there was a professor with a reputation for being tough on Christians. At the first class, every semester, he asked if anyone was a Christian and proceeded to degrade them and mock their statement of faith.

One semester, he asked the question and a young man raised his hand. The professor asked, "Did God make everything young man?" He replied "Yes sir HE did!" The professor responded, "If God made everything, then HE made evil." The student didn't have a response and the professor was happy to once again prove the Christian faith to be a myth.

Then another man raised his hand and asked, "May I ask you something, sir?" "Yes, you may," responded the professor. The young man stood up and said, "Sir, is there such a thing as cold?" "Of course there is, what kind of a question is that? Haven't you ever been cold?"

The young man replied, "Actually, sir, cold doesn't exist. What we consider to be cold is really an absence of heat. Absolute zero is when there is absolutely no heat, but cold does not really exist. We have only created that term to describe how we feel when heat is not there."

The young man continued, "Sir, is there such a thing as dark?" Once again the professor responded, "Of course there is." And once again, the student replied, "Actually, sir, darkness does not exist. Darkness is really only the absence of light. Darkness is only a term developed to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally, the young man asked, "Sir, is there such a thing as evil?" The professor responded, "Of course, we have rapes, murders and violence everywhere in the world. Those things are evil." The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love which exist as virtues like heat or
light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat, or darkness without light."

The professor had nothing to say.................



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by SkullAndBeats235
I dont understand this hole God and Chirch thing, i believe in God but i dont need to be a Moslem or Christian 4 that..you know iam sayn?


Do demons believe in God as well? You need to raise the bar a tad higher than believing in God my man.


Good point!

Demons also believe in God and also known that Jesus is the Son and God in the flesh.(Mark 5:7) (Luke 4:34) (Luke 10:17)

What demons lack however is faith in God.

Faith being defined as complete trust and confidence. They lack faith in God as seen clearly from their works. They rebel against Him and that is why they are outcast. They know God, but faith in Him they have not so they are lost.

Have faith in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. Your works will not buy your safety from hell. If you could work your way into heaven then Christ would have died in vein.

Be assured that Jesus Christ our Lord has freed us from the wages of sin if only we have faith. Trust and have confidence in your God. When he tells you to Love one another trust this and when he tells you to turn away from sin and do good works have confidence that this is the way one should live.

Do not be led astray like the outcast who believe in God, but have no trust in Him. They that believe they know better than God although they know that He exist has no faith in Him.

Have confidence in God that he loves you and that everything he tells you is the truth.

Jesus Christ died for our sins so that we are not bound by them any longer have faith in Him and you shall be saved.
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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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If, if, if.

There was one Angel that was created with freewill, Lucifer/Lux...the word angel in hebrew translates as "messenger" but Lucifer was more than just any messenger, he was the Choirmaster of Heaven that was in charge of leading praise and worship.

So how did he fool the other angels into following him? Simple. He brainwashed them with his music and lyrics into worshipping him and that's how they fell.

Same way he fools catholics into worshipping the Monstrance Sun idol, he does it right in front of your eyes and you don't even see it till its too late.

He is God's tool for weeding the wheat from the tares.

So if God is so omnipotent and omniscient why did he allow it to happen? Because if you're going to create your own bride and want her to be faithful in you and trust you, you have to teach her right from wrong and you do that by giving her free will and setting tests before her, otherwise you have a robot and God did not want a mindless robot for a wife he wanted a companion and maybe even an equal. You could say he was experimenting with making more god's because that is the theme in the Holy Bible.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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EarthCitizen23, hi there


There are two key facts that need to be considered:

1. The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." If you notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster”, “calamity” and “woe”. The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that "I create evil" in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 which you quoted, makes it clear that something other than "bringing moral evil into existence" is in mind. The context you mentioned is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. "Woe to him who quarrels with his Master" (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings "evil" and "disaster." So, rather than saying that God created "moral evil" Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture - that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.

One of the most common reasons skeptics reject the existence of God is due to the presence of evil in this universe. They reason that a perfect God would not create a universe in which evil exists. Skeptics claim that since God created everything that God must have also created evil. They even cite Bible verses, such as:

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6, KJV)

"Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?" (Lamentations 3:38)


However, evil is not really a created thing. You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe. Still, skeptics like to claim that God created evil and cite the Bible to "prove" their point. The Bible is quite clear that God is not the author of evil and insists that He is incapable of doing so.

Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would think that they were still back in medieval England. Use of this translation is problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern English, which doesn't necessarily mean the same things today as when it was translated over 400 years ago. In addition, the KJV was produced using a limited number of medieval manuscripts that did not represent the earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts.

Best regards

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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by SkullAndBeats235
I dont understand this hole God and Chirch thing, i believe in God but i dont need to be a Moslem or Christian 4 that..you know iam sayn?


James 2: 14-24

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Faith without the Works is dead.
Works without the Faith is also dead.

You say with your mouth you believe in God but if you lack the works you lie. This is not to say that you need to go to church, the true church is a spiritual brotherhood not made by the hands of men but by the hands of God.

Lastly do not lump christians with muslim, we do not have the same God, their god is a carnal spirit.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:52 AM
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So in reference to christianity... If god is omnipotent... all seeing, all knowing, all powerful.

I think this is an idea that sort of evolved within Christianity but was not envisioned at its founding, as in the views of Jesus and the Apostles.
I think of Satan as a personification of a virtual spiritual entity that is formed by the combined evil aspects of spiritual intent of all people living on earth.
There was no god or anyone else before creation and it was not known what all the results would be ahead of time. Whatever did exist then, in the form of thought, decided to go ahead and that imperfection in the universe that was a result was better than nonexistence, and eventually things will get sorted out.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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This is the 'I think' thinking that is a display of ones faith and/or lack thereof.

Although you may believe in God you do not fully trust him or show confidence in what he says.

God has always been. He always was. He is all knowing and all powerful. He created all things. Have faith in God.



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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Have faith.

In you?
You are just describing what "you think".
I don't need "faith", if you mean belief.
God is real enough to me without making Him out to be something He does not claim Himself to be.



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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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I'm sorry if I was too vague.

Do not have faith in me. Have faith in God.

Do not believe what I say. Always seek God first.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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In my opinion, All of the Arch-Angels are Gods Sons. I think they fight among each other the way we all do. I think they are the rulers of this Earth, not the entire universe. I think the other planets have other rulers as well and they are getting upset with where they see our Earth going.

How can God just sit back and let Evil do Evil things when he could stop this? There is no common sense reason for anyone to have to die. They all have the power to allow us to live forever! Armageddon has already began, but is a very suble, decret way. This is not happening the way we have been taught as Christians. These beings whether they are Angels or Aliens from other planets are using humans bodies to travel with. You will notice this by paying attention to other humans eyes. They may turn black and then back to normal or one eye will change and the other will stay the same. This is not the humans fought and the human may not even be aware of this other than just not feeling right. When these beings jump into someone, you may see small lights, shadows, orbs going from human to human. These beings cannot stay in the human body but for short amounts of time. There is no way to contain or destroy these beings. The human cannot help this is happening.

Satan cannot do anything without God allowing him to do so..I do not believe the old saying of there is a reason for everything. This intrusion upon all of us is beyond evil..they should not be allowed to use our bodies as battlefields of a war. What is the battle about to began with? What are we all fighting over? I think it is important to know what you are fighting about! I think it is important to know who you are fighting!

From what I have observed- my biggest question is what in the world does Satan have to do with UFO'S. Some if these beings from other planets are good. Most of these beings from other planets are just as Satan is..I seem to see more of a problem with the Demons than with Satan himself.

This issue seems to be happening in stages. Things will be completed and things will calm down and time will go by and issues will come again.

The most horrible issue now that is occurring all over the Earth is something called a Telepathic Link or some call the HIVE. There are several lines of Communications going on between human to human contact. This was created as a war tactic to cause humans to turn against each other. This is also being used to program, brainwash and en-slave us all to a certain way of thinking. Both the Aliens and Satan are responsible for this. This basically is - our brains are being taken over..hyjacked..by some other force...It is like a internal hell within self..or purgatory. There are seperate beings that are responsible for these links. This has only happened in parts of our world. Still some are un-aware that this is even going on.

To survive this Link or Hive- You must retain youre individual self..Stay in a Daily Routine..Get Plenty of Sleep..Go about day to day normal Life!

Last night I sat outside and looked up at the stars and prayed! I sat there and I didnt know exactly who to pray to anymore..I just called upon the Creator of the Universe for assistance!

I dont know how many States in the US have been affected..but NC is very active.
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