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A miracle often denotes an event attributed to divine intervention. Alternatively, it may be an event attributed to a miracle worker, saint, or religious leader. A miracle is sometimes thought of as a perceptible interruption of the laws of nature. Others suggest that God may work with the laws of nature to perform what people perceive as miracles
Philosophy is the study of reality, knowledge, and values, based on logical reasoning rather than observation. This includes general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with existence, mind, and language. The word "philosophy" comes from the Greek φιλοσοφία (philosophia), which literally means "love of wisdom"
Logistics is the management of the flow of resources, not only goods, between the point of origin and the point of destination in order to meet the requirements of customers or corporations. Logistics involves the integration of information, transportation, inventory, warehousing, material handling, and packaging, and often security.
The Miracles of Jesus were metaphoric, and transpired in accordance with laws of nature.
Keywords: Reality, Knowledge, Values, Logical Reasoning, Existence, Mind, Language, Love of Wisdom
It's all subjective really, and any truths that may be derived from such inquiry surely first requires defining exactly what or who 'God' is
Define those, then an answer may be found... until then, just a bunch of nonsense rhetoric that is only conducive towards more confusion and strengthening of divisions that are based in ignorance.
Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS
There has never been a miracle.
Said like a true optimist.
I cannot wait to you change your tune later in life.
U sure about that? You literally have about a billion others, if not more, that would disagree, myself including.
Mind is something my awareness observes, hence mind is not me. Language is labels and semantics, so i could care less. All of this is compatible with this thread.
What does definition help with? The definition of something is not the same as the actual something. You even say so similarly in your post. If there is no God to you, then skip this thread.
You do realize the same can be applied to you and everything you say, think, know, or believe in right? Seems this thread is not for you. On the other hand, i have tasted of states and realities that would literally destroy a skeptic and have met many others who have seen behind the veil of reality, which is who this thread is directed at
Spanos' research leads him to the conclusion that past lives are not memories, but actually social constructions based on patients acting "as if" they were someone else, but with significant flaws that would not be expected of actual memories. To create these memories, Spanos' subjects drew upon the expectations established by authority figures and information outside of the experiment such as television, novels, life experiences and their own desires.
Originally posted by dominicus
Considering there are quite a few ats members that claim Advanced spirituality based realizations and experiences such as Oneness w the all, kundalini awakening, union with God, and Enlightenment amongst many others, what is your take on being able to perform a miracle to prove that what you claim is true.
For example Jesus taught various teachings and backed them up with miracles. When Buddha taught, he also backed up his teachings with various miracles as well.
So today we have a variety of spiritual teachers at our disposal and yet none of them that i know of, can perform any miracles or have any abilities that one would think would come with Spiritual Enlightenment.
Obviously if your an atheist/agnostic then please dont respond as this is not directed towards you.
So whats your take?
Hey Jesus! One billion friends and I are going to go jump off a bridge. You should totally should come for we all BELIEVE we will survive'
You see how misunderstood Prayer can be I hope, they don't always get answered the way one would hope... what exactly should one of Faith manifest his Faith in then? (Faith without works is dead)... would you really want to go that route... who in this world is so evil they should die?... plz, by all means enlighten us...... perhaps a Prayer for the Lord to shut down websites that mock Him? Or to crash the computers of the mockers?
Put another way why would one who knows the strength of the Lords will be compelled to demonstrate it to one who doesn't? God reveals Himself to those who seek. "Seek and ye shall find". You show your doubt and in voicing it merely prove to yourself/others, and God Himself that you are of the lost and floundering.
Want to mock Faith, bring it... a God slap is forthcoming already... you only hurt yourself. But then when you have seen Faith in experience you can Pray for your own healing...
Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS
yup, wiki is the authoritative word cuz hey, somebody says so. Shame that anyone can edit it though isn't it?
Originally posted by imherejusttoread
To give you an idea of where i'm coming from, I am a mathematical physicist, and a Christian. And my opinion about miracles was nicely surmised by a scientist on an older PBS program, A miracle is nothing more than a natural law not discovered.
I believe the nature of miracles has to do with the application of gnosis, and in this instant, Arthur C. Clarke's third law ["Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"] applies, where 'technology' is the consequence of knowledge.
My personal experience lead me to the conclusion that this is what Jesus was referring to in John 14:12. This same 'knowledge' was also granted to the Apostles in Luke 9:1, is also the same knowledge used by the Pharaoh's 'wise men' and 'sorcerers' in Exodus 7, and the 'someones' John was referring to in Mark 9:38-40.
Simply put, my opinion is that 'miracles' are natural, just like the concept of infinity in mathematical logic; difficult to understand, but ontological nonetheless. I would extend this to all genuine claims of miracles, like Buddha.edit on 19-5-2012 by imherejusttoread because: syntax.