Originally posted by arpgme
If you believe in duality, you believe that EVIL will always exist. You might as well not care about the world, but just yourself and your close ones,
do nothing for the earth.
We'll leave this for now, this is your conclusion, so let's examine the premises first.
If your house has dirty rooms, you can just say "this is duality" and leave it dirty and stay in the clean rooms.
Hmm, really? How is this a conclusion of belief in duality? Looking at the 3 pages of replies, the accepted definition of duality or our ascriptions
of "good" and "bad" are along the lines of Expressivism.
Expressivism is the view that "good" and "bad" are not objective, they are labels that we use from a subjective perception. It shows how one thing
can be "bad" for me, but "good" for you; the labels we apply are relative, as they reflect our own values, which are in turn brought about by own
experiences, upbringing, environment - etc. Essentially, saying something is "bad" is saying "I don't like that", which I agree with. Maybe you
Either way, whether Duality be this subjective application of "good" and "bad" or a reference to objective objects (which I think needs to be
shown to exist...) Why would you say "this is duality" when confronted with a dirty room? If the person in this example feels that a dirty room is a
"negative" thing - then they are simply saying "im not going to do anything about this negative environment" - which has NOTHING to do with a
belief in duality...
To drive the point home on this one, imagine the person is your example is a monist - why would this change whether the person decides to clean the
room or not? I don't think it does - but would be happy to be shown otherwise...
This is a philosophy of cowardice. It can even make you lazy and apathetic.
Again, this is another conclusion - which you have not justified yet, so I am going to continue with the rest of your post...
Karma is heartless and evil. If you believe that if you do good, good will come back to, then you are only doing good for yourself, not from
your heart to help others. If you believe that bad will lead to bad, then you will become unforgiving and merciless.
1) Karma is heartless and evil
2) If you believe that if you do good, good will come back to, then you are only doing good for yourself, not from your heart to help .
3) If you believe that bad will lead to bad, then you will become unforgiving and merciless.
(1) is really the conclusion. Is (1) supported by (2) and (3)? I don't believe it is.
(2) Suggests that people's motives for doing "good" are selfish, rather than altruistic.
(3) Suggests that people would lack empathy or compassion due to the belief that "people get what they deserve".
(2*) - And? Please show how "good" actions require altruistic motives...the onus is on you. I can give an example of a "good" - "selfish"
Consider a homeless person, hungry and asking for change. Person A gives the homeless person money, while on a subconscious level believing / hoping
that because they done that action "good" will come to them. on
Is the homeless person not better off? Are they not now in a position to buy food and rid themselves of hunger pains? Is this not a "good" thing?
I suppose the discussion here is of intent vs consequence. Which would actually lead to a good debate - so please, respond with some substance!
(3*) This cannot be the case. A belief is a belief, a capacity or ability, is just that - an ability. A belief can determine how you EXERCISE that
ability, but cannot remove it. Therefore, to conclude that a belief in "people get what they deserve" would cause everybody to be unforgiving has
yet to be shown.
You need to show how the belief "people get what they deserve" NECESSARILY means that nobody would exercise their ability for empathy. AGAIN, the
onus is on you...
A person can have a SLAVE-LIKE mentality due to karma. They can feel bad about themselves and blame it on karma.
Yeah? Is this not the same for anything?
I didn't do my homework because I was lazy.
I have been brought up to belief in hard work.
Therefore, I feel guilty because I did not work hard.
I then go on to work harder because of my emotion of guilt. Is this not a "slave-like" mentality? If it is, then where are you going with this
point? That's life....its how our brains have evolved. Emotions spur us to act...the emotions are brought about by complex, value-orientated brain
Again, where is your point here?....How does Monism mean we wouldn't behave this way? Why is behaving this way a "bad" thing...
It seems your conclusions are loaded with suppressed value judgements of "this is a bad thing"...which in itself is a dualistic notion - is it not?