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Hawaii to Arizona "Prove You Need It"

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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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reply to post by BlueStatePatriot
 


I'm on neither side of this, as it really has little to do with me to be quite honest. Would just like to point out that this does not confirm its authentic. If a test comes up negative, all it means is that the test is negative. Don't stretch it further then it is. As far as digital character recognition goes, all this really proves is that if it is a forgery, it's a good one. With something this huge, I wouldn't expect it to be provable by these means even if it were a forgery




posted on May, 20 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by neo96



Gee, I never hear you slam Wall Street, but again, that is point of focusing on a small portion of a large group to discredit the whole.


That is hilarious for the simple reason that unions have their pensions and those evil corporations pensions invested in Wall Street.

Go on attack Wall Street then what are they going to do for their retirements eh?

Blah


And those corporations have money to invest because pensioners provide them with the capital

dooh



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Oh please you have to provide a link for that because you're the only one believing it. Oh boy, still this this Sheesh I dont even know what this is.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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reply to post by braindeadconservatives
 


We were in the black when Clinton left office.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
 


We were in the black when Clinton left office.


I know, I think it is by design actually -

You can pay off corporate powers with public money and then point you
finger at "government" all the while ignoring that it was your governance
that is the actual problem.

In short the worse you do to America, the better it is for your chances
of reelection because you can rally against things you actually design.

It's a slick setup



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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No we were not in the black after Clinton guess people forget this nation still had a 6 trillion dollar deficit

and the also seem to forget Clinton stealing over 150 billion dollars from social security.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by BlueStatePatriot
www.alan.com...

Hahahah. Hawaii just handed Arizona a major slap.

Because Obama has shown his birth certificate to the entire American people. Link Please

And experts have analyzed it. Link Please

And they confirmed it is authentic. Link Please

Hawaii is asking the deseprate Arizona to prove they need to see it.

prove they need to see it AGAIN

AGAIN


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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
No we were not in the black after Clinton guess people forget this nation still had a 6 trillion dollar deficit

and the also seem to forget Clinton stealing over 150 billion dollars from social security.


During Clinton Neo, it is called a surplus and a budgetary surplus can exist with deficit

liability



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
 


We were in the black when Clinton left office.


Where do people keep getting this idea?

According to the "Debt to the Penny" report on www.treasurydirect.gov, the total public debt outstanding on
January 5, 1993 was $4.169 Trillion and on December 29, 2000 it was $5.662 Trillion.

If you do a little homework, you'll find that there's a BIG difference between a FEDERAL BUDGET SURPLUS versus accumulated NATIONAL PUBLIC DEBT.

It's called accounting voodoo.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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Five Star skunk urinating contest going on here.

Taken from the link at the opening post:
www.alan.com...


Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work.

Wisch says as soon as Bennett gives Hawaii adequate authority, the Aloha State will verify Obama’s birth.



Then we read that Arizona SOS Bennett is claiming:
tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...


On Thursday, Bennett said he sent his request to Hawaii officials eight weeks ago but has yet to get the proof he was hoping for. He said he didn’t want another copy of the birth certificate. He wants Hawaii to give him what he described as “a verification in lieu of a certified copy of a birth certificate.”

In the weeks since then, Bennett said, Hawaii officials have forced him to provide proof that he is who he says he is. They asked him to send them copies of the Arizona laws that prove the secretary of state really is the person in charge of handling the ballots. Admittedly, Bennett said they told him they were “tired of all the requests.” But he is continuing anyway.


Gee, I think Bennett ought to be the one saying he tired of all the requests.

Wow! This really angers me because I really hate having to jump through hoops. Hawaii is really looking like anal bureaucrats here. So they are tired of all the requests? There shouldn't be more than 50 states with authorities who have the responsibility to insure the candidates for the POTUS are eligible for the job and it sounds like AZ may be the only state asking. Sorry, to put you out Hawaii, but that's your job.

Really he should ask for ALL the candidates to send a certified copy of their BC All states should be doing that anyway. Is that such a big deal??? Not unless you are hiding something.

Another election with no real vetting.





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posted on May, 20 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Bennett is a royal dickweed

He keeps asking for something he has already seen - further more, he is asking
for things that he doesn't need. He is playing politics and I think Hawaii should
wear the SOB down. He can kiss my butt and he can kiss Hawaii's butt too.

He needs to offer proof that he needs it!



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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What kills me reading this entire thread is that people are sticking up for the man in charge as if he's doing a great job or something and that they'd vote for him again. WTF!?!?!? I didn't vote for him last time because of reasons other than birther issues and I won't vote for him next time just because I think he's done a terrible job. I don't know what country these backers are living in. There either delusional or ATS has a ton of 1%ers on here posting because they love the way he has kept money in their pockets.
My vote in 2012 will be for NOBAMA! OMG=Obama Must Go!
No hard feelings but 1 term is enough. I don't hate the man. I just don't want a Commander in Chief leading our country when the majority of our soldiers don't support him.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by PMNOrlando
reply to post by neo96
 


What kills me reading this entire thread is that people are sticking up for the man in charge as if he's doing a great job or something and that they'd vote for him again. WTF!?!?!? I didn't vote for him last time because of reasons other than birther issues and I won't vote for him next time just because I think he's done a terrible job. I don't know what country these backers are living in. There either delusional or ATS has a ton of 1%ers on here posting because they love the way he has kept money in their pockets.
My vote in 2012 will be for NOBAMA! OMG=Obama Must Go!
No hard feelings but 1 term is enough. I don't hate the man. I just don't want a Commander in Chief leading our country when the majority of our soldiers don't support him.





"Democracy" (means "Priest rule")

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage."
--Attributed to Scottish History Professor at University of Edinburgh Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813) and others

"...often the most tyrannical government
on earth."
--Noah Webster

Democracy can be explained as "two wolves and a lamb, voting on what to have for dinner" or "A political system calculated to make an intelligent minority subject to the will of the stupid."
--Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)



Your vote doesn't matter!!!!


"Stop and think for a moment as to voting. When you vote for an office to be filled in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA or one of its SUB-CORPORATIONS (THE STATE OF TEXAS), you have voted to fill a fictional corporate position designed to represent the CORPORATION, not a political position to represent the people. All elections in the "United States" are nothing more than proxy fights in a board room!"
--Ed: Brannum (Secretary of Privatization;
Provisional Government; Republic of Texas)


AND.........


A voter's vote
is a recommendation only
Votes are counted at a poll
or polling station.
"Poll" is defined as an inquiry
into public opinion.


You are merely offering your OPINION, it matters not as the Congress elects the "President" of the Corporate "U.S." You really need to stop buying into all this BS and DO something constructive like telling the local policy enforcement officers (Police) to leave you the heck alone and mind their own damn business and telling the local, state and federal "governments", to do the same!!! File a UCC-1 and a security agreement and reclaim your true sovereignty and then tell them to piss off!! We have "Unalienable" rights and NOT inalienable. We live in the these united states of America and NOT the United States of America. Spelling and language MATTER!!!!

All references from this site and others...

www.usavsus.info...



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by BlueStatePatriot
www.alan.com...

Hahahah. Hawaii just handed Arizona a major slap.

Because Obama has shown his birth certificate to the entire American people.

And experts have analyzed it.

And they confirmed it is authentic.

Hawaii is asking the deseprate Arizona to prove they need to see it.

prove they need to see it AGAIN

AGAIN


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After thinking about it, I say Arizona is acting kind of stupid. Why is it their job to prove Oboma's bc is real. They look stupid going begging to another state.

If they have question about it, they should be asking Oboma. Oboma's choices are, show the bc, and get on the ballot. Show the bc, and go to prison. Or don't show the bc, and don't get on the ballot.

My guess is he'll fight Arizona in court to get on the ballot without showing his bc, and if he loses he'll run as a write in.

My guess is the bc is fake. Why else would he spend money not to have to show it.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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In respect to the birth certificate issue, I really appreciate the Snopes site. It has been a great resource. Check out this article in regards to the arguments for a false birth certificate vs. a legitimate birth certificate.

www.snopes.com...

www.snopes.com...

www.snopes.com...

And Urban Legends.
urbanlegends.about.com...

Finally, my personal take is that people will believe what they want most to believe. I also think that, given the bitter fight for the Presidency between democratic candidates, and then between Obama and McCain, if it had been true that Obama was constitutionally ineligible to run, he would not be sitting in the White House, he would have been effectively eliminated from running back when Hillary Clinton was neck and neck with him, or even before. That is only my opinion, of course. Everyone is free to have their own.
Peace - AB



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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There's a lot of froth in this thread, I'll try not to add more with a couple of small points.

One, the surplus of umptyleben gazillion dollars that the government had in April. They ALWAYS have a surplus in April, that's when the tax payments come in. An April surplus is expected and meaningless.

Two, why does Arizona need to know about the birth certificate?

B. Any elector may challenge a candidate for any reason relating to qualifications for the office sought as prescribed by law, including age, residency or professional requirements, if applicable.
Arizona Statutes 16-351. AZ Statutes
(Elector means voter) These challenges are to be resolved in court. Certainly, citizenship is a qualification prescribed by law. If Hawaii doesn't even want to send one e-mail to Arizona, I would think any Arizona judge would be strongly tempted to rule Obama ineligible.



posted on May, 20 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by AboveBoard
In respect to the birth certificate issue, I really appreciate the Snopes site. It has been a great resource. Check out this article in regards to the arguments for a false birth certificate vs. a legitimate birth certificate.

www.snopes.com...

www.snopes.com...

www.snopes.com...

And Urban Legends.
urbanlegends.about.com...

Finally, my personal take is that people will believe what they want most to believe. I also think that, given the bitter fight for the Presidency between democratic candidates, and then between Obama and McCain, if it had been true that Obama was constitutionally ineligible to run, he would not be sitting in the White House, he would have been effectively eliminated from running back when Hillary Clinton was neck and neck with him, or even before. That is only my opinion, of course. Everyone is free to have their own.
Peace - AB


See, this is what I find so funny. Obama IS eligible to be president. I even believe that he WAS born in one of the 50 union states which WOULD make him a "Natural Bron Citizen and NOT a "U.S." citizen like John McCain who IS ineligible to hold or run for the office of president.

THE REAL truth is that Obama DOES NOT want anyone to know WHO his REAL father IS on the BC. We know his mother is Stanley Ann Dunham....but who is his real father? WHY are all his scholastic records SEALED? What did he do his college thesis ON? Was it his real father? and if the American public KNEW that and that Obama is a member of the communist/socialist party, would they still want him in office?

There was a thread on ATS a while back that was well documented which provided real hard evidence that his real and true father is in fact Malcolm X. Stanley Ann's flight schedule, college schedule, hotel reciepts and the like were gathered and they put her in the same place as Malcolm X when he was speaking in San Fransisco? Did they get together, as Stanley Ann is a known member of the communist/socialist party too. And why did she move out of Seattle, which back then frowned upon interracial anything?

I think THAT is the bigger picture.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by BlueStatePatriot

Originally posted by neo96
Obama is in reach of winning Arizona in the Nov election.

Maybe but illegals always vote democrat illlegals voting for an illegal!!!!

Rawrrrrrrr!


No we liberals are sitting around laughing as the Arizona hate groups are ruining the GOP or Ron Paul's chances of winning Arizona.

This unproven birtherism is feeding into the hands of Obama giving him the advantage.


You call yourself a liberal. I call you a fool and a possible terrorist and communist...read below..Democracy is dictatorship, is that what you desire for a free republic of honest people?



It is amazing that Liberals sleep through Obama’s long history of relationships with:

1 - The 115 Sangamon gang he shared offices with for years including terrorist Bill Ayers, Communist Michael Klonsky, and anarchist Bernadine Dohrn.

2 - His friends from the Hyde Park neighborhood including Carol Moseley Braun and her Nigeria dictator friend Sani Abacha, Antoin 'Tony' Rezko - Syrian-American mobster convicted of several crimes, who laundered money through a law firm by paying Michelle Obama an insane CEO-like salary, Jeremiah Wright, former Muslim and still radical, Louis Farrakhan of the NOI, Imam Warith Deen Mohammed, and Rashid Khalidi, radical PLO activist, and Jesse Jackson the spawn of the Fannie Mae meltdown (doesn’t sound like Mister Rodgers neighborhood)

3 – His mentors Khalid Al-Monsour, a Saudi businessman representing OPEC who financed Obama’s Harvard education (ever wonder why Obama wants to hammer only USA based oil companies?), and Raila Odingo, a radical Muslim whose followers committed mass murder of Christians and who Barack Obama campaigned for in Kenya.

Amazing the Liberals were still sleeping…

BUT those same liberals wake up and go nuts when an author uses an allegorical tool implying a salacious titillating teaser. While Malcolm X may not be Obama’s biological father, Malcolm X is demonstrably Barack Hussein Obama’s philosophical father, and the lineage is undeniable! Obama Jr. was sired in the social soup stirred by Malcolm X. Now read the whole article and really WAKE UP.



At the end of the page, read the whole of the article...

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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I remember this from the GA eligibility case that if the judge would have sided in favor of the plaintiff his findings would be given to the Secretary of State to make the final call to have him removed from the ballot. The judge doesn't have authority to remove someone who is ineligible, that is the job of the SOS to enforce the judge's decision. I know it is that way in GA and imagine it could be true in most other states, too.

If I was Bennett I would be quite tempted to tell Hawaii to do their own research on the law that gives him the authority to determine eligibility or check his government webpage and read that it is his responsibility.

We have a problem with the vetting in this country. It should be done by the candidate's political party when they announce their nomination and the findings should be given to the SOS (or whoever determines eligibility) in every state. Certified birth certificates should be a requirement. The GOP's and Dems have been relying on the media to vet the candidates.

The GA eligibility case will be heard by the SCOTUS some day and hopefully they will use the opportunity to clarify the definition of natural born citizen.
libertylegalfoundation.org...


Liberty Legal Foundation’s ballot eligibility challenge in Georgia will be the first eligibility case to reach the U.S. Supreme Court on the meaning of the Constitutional term “natural born citizen.” Other eligibility cases have reached the Supreme Court, but all were dismissed on procedural grounds such as lack of standing. LLF’s Georgia case is the first such case to get a ruling on the merits. The Georgia courts reached the wrong conclusion, but the lowest Georgia court did rule on what “natural born citizen” means. Because of that ruling we are able to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to address this ruling, rather than a procedural dismissal.
In other words, we will be the first to give the U.S. Supreme Court an opportunity to confirm that “natural born citizen” means what the Court said it means in its 1874 Minor v. Happersett case.
We’ll post our Supreme Court filing the moment we get it filed.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by BlueStatePatriot

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
That BC he released is an admitted fake. Even his lawyer admitted as much in front of SCOTUS.


And you are helping get Obama re-elected.

Don't you see how you are only hurting yourself?

We liberals are happy you are helping Obama get re-elected.
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You might get happy he gets re-elected, will you be as happy when your rights are COMPLETELY stripped, and this is a communist country??



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