If Ron Paul was President, Would You Ever Criticize Him?

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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by yourmaker
why are you so pro establishment jj?


Why not? What do I have to gain to go against them? Why can't I work for them/work with them to help myself and friends and family live well and advance in social class?


so you work for them. Fair enough. But, outside of a paycheck, what legacy are you leaving overall? Sometimes creature comforts of today make for living like a creature tomorrow...you may not be around, but your family will be through generations.

Not saying that being pro-establishment is a bad thing though, if you agree with their politics and long term vision, go for it...but the establishment needs the closest people stabbing them constantly in order to keep their eyes down on the people verses on themselves alone. As a establishment supporter, you should be trying to determine what the party should be like in 50 years from now idealistically and the nation as a whole, which area allows for maximum prosperity. Self interest and family interest alone is the biggest factor in what makes a person corrupt...the desire to build up their social class for themselves and their family. Such pursuits should happen in business, not in politics...




posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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You remind me of the British in America before the revolution, the ones a little better off than the rest in some position of authority. Why would we want to change the system, it seems to be working for my friends and family, who cares about the peasants? Its all about me me me, if I can survive and advance another day than 10 others are justified to starve and die each day.

And to the guy above saying the reason Ron Paul will turn on us is hes been waking people up for 30 years, goodluck being a retard, when you run out of real arguments it sure does help.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
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that RP has said the same thing for 30 years should be evidence that if he becomes president that he will reverse everything.

the point of him is to be a man who commits the greatest betrayal of trust possible.

a doctor who signs authorizations to kill? which happens to be a part of the job description of president.

no one could be as blind as not to see this.


I'm speechless man.

GOOD LUCK AMERICA



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Ron Paul follows the Constitution, Bills of Rights, what do you think about that?



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Then I would get to win every lotto, and have a unicorn ranch because the suspension of realllity has just taken place in this thread. With all them goodies why would I criticize him, I'd be too busy enjoying myself in make believe land.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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I'd criticize any president that did things I don't agree with ..

People that support the current policies of the USA will find lots to criticize ... but

I find their positions immoral and based on their own a narrow self absorbed views .

I'm fascinated by the hubris of the people that support this system of eternal war and tyranny ...

Why do they do it ? From what I can tell it is to a large part fear and sociopathic tendencies .

They fail at being human ... Get the Hate out of your Hearts .

Try to have the open and fair perspective of a mature and responsible adult .

The Era of I'll get mine and screw everyone else is coming to an end .

This is the beginning of the end for War Greed and Tyranny

No amount of avarice will not keep you safe when the nukes begin to fall .

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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Hell yeah ! .....why should I discriminate him, and the next, and the next........
edit on 19-5-2012 by Trueman because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
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that RP has said the same thing for 30 years should be evidence that if he becomes president that he will reverse everything.

the point of him is to be a man who commits the greatest betrayal of trust possible.

a doctor who signs authorizations to kill? which happens to be a part of the job description of president.

no one could be as blind as not to see this.


Doctors sign authorization to kill everyday. What do you think they do when they take someone off life support or issue a plan b pill lol wtf are you talking about? Presidents are not paid killers or mob bosses ready to strike down anyone at any given time.

the point of him is to be a man who commits the greatest betrayal of trust possible



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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What's the difference between Ron Paul's politics and Romney's and Obama's?

edit on 19-5-2012 by Zngland because: sentence construction is suffering, seems to correlate with the amount of stella's i'm enjoying.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX


so you work for them. Fair enough. But, outside of a paycheck, what legacy are you leaving overall? Sometimes creature comforts of today make for living like a creature tomorrow...you may not be around, but your family will be through generations.

Not saying that being pro-establishment is a bad thing though, if you agree with their politics and long term vision, go for it...but the establishment needs the closest people stabbing them constantly in order to keep their eyes down on the people verses on themselves alone. As a establishment supporter, you should be trying to determine what the party should be like in 50 years from now idealistically and the nation as a whole, which area allows for maximum prosperity. Self interest and family interest alone is the biggest factor in what makes a person corrupt...the desire to build up their social class for themselves and their family. Such pursuits should happen in business, not in politics...


I see, you finally realized why I am a republican. Anyway, I am not trying to leave a legacy. I am not trying to see what the country should be like in 50 years "idealistically" I am just trying to live the American Dream become successful and then help any others I can. I want to start a few companies, but we'll see if that happens in the long run.

So I ask you, why suffer in the mud with the peasants when I don't have to? Why can't I help people who I want? Isn't that called individual preference? We are all individuals survival of the fittest! It happens in nature as well as our society. Are you proposing that I share my wealth with everyone, even if I don't want to give it all to those who have not worked as hard as I? Because that's communism and my friend I ain't no communist!



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
But saying stuff for 30 years and actually doing it is a bit different. It's easy to say end the Fed. But if you actually look into the history of the FED which I have. You will see, that it's not going anywhere anytime soon, and nothing Ron Paul has is any better! I suggest you look up wildcat banking on google.


If Ronnie boy took office he's said himself he wouldn't end the Fed overnight but he would do his best to slowly phase it out of our lives. Same could be said for all of his wild promises. It wouldn't happen overnight, or even during his 4 year term but he would do his best to set the wheels in motion to give America real change.

Things take time. Has Obama's promises been coming true after almost 4 years? What wheels has he set in motion?



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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My ex father in law , who worked for Hewlard Packard, said the wierdest thing to me years ago, that I had no "clue" about at the time, he said basically that he had been on many "secret" missions, for the government that he could not go into detail, but that his family was told he was off fishing, etc.

He then told me that no president can ever "control" the actual agenda, and most become very disillusioned, based on his friendship with someone that had worked in the whitehouse through several presidents, and shared thier observations with him.

Had we not been having cocktails that evening and I wouldn't have "pushed' his buttons talking politics, at the time I was a democrate, him a republican, I'm not sure he would have ever discussed this with me in as much depth as he did...anyways...was interesting.

Could Ron Paul overcome TPTB, who knows? I still have big respect for the man.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led like sheep to the slaughter.” – George Washington


I don' care who is in or out of office;

I researve the right to express my agreement or disagreement with whatever they may do or say.

This is one sheep who learned to enjoy a good fight a long time ago.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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As many RP threads that I have participated in, it is only fair I answer the question.

Hell yes I would criticize him! I might even become a very harsh critic. Ron Paul's first year plan is very specific, I would expect him to do exactly what he says in the way he says it. If he doesn't, I would be the first to stand up and cry foul and admit I was wrong.

The only people who would not criticize President Paul would be those who truly have the "Messiah Complex". Much the same as you see with some Obama supporters today. You have some Obama supporters who will openly admit they fell for the promises and lies and charisma. Then you have others who refuse to admit that Obama is a failure.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Are you proposing that I share my wealth with everyone, even if I don't want to give it all to those who have not worked as hard as I? Because that's communism and my friend I ain't no communist!


Proposing? no..your wealth will be shared..this isn't an option for you..never was. You don't get to opt out of paying for roads everyone uses, nor do you get to opt out of paying for a bridge you will never ride over...pretending like you have a choice in the matter is childish and unrealistic...and the concept is a bit communistic (community being the root word...the rulers of earth realized the average person is so moronic that they would let the forest burn without concern until their specific tree was on fire..so, they impose taxes to build things for the community as a whole, because the average individual is too stupid or selfish to do it themselves).

So, communism (forced community sponsorship) has always and will always be a part of society..the only area to discuss is how much communism is necessary verses capitalistic prosperity. Got to find that nice line

I use the term communism, even though it is an incorrect term, because you have no concept of what communism is, but seem to have redefined it to fit anyhow..so meh.

Enjoy your freedom to use your wealth as you see fit. just don't forget to pay your taxes, else to jail you go



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 01:10 PM
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I already do in that I think his plan in reduction in Government is probably one or two departments too many. But we're in need of drastic spending cuts and Paul's the only candidate with a clear and concise plan to address it head on. Would he deliver 100% on that? What President ever has? Certainly not Obama, and Romney.... Has he even laid out a specific plan as effective as Paul's? Not that I'm aware of.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Are you proposing that I share my wealth with everyone, even if I don't want to give it all to those who have not worked as hard as I? Because that's communism and my friend I ain't no communist!


Proposing? no..your wealth will be shared..this isn't an option for you..never was. You don't get to opt out of paying for roads everyone uses, nor do you get to opt out of paying for a bridge you will never ride over...pretending like you have a choice in the matter is childish and unrealistic...and the concept is a bit communistic (community being the root word...the rulers of earth realized the average person is so moronic that they would let the forest burn without concern until their specific tree was on fire..so, they impose taxes to build things for the community as a whole, because the average individual is too stupid or selfish to do it themselves).

So, communism (forced community sponsorship) has always and will always be a part of society..the only area to discuss is how much communism is necessary verses capitalistic prosperity. Got to find that nice line

I use the term communism, even though it is an incorrect term, because you have no concept of what communism is, but seem to have redefined it to fit anyhow..so meh.

Enjoy your freedom to use your wealth as you see fit. just don't forget to pay your taxes, else to jail you go


That's socialism. Not communism, so your entire argument is moot!



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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ending the life of a terminal patient isn't the doctors decision but the decision of person given the authority to make the decision by the patient to make the decision.

in my personal life, i witnessed two of these types of decisions in the past week. the doctor didn't decide anything.

Jack Kevorkian was sentenced to prison and highly criticized for his belief in euthanasia for the terminally ill...the charge he was convicted of....Second Degree Murder.

if what you say is true then Ron Paul is a co-conspirator in the death of bin Laden...is that what you are saying...is that what his cult-like followers believe.

Ron Paul can't order the death of an enemy of America its against his principles as a Doctor.

thus, he is not an acceptable candidate and would be criticized...probably at gunpoint.





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