OP/ED: Presidential Debate Coverage 2004 - Miami

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Topic started on 30-9-2004 @ 04:53 PM by Nerdling

President Bush & Senator John Kerry met tonight in the first in a series of debates to help determine which candidate may be the better choice for undecided voters. In a terse verbal sparring session John Kerry undoubtedly came out on top with a massive majority of internet polls showing Kerry to be the winner. A Gallup telephone poll conducted after the debate also confirmed that Kerry won.

CNN
In a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday, 18 percent of registered voters said the debates would make a difference.
And an Annenberg Election Survey released Tuesday found that only about half of those asked could correctly match the candidates with their positions on several policy issues.

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The stakes were high for each candidate as each attempted to take a clear lead in a race that has remained so close for months. With polls giving leads to President Bush but others giving it to Senator Kerry, most are just calling it how they see it and intend on voting for whoever makes a lasting policy impression. The debate served very well in this effect and was full of good talking points presented by each candidate but it was clear from the begging that Kerry had an edge. An irate Bush pushed some rebuttals and made good points but was clearly not as well spoken. The spin is already beginning.

With an estimated TV audience of over 70 million people, this debate served as a good time for potential voters to get to know Senator Kerry and to hear his views on Foreign Policy & Homeland Security. The debate was believed to be the most crucial point in this last month of campaigning and will provide a boost to the candidates in voter numbers and support.

MSNBC
CORAL GABLES, Fla. - Sen. John Kerry assailed President Bush�s prosecution of the war in Iraq in the first presidential debate Thursday night, accusing the president of �a colossal error of judgment� as the candidates finally faced each other after a torrent of speeches and hostile television advertisements.
Kerry wasted no time taking on the marquee issue of the evening, saying in his opening response to a question from moderator Jim Lehrer of PBS that �I can make America safer than President Bush has made us.�

Kerry rejected Republican contentions that he would consult too much with foreign leaders before taking action to secure America, promising that �I�ll never give a veto to any country over our security.�

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FULL TRANSCRIPT OF DEBATE

LEHRER: Good evening, Mr. President, Senator Kerry.

As determined by a coin toss, the first question goes to you, Senator Kerry. You have two minutes.

Do you believe you could do a better job than President Bush in preventing another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States?

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, I do.

But before I answer further, let me thank you for moderating. I want to thank the University of Miami for hosting us. And I know the president will join me in welcoming all of Florida to this debate. You�ve been through the roughest weeks anybody could imagine. Our hearts go out to you. And we admire your pluck and perseverance.

The debate covered Foreign Policy & Homeland Security primarily, which is believed to be the single most important issue to voters in this election. Talking points for the debate included Iraq and the subsequent insurgency and foreign policy in the future. Senator Kerry took this oppurtunity to attack President Bush on his handling of the Iraq war. The level of attacks in Iraq in the month of September reached a record 2400 separate incidents. President Bush may also use his time to chastise Senator Kerry on his controversial Senate voting record.

LATEST NEWS - REPORTS FROM AFTER THE DEBATE
Chicago Sun Times - Kerry Helped Himself
Bloomberg - Kerry Wins
Newsday
Indianapolis Star - Kerry gets the nod
The Daily - Kerry Comes Out on top
San Francisco Chronicle - Debaters Clash
Capitol hill Blue - Early Polls Say Kerry
VoiceofAmerica - Both sides claiming victory

Pre-Debate Related News
ABCNews
MSNBC
National Review
Washington Times
BBC News

[edit on 1-10-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 05:09 PM by chaosrain

Unfortunately, I think that a lot of undecided Americans are going to be watching these debates with an eye toward one candidate blowing it, or one candidate demonstrating a clear advantage over the other. I suspect that the current structure will allow for a more even exchange of ideas on current policy issues, but will not, likely, show a candidate with a clear "leadership advantage."

I just hope that folks watch for the sake of learning the candidates' positions on certain issues, not to see Bush say something dumb or Kerry waver. These guys are pros, that's why they're presidential candidates. A major blunder is unlikely.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 06:29 PM by TrueLies

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reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 07:38 PM by Nerdling

After the debate we're going to be having a very special commentary session here on ATSNN led by a party of members who identify themselves into political categories.

The candidates are as follows.

Democrats: Loki, EnronOutrunHomerun
Republicans: Amorymeltzer
Libertarians: TrueLies
Centrist: Trickmastertrick
Neutral: loam
International Observers: Gools, Nerdling.

Note: Replies will be posted in this order.

Each candidate will be graded by our panel on several key issues:

Issue Coverage
Unity
Strength of Character
Debating Skills
Presidentialness
Looks

1 Point will be awarded to each candidate in a field. E.g. Issue Coverage: Kerry 1, Bush 0.

Happy Debating.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 07:39 PM by Nerdling

Please Note: The Republicans were given 2 candidates, equal to the democrats but no other Republicans were willing to take part.

They forfeit the first post that was originally theirs and they forfeit a second candidate spot.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 08:05 PM by Seth Bullock

Perhaps the way the conservatives are treated here, and the obvious bias held by the author of this thread, had something to do with it. Gee, where can I sign up to get beat up?

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 08:13 PM by Nerdling

Originally posted by Seth Bullock
Perhaps the way the conservatives are treated here, and the obvious bias held by the author of this thread, had something to do with it. Gee, where can I sign up to get beat up?

The request was open. I had numerous Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, Independents, Neutrals and Centrists approach me. Only ONE person bothered to volunteer to speak on behalf of Republicans.

There is no bias at all. I made last minute plea's for another Republican and asked numerous board contributors yet noone came forward.

I did receive a proactive response from FredT alone, If he avoids his current circumstances and is able to post then i fully welcome that.

The signup phase is over. Your request is respectfully declined.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 08:16 PM by Loki

Don't whine now, Seth. You had the chance, and this is a formal debate, with no opportunites for us to slam you. It was simply a matter of not finding another Conservative. They're not necessarily uncommon, (god knows why), but none expressed the interest. I only see the liberal advantage on this board as 65-35, so, it's not like you're not out there.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 08:43 PM by FredT

Originally posted by Nerdling
I did receive a proactive response from FredT alone, If he avoids his current circumstances and is able to post then i fully welcome that.
The signup phase is over. Your request is respectfully declined.

I will be there barring a night full of medical transports.

FredT

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 08:57 PM by spacedoubt

I'm trying to watch the debates right now..

However, I cannot hear them..
Why?
I am at work. There is a group of people, about 8 of them..standing up close to the Television.
Making fun of GW's accent. And laughing loudly, at his verbal cadence..

When Kerry talks, and hestitates the same way, which he IS doing..They say nothing...I guess I'll catch the replay on C-span....sigh.....

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 09:32 PM by thecry

KERRY

I believe.....

I believe.......

I believe........

BUSH:

It's hard work...

It's hard work....

It's hard work......

Kerry flip/flopper or Bush Warmonger
Ahhhhhhhhh I think I'll vote nader

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 09:33 PM by thecry

If I coulld vote!!!GO MARTIN GO!!!

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 09:39 PM by curme

The Bush handlers were right, Kerry did win the debate, but not because of the reasons they believed. The 'plain spoken' back-fired into a parrot that just mimicked outdated ideals.

Kerry actually had a command of the current issues of the debate, that being, Iraq.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 10:10 PM by BlackJackal

Originally posted by curme
Kerry actually had a command of the current issues of the debate, that being, Iraq.

Really???

Kerry kept saying 'I have a plan on Iraq' and 'I will bring all countries together to fight terrorism' He never said what his plan was. So I suppose all you have to do is say I have a plan and you are in command of current issues.

Kerry has no clue about current issues because he just spews out what his advisors tell him to say. Kerry never speaks what he truley feels, he is uncomfortable in his own skin. He is fake plain and simple.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 10:10 PM by EnronOutrunHomerun

Does it matter whether or not Loki or I go first? I noticed you said it would go in the order you posted above with Loki first...or did you just mean the democratic party could take the first stab?

I'm ready to go!!

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 10:12 PM by slank

.
Kerry repeated a very interesting point.
Once Bagdad was held the ONLY MINISTRY DEFENDED WAS THE OIL MINISTRY. These oil executives running the whitehouse have a one tracked agenda.
Kerry held his own. I am satisfied.
Bush didn't come across as a total psycho. Maybe i shouldn't be totally terrified if he is re-elected.
.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 10:14 PM by Zipdot

I am sincerely against Kerry's attitude supporting "bilateral discussions" with North Korea. Bush is totally correct saying that we need China on our side and that bilateral talks with NK are exactly what whats-his-name wants. NK has displayed to us their brash, uncaring attitude continually in the past 6-8 years and speaking to them as equals undermines the authority, determination, and solid stance that we as a powerful but just and fair nation have against their behaviour.

Zip

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 10:22 PM by Amorymeltzer

Originally posted by EnronOutrunHomerun
Does it matter whether or not Loki or I go first? I noticed you said it would go in the order you posted above with Loki first...or did you just mean the democratic party could take the first stab?

I'm ready to go!!

go man go! i was just about to u2u you, wonderin. do i gotta wait for both of yall? i wanna have some time for a healthy talk tonight (its half past 11 here) before i to bed.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 10:24 PM by thecry

Bin laden was a threat for years and the U.S did nothing and looked what happened.I'm glad bush went in Iraq and took care of Saddam before history could repeat itself.And if Bush wasn't in power Iraq would still be on the back burner like the last ten years just waiting for something really bad to happen..

I don't like bush or Kerry but I agree with bush on Iraq.

reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 10:30 PM by dgtempe

May the best man win...and he did.

John F. Kerry is the clear winner here. He defended his attitude towards his agreement for war in Iraq, the cause, HOWEVER, as he plainly stated many times, he does NOT agree in the manner which Bush and his people went about the war. This is VERY clear.
He IS a diplomatic leader, a real patriot who will go after the source> Osama BinLaden and those directly connected with 911. He was calmed, poised while Bush's face was arrogant and puzzled and I might add with the hint of the stupid look he's famous for. He did everything but stomp his feet...

smirking just doesnt cut it

John Kerry has clearly the correct view and he succeeded in making Bush look like an 8 year-old at a spelling bee.

Looking forward to round #2. And it doesnt matter what Republicans say, those who will defend him till the end, face it, he's a simple man in a position of power and he just cant cut it.
"I went to war because I thought it was the right thing to do" Me me me me and I I I I. Never mind what the consequences were, never mind if I didnt have an exit strategy.....none of that matters, all that matters to Bush is what HE wants.....

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