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Dear Mathematicians.. a question for you.

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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Thus, if your sphere is measured and calculated in miles. then what is created is 1 mile thick cylindrical slabs placed 1 untop the other in increments of 1 mile to the centre


Why? I see nothing to suggest that. Nothing in the formula equates to a stepped sphyramid.




posted on May, 19 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by 0mage
 




Thus, if your sphere is measured and calculated in miles. then what is created is 1 mile thick cylindrical slabs placed 1 untop the other in increments of 1 mile to the centre


Why? I see nothing to suggest that. Nothing in the formula equates to a stepped sphyramid.


A fractal of a cylindrical stepped pyramid is indeed what it is.

examine the behaviour of the value for Radius

say we have a sphere with a radius of 10 miles and miles is the standard unit of measure throughout the equation

the equation creates the area of the first circle using a radius of 1 mile
the area of that circle is then multiplied by the height 1mile which gives the volume for a 1mile high cylinder

the equation then creates a second circle with a radius of 2 miles and places it untop the first. this second circle is then also multiplied by a height of 1mile to gain the volume of the second cylinder level

it repeats this in increments of 1 mile in radius per cylinder for each mile along the radius height. thus each cylinder has a radius value of 1 whole mile (not a small number especially as it is multiplied when dealing with spheres of 1000, 10000 miles etc)

It would create a cylindrical step edged object which i can represent in 2d like this

the following production is dissected vertically cylinder slabs starting at the bottom right quarter of the so-called ball.




^
|10__________________| 10mile radius
|__________________|
|________________|
|______________|
|____________|
|__________| 5mile radius cylinder with 1 mile in height!
|________| 4mile radius 1 mile indented
|______| 3mile radius
|____| 2mile radius
|__| 1mile radius of half of sphere

It will continue this until it has completed the full length of the 10miles(steps) for the vertical height of the radius and will then start decreasing in radius back to 1 to create half of the so-called sphere.
the total volumes of all the half cylinders is then multiplied by 2 to get the whole sphere by mirror imaging or fractal.

as you can see each step carries with it a 1 mile indentation of the sphere which works out to be like a 3d pie shaped ring around the sphere is missing and indented with empty space.

One would think this should be counted to get the true volume of any size sphere? what is a universal equation if it isnt universal?

just above in the previous post i have mathematically proven that this is the process that the equation engages in to draw a sphere. the result is inaccurate sufficiently to be significant! The implications

such a sphere could create miscalculated drag in spinning sphere simulations which accommodate wind resistance or other frictionable environments in computer processing and more. much much more.



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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Take the largest of the measures
And I’ll let you in on mathematical treasures




you speak of treasures my friend
but i know of treasures without end



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 04:15 AM
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kites have a tail for a reason



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 04:41 AM
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I have another Math question for you all. A word Problem.

Three Men who are traveling stop for the night at the only Motel they can find with a Vacancy sign lit.

They go to the desk and ask for three rooms...the clerk says he has one roomleft with two single beds and a roll out couch bed.

The men ask how much....the clerk says $30 for the night. The Men say they will take it and give the clerk $10 each.

A Manager passes by as the Men leave the desk area and head to their room. The Manager asks what room the clerk rented....the clerk says room 104. The Manager who is very honest tells the clerk...that room is supposed to rent for only $25 for the next two weeks as the rug is being replaced and only an old worn tile floor is in it as the rug has already been removed. The manager giver the clerk 5 One Dollar Bills and tells the clerk to return the $5 to the Men. On the way to the room the clerk wonders how he can divide 5 one dollar bills without change to the Men equally so he decides to keep $2 and give each Man back $1 each. He does this.
Now each man paid $10 each to start...they each got back $1 so they each spent $9 each...there are 3 Men so the Men spent a total of $27 Dollars for the room...the clerk kept $2 out of the $5 the manager gave him. $27 plus $2 the clerck kept is $29....WHERE IS THE THIRTIETH DOLLAR? Split Infinity



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:10 AM
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They paid 25 for the room plus 2 to the clerk, for a total cost of 27 and that accounts for everything
30 original dollars, 3 to each man, 2 to the clerk = 25, the cost of the room

it's all in the way you tell it



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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the equation creates the area of the first circle using a radius of 1 mile

No, it does not.




the equation then creates a second circle with a radius of 2 miles and places it untop the first.

No, it does not. You do this, not the equation. Why do you have these one mile increments? Does a radius have a diameter? Not that I'm aware of. A radius has length only. There is no reason for what you are doing.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by 0mage
 




the equation creates the area of the first circle using a radius of 1 mile

No, it does not.




the equation then creates a second circle with a radius of 2 miles and places it untop the first.

No, it does not. You do this, not the equation. Why do you have these one mile increments? Does a radius have a diameter? Not that I'm aware of. A radius has length only. There is no reason for what you are doing.


He doesn't know what he's doing. He just went to a website, now he's a PhD ya know



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by 0mage
 




the equation creates the area of the first circle using a radius of 1 mile

No, it does not.




the equation then creates a second circle with a radius of 2 miles and places it untop the first.

No, it does not. You do this, not the equation. Why do you have these one mile increments? Does a radius have a diameter? Not that I'm aware of. A radius has length only. There is no reason for what you are doing.


The hardened minds of men not true
when thoughts are stagnated with glue

there are 3 radii in a sphere. radius1 x axis, radius 2 y axis, radius 3 z axis. where the z axis is the height of half a sphere.

It can also be explained to have 3 diameters along an x, y and z axis.

I will explain no more. all of the calculations and explanations have been posted. It is indeed the equation which draws the sphere this way while u imagine a smooth sphere as the result. u have thus been tricked just as 'splitinfinity's" problem above. The equation is created by finding volume of a circumscribed cylinder and multiplying it by 2/3 to get the volume for the sphere. the cylinder volume is discovered by using area of a circle multiplied by Radius Height (z axis). If radius is measured in Miles as a standard unit of measure then the cylinder slabs are 1 mile thick/high I have explained this in more ways than one. you all have fallen for that same trick. u imagine that the height 1 has no height at all? then you must walk a mile and tell me the distance you have travelled.

My calculations are sound, and though i have already solved the problem tested true forwards and backwards in all manner of cross-check to be absolutely correct. this is not the pinnacle of achievement. oh no.. this is just the tip of the proverbial ice berg friends.

For I have discovered a truth that will create motors that expunge no harmful exhaust. And energy which feeds itself continuously whilst producing work. But if you cannot understand this simple thing i can go no further.

It is you that must examine further my teachings. It is your own perception to blame!


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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by 0mage


there are 3 radii in a sphere. radius1 x axis, radius 2 y axis, radius 3 z axis. where the z axis is the height of half a sphere.


ummm nooooooo, there are infinitely many radii in a sphere, that's what makes it a sphere

"Sphere- a three-dimensional closed surface consisting of all points that are a given distance from a center". That "given distance" is the radius

Seriously dewd? Seriously??



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by 0mage

For I have discovered a truth that will create motors that expunge no harmful exhaust. And energy which feeds itself continuously whilst producing work. But if you cannot understand this simple thing i can go no further.



uh huh... then why aren't you out building all that instead of posting to a message board in bad rhymes?



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
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the equation creates the area of the first circle using a radius of 1 mile

No, it does not.




the equation then creates a second circle with a radius of 2 miles and places it untop the first.

No, it does not. You do this, not the equation. Why do you have these one mile increments? Does a radius have a diameter? Not that I'm aware of. A radius has length only. There is no reason for what you are doing.


He doesn't know what he's doing. He just went to a website, now he's a PhD ya know


If that is your deduction I will leave this topic here. Perhaps I shall take these mysteries with me into the netherrealm and leave man to squabble over pennies with war, pestilence and death. It would seems that such is the enjoyment of man. no?



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by 0mage

For I have discovered a truth that will create motors that expunge no harmful exhaust. And energy which feeds itself continuously whilst producing work. But if you cannot understand this simple thing i can go no further.



uh huh... then why aren't you out building all that instead of posting to a message board in bad rhymes?


why should i? just as all the greats before i have chosen to conceal my work. I shall not release another iota. for my projects wont be shutdown due to corruption or project theft as suffered the late Nikola Tesla no! my price is much higher. An end to Capitalism itself across the globe is my price. and thus and end to war and enslavement!

As long as man succumbs to the rule of these evil lords, this knowledge will be feint from sight just as the phallic regarded pi.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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Perhaps I shall take these mysteries with me into the netherrealm


The only mystery here is how you have managed to completely confuse yourself on this. Be careful around your motors, it appears their exhaust is having quite an effect.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Dear 0mage,

I hope you don't mind if I don't answer in rhyme. I have enough trouble choosing my words as it is ;] I'm not a mathematician but do have some affinity with math, so I'm giving it a shot.

The formula for the volume of a sphere - 4/3 * pi * r^3 - is nothing more than an integral of 'one circumference over another', as you aptly put it. A description of integrals by Wikipedia:


The notation ∫ f( x ) dx conceives the integral as a weighted sum, denoted by the elongated s, of function values, f(x), multiplied by infinitesimal step widths, the so-called differentials, denoted by dx.


The crux of this thread and the point of disagreement as I see it is the step widths of the the integral. As you see it, the step width is the 'smallest unit of measure', or 1 unit in the quantity in which the radius is measured. So, when calculating the volume of a sphere with a radius of 10 miles, the step widths/heights are 1 mile. However, the way integrals work is by infinitesimal step widths, i.e. step widths as small as possible: not 1 mile, but 0.00000....00001 mile. In other words, where you say the calculation has 10 slabs/discs for a half a 20 mile sphere, the definition states the amount of discs is near infinite: 10 mile divided by an infinitesimally small number.

There are a number of ways to prove this, but I think the easiest is this: for a sphere with a radius of 1 mile, according to you the calculation simply gives twice the volume of a slab/cylinder of 1 mile (right?). This would be 2 (halves) * 1 mile (height) * pi * 1 mile squared (radius) = 2 pi cubic mile, say around 6.28 cubic mile. However, the actual formula gives 4/3 * pi * 1 mile cubed = 1.333 pi cubic mile, or around 4.19 cubic mile. That's a huge difference!

Does that suffice, or will we venture deeper into the rabbit's hole?



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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For a non mathematician u've done quite well to discern my message. we will attribute ur understanding to ur ability in reading & comprehension.

I shall continue..

now we must examine the behaviour of 'infinitesimal' as we draw closer to understanding the true shape.

bare in mind that we cannot achieve a perfect circle with the use of pi in our calculations for one simple fact. Rounding of the number from it's infinite progression down to 3.14 for use in calculations will remove the highest detail from the drawing of the circle. Thus the circle does not perfectly bend back upon it's original starting point and misses it by as much of the decimal places as you have dropped off during the rounding process. even such a circle has one jagged edge at its point of origin.

in the equations current state. the most you can do is perform the rounding further down the infinite decimal value for pi to get closer to a perfect circle. such that it is almost imperceivable that the glitch is there. but every mathematician knows that it is. Never will it be perfect! as no matter what point you round-off at, great detail has been cut out. and noone can use an infinite decimal in any form of logical computing. this entity itself is 'illogical'. yet relied upon heavily in what is considered 'logical science'.

but this thread was not aimed at de-structuring pi's inaccuracy which i will consider us adventuring in another thread. but in fact will hopefully bring light to the phallacy of infinitesimal on the whole in 'modern' mathematics.

I will state that wherever there is an infinite decimal used in calculation, such calculations are inaccurate. this include .33(1/3), .66 (2/3).

revisiting the equation for volume of a sphere we see it is nothing more than a cylinder which contains half a sphere being mirrored. to define that sphere we will be using a 2/3s graditent curve across a cubed gradient to give a 3d half sphere. once again the operator has been modified from it's infinite progression of ".666666666.....666.." this stipulates that the gradient is not perfect and not even when the second half is mounted after multiplying by 2 will a perfect sphere be formed. in no area does the equation produce perfection. simply we have been forced to work with what is an acceptable imperfect creation.

where then is infinitesimal if it has been cut off by a rounded figure for use in calculation? again the curve is inaccurate in design of a perfect circle or sphere. tho seemingly acceptable when using small simulations. in a very large environment this sphere will have jagged edges for each level.

Even if you were to assume that the gradient curve for half a cricle/sphere was smooth. there would still be a jagged glitch when the two exactly copied halves are combined. there is no precision in this equation as it relies heavily on estimation.

thus since the equation does create stacked cylindrical discs in an orderly fashion using step by step progression. the gradient curve on the externals of each of those discs misses the precise point of conjuction with the one above it which results in lost space for every unit of radius measurement it uses to calculate a disc. This is how the equation acts. it does not magically produce a complete sphere. it does so in steps of progression for each cylinder. and steps is indeed what it produces if one were to observe with the finest detail. but it would be easier to notice using a very large sphere. the jagged edges would be very apparent in such a case at each new step.

maybe it is a little bit clearer now? u must think big. thus magnify what is small to see it's true attributes.


i have repaired the equation. but it is a great decision to release the solution together with the rest of my mathematical clearings to a world that succumbs to the rule of tyrants. The understanding of creation of a perfect circle or sphere will create a closed loop. this will allow new technology to be created that produces no harmful waste and operates indefinitely without intervention. Such can be used to spread more war and death. just as others i am sure have chosen not to reveal. including einstein's corruption of his works to mislead greed and gullibility. such a solution cannot be released until the world is ready.

neither can one understand this information nor solve it without understanding the need for love/compassion for fellow human beings. even those that are far away in foreign countries. thus no wise man would tell of the solution to this problem in such a sad state of human affairs and relations.
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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by 0mage

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
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the equation creates the area of the first circle using a radius of 1 mile

No, it does not.




the equation then creates a second circle with a radius of 2 miles and places it untop the first.

No, it does not. You do this, not the equation. Why do you have these one mile increments? Does a radius have a diameter? Not that I'm aware of. A radius has length only. There is no reason for what you are doing.


He doesn't know what he's doing. He just went to a website, now he's a PhD ya know


If that is your deduction I will leave this topic here. Perhaps I shall take these mysteries with me into the netherrealm and leave man to squabble over pennies with war, pestilence and death. It would seems that such is the enjoyment of man. no?


L8R T8R



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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an arrow fired from a bow must first
have reached the middle of its hasty flight
but lo! before it travels to that point
must not it travel halfway there as well?
and so this goes, towards infinitude
how could an arrow even move at all?



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by socialist
an arrow fired from a bow must first
have reached the middle of its hasty flight
but lo! before it travels to that point
must not it travel halfway there as well?
and so this goes, towards infinitude
how could an arrow even move at all?


flaw upon flaw
ignored and ignored



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