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GOP upheld NDAA? What happened to liberty?

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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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I thought the GOP was for small government and liberty?

Couldn't be that they have not changed ONE SHRED since the Bush Administration?

So for Three plus years we have been hearing about how the evil liberals are taking
away freedom, by the same party that just upheld taking away your freedom, literally.

"Freedom, The Founding Fathers and Liberty" is all a marketing scheme.


It seems that the GOP favored the constitution crushing act, while also benefiting
by pinning the motive for the clause on the President. But this is nothing new, this
just the GOP coming out and resurrecting the exact policies they ran away from when
their party took a serious hit in 2008. If you are appalled at Obama signing the bill, you
should be equally appalled at the deception and manipulation the GOP has perpetrated
by playing both sides of the issue.

They get your votes, while they engineer the things they use to manipulate you.
They are for, stripping you constitutional rights, while they claim their opponents are out
to strip your rights. Now they are confident that they have clouded things enough so that
you the voter, will be stupid enough to miss out on this act of contempt.


Three years pretending to be the patron saints of liberty, while they actual just use liberty
as a prop to control America and the voters.

There is no conspiracy here folks, it is simple, right here for all to see



Instead, the House passed, by a vote of 243-173, an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) sponsored by Reps. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), Jeff Landry (R-La.) and Scott Rigell (R-Va.) that affirmed U.S. citizens would not be denied habeas corpus rights.

Smith and Amash had hoped to attract enough support from libertarian-leaning Republicans to pass their measure, but only 19 Republicans voted for it, while 19 Democrats voted against


thehill.com...
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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 04:47 PM
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Good question.

Why did the TEA PARTY decide to implement TYRANNY

Lets not forget

The House is controlled by the fanatical radical tea party.

So much for Tea Party Patiots supporting Freedom

now the Tea Party supports Tyranny



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Hell go ask Bin Laden what happened to his liberty

Oh damn you can't he's dead cause of liberals spreading freedom and democracy!



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by BlueStatePatriot
Good question.

Why did the TEA PARTY decide to implement TYRANNY

Lets not forget

The House is controlled by the fanatical radical tea party.

So much for Tea Party Patiots supporting Freedom

now the Tea Party supports Tyranny


That is the point... It is one thing to support a policy like this. But it is another
thing to pretend that you are fighting against this very thing. Then, to use it
to manipulate people to vote for you... So you get votes FOR taking away peoples
liberty, it is worse than a lawyer even.

This is insanity



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Hell go ask Bin Laden what happened to his liberty

Oh damn you can't he's dead cause of liberals spreading freedom and democracy!


Neo, you don't have to be such a massive hypocrite. You were making a huge to do
about NDAA (rightfully so), but now you pretend it is OK???

The Liberals and Libertarians attempted to end indefinite detention, read the
article.


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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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A liberal signed it in to law that no one can change

The End.

And yeah how bout stop being a hypocrite.


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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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There's only one oligarchy, they divide themselves into "parties" for show and to help reinforce the "my team-your team" conditioning. Anyone who thinks there is any difference whatsoever (besides rhetoric) between the two parties pays no attention at all. For example, I saw a car today with a "No War" sticker, a "No Forced Vaccines" sticker and dead center between the two: "Obama/Biden". Obviously someone with far more heart than brains and very open to flowery language. That person will probably continue to be tricked their entire life. Most do.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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"Freedom, The Founding Fathers and Liberty" is all a marketing scheme.


Yes, that's all that the GOP is, well except for the part about destroying our country and taking us back to the 1800's. I'm glad someone else noticed.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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A liberal signed it in to law that no one can change

The End.

And yeah how bout stop being a hypocrite.



And over 95% of Republicans failed to do anything about it when they had the
chance,

Cough - Checks and balances

And I agree, stop being a hypocrite Neo
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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by CB328



"Freedom, The Founding Fathers and Liberty" is all a marketing scheme.


Yes, that's all that the GOP is, well except for the part about destroying our country and taking us back to the 1800's. I'm glad someone else noticed.


They destroy things on purpose and then they leverage themselves in a way so they
can benefit from the destruction they engineer. That is all they have, period



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by TruthSeekerMike
There's only one oligarchy, they divide themselves into "parties" for show and to help reinforce the "my team-your team" conditioning. Anyone who thinks there is any difference whatsoever (besides rhetoric) between the two parties pays no attention at all. For example, I saw a car today with a "No War" sticker, a "No Forced Vaccines" sticker and dead center between the two: "Obama/Biden". Obviously someone with far more heart than brains and very open to flowery language. That person will probably continue to be tricked their entire life. Most do.


I agree to a small extent,,, but I think this focus on national security cannot be attributed to
that. It is a cultural manifestation which is why the votes occur.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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Why didn't Obama veto this when he had the chance?



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:09 PM
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The president already had the power to detain you this is nothing more then a restatement of that fact.However if your a US citizen it doesnt apply to you because you are allowed due process.This only applies to non us citizens so if your here illegally you may have something to worry about.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Why didn't Obama veto this when he had the chance?


No he actually wanted the bill to pass it gives him an excuse to keep terrorists out of US court system.It mandates terrorists to be tried by the military.This is the key point of the bill really not to mention funding for handling the detainees.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Why didn't Obama veto this when he had the chance?


Probably because the GOP would have accused him of being against national security?

That is what I think you guys would have accused him of here if he vetoed the appropriation
for defense?

Why didn't the GOP do it since they have been using NDAA as a marketing tool they
claim to oppose?

If they joined the DEMs the reversal would have passed by a 97% margin
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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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However if your a US citizen it doesnt apply to you because you are allowed due process.This only applies to non us citizens


This has been proven false over and over again and it really pisses me off to keep seeing it because Americans need to know the truth of just how critically in danger we are of losing our freedom.

President Obama said himself that he was uncomfortable with the provision that would allow for the indefinite detention of Americans without due process. He attaches signing statements that he and his administration would never utilize the provision and then signed it anyway. How comforting that he won't betray us but will not protect us from any future President.

A judge this past week ruled the provision unconstitutional, something Congress seemed to be completely unaware of as they struck down a revision of the NDAA to remove section 1021. In the lawsuit brought against Obama and members of his administration, the governments own failure to be able to say under oath that no American would be detained without due process is what lead to the judge's decision to rule as she did.

Wake up America.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 01:55 AM
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Wow

These Tea Party, wanna be freedom lovers are not only hypocrites, they
are fascists that lie about everything.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 01:57 AM
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What happened to liberty? We traded it for safety. And as a wise man once said that, in doing this, we lose both and deserve neither.

~Heff



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 02:09 AM
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The GOP didn't just "uphold" the NDAA - they WROTE it.

Senators John McCain and Carl Levin (both Republicans) wrote the bill. Obama signed it but exclaimed he signed it "under reservation". The defense bill would have been held up otherwise.

Senators Demand the Military Lock Up of American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window


The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.


You won't ever hear the TP or the GOP or the neocons admit that they were the ones who wrote the NDAA and the indefinite detention of Americans on a "battlefield" (wherever they arbitrarily decide one is).
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