There Are LOADS Of Jobs Out There, But People Don't Want To Work!

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by DrEugeneFixer

 

Ironically, now you hope to distance yourself from the very collective you've chosen to defend. Any individual can recognize nonsense when they see it. No individual is required to pretend that individuals arguing in defense of collectivism are really individualists because they are individuals.

I don't drink alcohol, but I can understand your desperation at this point.

So who was trying to dictate language?

You raised the issue, but you insist on deflecting and making the conversation about group membership, which is beside the point.

As to the alcohol issue, is that because you are on probation or something?

This thread is rife with fantasy and folks looking down their noses at others.

Reality folks: when someone gets laid off, they probably don't excess funds nor time to apply for, wait for the term to start, and complete a trade school to get the training necessary to get a new job. And to start a business? Seriously?

I need a vehicle that will hold my trade goods.. BUY those expensive tool, advertise, pay for a business license, and supposedly do this in a time frame within my unemployment. Keep in mind.. most people who are laid off do not HAVE TIME to wait a year to get another job. They need our ridiculous countries health insurance plans. I can't get a job for a business that can't offer at least decent basic care. My wife's medications would obliterate my funds. Some of you that live with a nice healthy family don't realize that's not an option for many. Example: I got an infection after getting laid off. Normally, antibiotics are 8 bucks. Off insurance? 70 bucks. Stuff like that adds up very quickly.

It's also laughable that some of you suggest that some people's professions are apparently not "up to snuff" in the real world. So as a computer specialist of 25+ years, I should get an "honorable" trade skill job? How about.. screw off. I worked my butt off learning my trade. It's viable, it's important, and I will not sell out because you feel it's the "right thing" to do. Again.. how about electricians, plumbers and carpenters when out of work, go get a job as a network infrastructure specialist.

For a great # of people who had seemingly solid, pertinent jobs, who were laid off by companies who were willing to compromise their business to save a few bucks, collect all the unemployment you need imo, until you get an EQUITABLE JOB in the SAME FIELD you had previously.

And you can't simply go into business for yourself and make it all better. It's VERY difficult to run a business right now. To start from scratch? Yea.. maybe one out of 1000 could make a success out of it. Like I said.. stop living in fantasy.

Originally posted by Shoonra
There are jobs out there. A good many of them are menial and hard and minimum wage. But, hey, we made a point of sending all those Mexicans back just so you could fulfill your dream of picking lettuce all day in the hot sun. After all, why else did you get that diploma? If you want indoor work, the local hospital needs orderlies to empty bedpans and such; and imagine the respect and dignity you'll be treated with.

Starting this thread with a complaint about not enough plumbers was silly. Plumbers have to serve an apprenticeship and then get a state license; one cannot just jump into that career.

One of the problems is that the student loan program encouraged a lot more kids to go to college and grad school than would have happened otherwise. They (and their parents) are hoping and expecting well-paid professional jobs. Moreover they're saddled with backbreaking student loan debt that they could never pay off picking lettuce. They're waiting and looking for a job commensurate with their education and a paycheck that can put a dent in their debt.

This is exactly the case everywhere.

Plumbers, Electricians, etc.. All have to be one of the following:

1- X amount of school (very low wadges if any while schooling)
2- X amount of experiance
3- VERY costly insurance for every single employee working with/for you.
4- Part of a union or workers organization in some places.
5- Constantly competes with other poor souls trying to get the same jobs in the same broke assed town.
6- Better have a biz license or you're going no where fast.

Even with this, there are still many things that can block or cause a person to miss out on that job, no matter how psyched up about it they may be going into this job venture. It's never as easy as someone says... Not everyone can drink milk, nor can everyone be a plumber, electrician or "techy" savy person. I was fortunate to know what I know, but man.. The amount of picking I had to go through, the amount of teasing while a teen because It was my interest. Today it's normal, almost a walk in the park.. For me growing up, I was a geek, nerd, whatever...

Yeah, someone is going to say.. "But look what you have now"...

money? hahaha money only buys temporary happyness. It goes away as fast as it comes. I can spend a few grand in a week and look back and never feel a single hint of happyness. I can be with someone I love deeply for one day and it will have been worth more millions in a lifetime in that little time.

I think we simply have our heads in the wrong places. Our cares are disturbingly missguided and on the most stupid of things these days...

Also.. as an aside...

Some of you act as if there is a great shortage of electricians, plumbers, etc. There isn't. You are saying it's viable for someone NEWLY out of work, in a short time frame, to learn all they need to know, and purchase what they need to be successful, and then COMPETE with already established businesses. Again.. fantasy. Not reality.

Even if you work for a "mom and pop" store - many require you to have your own tools. You still need to have training. They are not going to let you waltz in without knowing a thing and hire you. That doesn't happen. I don't know what reality some of you are living in, but it's not the same one I live in.

reply to post by fleabit


I agree with you. When getreadyalready put down my profession it really made me think. Where would we be without psychologists,counselors,school counselors, college instructors, mentors,vocational counselors, hiring managers, a lot of non profit jobs and mental health techs. We would have a lot more homeless, a lot more people do crazy things, no help looking for jobs, no guidance from guidance counselors at school, no one to teach the psychlogists and well our society would be more insane than it is now. Oh yeah and no one to hire people for the jobs. Many hiring managers have a social service, communications or a general psychology degree.
If you reaseearch the history of psychology you will see how we evolved mentally the more the psychological feild devoloped. There are no useless jobs or professions. Even that Mcdonalds job is not worthless just not realistic for every single person.

People don't want to work because the many jobs available are career killers. I work for 220$ which in my currency is enough for a man to meet a month's needs. I use to work for even less. In the west they often talk about the 50K package which we have barely heard about. I am highly qualified with certification and professional expertise. The fact is there are not many jobs here which actually recognizes you and needs your expertise. So you end up ultimately in a low paying job. It may meet your needs but once in a while you feel that you have done little justice to your abilities.

Originally posted by LastProphet527

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
reply to post by LastProphet527

 

Why isn’t this thread in the joke section?

Because RNC and Fox News disinformation talking points are taken seriously in some venues where reality doesn't matter.

edit on 19-5-2012 by LilDudeissocool because: (no reason given)

The government-programmed system is designed, for the populace to believe that it's a job for every able body American to obtain, and live as not of a 'drug addition' fix in life.

Sure, it is a job for every American, that is if you want to have 2 to 4 kids living on an income of 23,000 or less working under what your education level is suppose to provide. As you thought.

In all do respect to life and America…some where in time they forgot that rent various in the lowest common dominator of what…1,000 for a one or 2 bedroom, not including water, gas ,food, transportation, common need’s just to survive until the next' fix 'of none **free will**** like the worker ant!.

They forgot about the 99% and the evolved matrix of time, money, and the whole survival ratio of just trying to make it with the thought process of just looking out for the 1% that inherits votes and oil, and underhanded business decisions… as if the 1% can run the economy by them selves…and that’s the funny thing!

You cannot imagine how may college grades that did 4 years of college who are now working minus wage jobs, you cannot imagine the REAL significant on how 10 million jobs have been lost and the effect it had on those 10 million people.

You cannot imagine, and God can’t even imagine how people with power that say f(*& the middle class and poor people, who are cursed with sin of gluttony, greed envy and pure hatred of one another on this earth.

One day the 99% will see that the government looks at them the same way as the king looked out the window-seeing peasants with pitchforks and shovels’ groveling and picketing at the castle doors /

Revolution

Originally posted by LastProphet527
Lp527
The humans and, scientist, and urban language will give you a scenario of life and say. *Time repeats it self* but the truth is. **Time never goes anywhere** time has never repeated it self ***where just repeating time***

Awesome predetermination book material!


fineartbymary.com...

Is the OP trolling for the Barry Soetoro re-election campaign ?

Yes ... I think so !

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by cetaphobic
Wow
This thread has a lot of unabashed morons

No wonder all jobs went to china with this mentality

This is not a one day solution people
Where's the depth in your thought process? [/quote

You're a jackass!!!]

There was a time when wealthy poeple and untrapanuers believed in the American worker. Henry Ford beleived that if he paid his workers a living wage they would buy his cars. He paid his workers $5 a day and people called him nuts for doing so. You know what? it worked.

My grandfather had an 8th grade education. He was at Ohmah Beach Normandy in WW2. He came from the south to work in Detroits automotive industry after the war. My grandmother also came from the south and she worked at the Warren Tank plant. She hand built parts for the bombs that were dropped on Japan.

I once beleived in the American dream. I thought I'd follow in my grandparents footsteps and work in the factories. At one point I was making $16 an hour until all of the jobs in my area disapeared.

There are over a billion cell phones in the world and not one of them was made in the United States. Apple just opend a $1,000,000,000 Iphone/pod/pad plant in China. They created more jobs at that plant then the US did in January 2011. I walk into clothing stores and department stores and all I see is cheap Chinese junk everywhere.

Who's making the money in this country? Apple can make an Iphone for $25 and charge consumers $600. I'm sick of these rich greedy CEO's that contribute nothing to this country but want to live here and reap all the rewards of being an American. They are the same rich greedy corprate A-holes that Americans keep electing.

I've watched everything my grandparents faught and worked for be destroyed though downsizing and outsourcing so some CEO can increase his bottom line.

The amount of greed in this country is unreal

I collect walfare and I'm not ashamed one bit. Until I can make a living wage in the richest country on earth I will suck the system for everything I can get. Up yours America!

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Uhhh yea i dont want to work, working like we are now is only destroying the world for everyone to consume,
im only 20 and im a qualified tradsman and i cant save money, why would i want to work for jack sht while i watch the politicians sit on there arse and spend our tax money on their holidays, the whole working thing would of been great for our parents but its not sustainable and things are getting worse and worse, its easy to say we should all be working when you have yourself a nice paying job that gives you luxuries, theres to many buisneses already all running the world down to make themselves rich, what a joke working sucks.

there isnt loads of jobs out there. scotland/ uk is as bad if not worse. europe is def worse. opinions like yours really bug me. its that bad here the job centres are shutting down... yeah the people who help you find work and sign you on to jsa, welfare to americans, are being fired.every week another company goes bust and another 5-10 thousand people are jobless. what you said is what the tory goverment said here. "people dont want to work" the same tory goverment wich is cutting police forces army , nhs (hospital),raising the cost of living freezing pay, raising taxes.

when this situation reaches you, and it will. i look forward to your views on here.

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by Thunder heart woman

 

There is nothing wrong with working at mcdonalds but that is not the answer for everyone. I have an anti body disorder where I have to limit my exposure to viruses. I also can't do some of the more demanding tasks because of my suppressed immune system.
i don't feel sorry for myself I am just realistic on what I can do. I follow the Drs orders because so far he has been right and I have been sick A LOT less often.
It is basically like saying to a diabetic eat all the sugar you want nothing will happen to you. We all know that is not true.

edit on 20-5-2012 by dreamseeker because: (no reason given)

I understand this. I really do. I struggle to work often when my legs and arms are in pain. I cannot get disability until I can no longer walk, see, or function basically. So it bothers me when I see healthy people choosing welfare as a lifestyle, and I do see that all of the time around me. I have taken some nudges about working for fast food as an older woman but I do what I need to do. Times are tough so I roll up sleeves and keep going. But I do understand there are people who cannot work these jobs... this is why I'm back in school. I know that I will need higher education to get anywhere because if this disease takes my legs, then I still have to work in some capacity.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by redrose123

I DECIDED not to have kids until I could afford them
Why would I put a kid through a low income with litle food and clothing?
I would consider myself a horrible father if I did that mistake

Maybe it's just me but I'm finding it extremely difficult to believe that you would care much about being a "horrible father," seeing as how you're already a horrible person anyway. You seem a lot like just another one of those guys who knows everything about everything and is much better than the rest of us yet you've done nothing to turn this country around, if you're really so great I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be all of that difficult a feat for you. So rather than coming here to tell us all just how much better than ourselves you are, why don't you prove it by going out there and actually changing our government for the better? Oh, what's that? You can't? Why not? Many would argue that doing so wouldn't be all that much more difficult than finding a job and seeing as to how you are an expert at that, I fail to see the issue...

reply to post by fleabit


What did our ancestors do during the depression? Did they lay down and die in the road or did they get up and keep walking? Seriously, we think we have it rough today. Try talking to some elders who actually lived it and they will tell you what stone soup really is. I have heard some stories that put our times to shame. We are no where near that level of destitution in this country and we are very lucky in comparison. Sure, we have homeless people and people going hungry, and I want better for them. I don't want them cut off from welfare. But I do want to see healthy able bodied people off their behinds and stop crying about this. Get to work, do what you have to do. For petes sake I had a 14 year old teenage boy at my door this morning asking me if I needed any work done on our land. He will take anything he said, just to work, but I see grown men sitting around crying and taking welfare? I don't get it. I never will.

reply to post by ModernAcademia
Welcome to the united snakes, land of the thief, home of the slave. The grand imperial guard where the dollar is sacred, and power is god.
-Brother Ali Goddamn uncle Sam.

Yes theres jobs. My friends and I all have jobs. Pay sucks, no benefits,bad hours and no real advancement but sure theres jobs.

Originally posted by fleabit
This thread is rife with fantasy and folks looking down their noses at others.

Reality folks: when someone gets laid off, they probably don't excess funds nor time to apply for, wait for the term to start, and complete a trade school to get the training necessary to get a new job. And to start a business? Seriously?

I need a vehicle that will hold my trade goods.. BUY those expensive tool, advertise, pay for a business license, and supposedly do this in a time frame within my unemployment. Keep in mind.. most people who are laid off do not HAVE TIME to wait a year to get another job. They need our ridiculous countries health insurance plans. I can't get a job for a business that can't offer at least decent basic care. My wife's medications would obliterate my funds. Some of you that live with a nice healthy family don't realize that's not an option for many. Example: I got an infection after getting laid off. Normally, antibiotics are 8 bucks. Off insurance? 70 bucks. Stuff like that adds up very quickly.

It's also laughable that some of you suggest that some people's professions are apparently not "up to snuff" in the real world. So as a computer specialist of 25+ years, I should get an "honorable" trade skill job? How about.. screw off. I worked my butt off learning my trade. It's viable, it's important, and I will not sell out because you feel it's the "right thing" to do. Again.. how about electricians, plumbers and carpenters when out of work, go get a job as a network infrastructure specialist.

For a great # of people who had seemingly solid, pertinent jobs, who were laid off by companies who were willing to compromise their business to save a few bucks,


And you can't simply go into business for yourself and make it all better. It's VERY difficult to run a business right now. To start from scratch? Yea.. maybe one out of 1000 could make a success out of it. Like I said.. stop living in fantasy.

edit on 20-5-2012 by fleabit because: (no reason given)

This perfectly summarizes the point the original poster is trying to make. His point is there are jobs available IF YOU WANT ONE.

You however, seem to feel that everyone is entitled to:

collect all the unemployment you need imo, until you get an EQUITABLE JOB in the SAME FIELD you had previously.

And this is exactly the problem. You and those in agreement with you seem to think that the world should conform to your wishes, and simply present you with the job you want, just because you want it. Problem is, the world doesn't work that way. The world doesn't conform to you. YOU must conform to the WORLD.

Now, fleabit, I am not trying to pick on you, or call you out specifically. I am using your post as an example of the other side of the argument, which you are definitely not alone over on that side, you just simply phrased it nicely and that is why I am quoting you. I do mean to respectfully disagree, and show the opposite side, not be nit-picky and rude.

In order for a society to prosper, majority should have meaningful jobs. Jobs that create measurable added -value and measurable end product. This would necessitate meaningful salaries.The only purpose of money is to serve as an exchange medium between two parties exchanging added value. Money could also be used as a promisary note to exchange such a value in future, or accumulate exchange value as an asset. If your job doesn`t create any measurable value, or doesn`t require specific tooling and education that would lead to creation of such value, there is no need for an employer to pay you high salary. There is a simple reason - abundancy of substitute workforce.
Now to the problem. US has laid of millions of workers from meaningful manufacturing sectors and substituted this sector with vapourware service sector, mostly retail- selling added -value created in Asia. By working in service sector, for example, as a salesclerk doesn`t necessitate high salary . This leads to low purchasing power a.k.a. parity. If majority of populus has low purchasing power it reflects upon remaining skilled workforce. Taking it into simple terms, the added value of skilled workforce has no milieu of exchange, or they have no customers to apply their skills and increased hourly pay to. For example, if GM lays off thousands of workers that earned 45$ an hour , they will most likely find a job in service sector for about 10$ an hour. If majority earns these 10 bucks an hour, it creates problems for manufacturers of cars, yachts, housing, etc. They simply have no customers to sell their products to. It later nosedives in catch 22. Their only solution would be exporting all goods abroad. But it is hard to do because US products, especially in hi -precision manufacturing field are subpar/inferior to imports.
So it leaves the economy to shrinking even more. And as hi -tech manufacturing demands many years of accumulated expertise and resources, once the companies like Kodak are wiped out , they are not going to return. That is how we get not a single japanese photocamera manufacturer going defunct, but all US manufacturers in the same sector constantly going south. Pushing up digital daisies.The same principle applies to US based TV, wirstwatch, consumer electronics, industrial robot and workbench, train, motorbike manufacturers as well. You name it, and US doesn`t make it.
The people in general should have equality of exchange of addded value. In society of WallMart clerks, it is hard to demand ubiquitous availability of 200 a day plumbers jobs. The small pockets or rich slackers who could hire these slightly conceited I -charge-bla-bla-bla-an-hour pros don`t constitute a serious slice of the pie, which rather looks like a seasonal wadi with too many fish in it. This is what makes China superrich- doesn`t matter how low the salaries are, if the exchange of added value happens, the country gets more prosperous be it 5 dollars an hour engineer versus a 2 dollars an hour janitor. Money doesn`t have value, its power of being a mediator of creating value is all that matters. And you can throw trillions and gazillions out of Bernankes nightmares, if you don`t have people who bake, stirfry, sweep floors and chisiel sculptures, you don`t have an economy at all.

I absolutely agree. There are jobs. There are also lots of people who have learned how to work the system to get welfare, etc. and would rather do that than be employed. Studies in other countries have shown that entitlement programs just create more people getting entitlements.