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The 'Christ' of the United Nations - thru Benjamin Creme

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posted on May, 18 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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And yes, The Roman Pagans did torture and murder a lot of Christians,


Don't forget the Roman Catholics. 18+ million dead Christians on their hands.




posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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Riiiiiight


Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
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It is not going to be done through project blue beam.....Lucifer and the rest of the fallen angels can manifest themselves in the visible plane whenever they like, they are just waiting for the right timing. They will pull off the event themselves with basically no technology tricks, just their own supernatural abilities and a world media and major religions ready to swallow it hook-line-and-sinker to sell it to their respective 'flocks'.
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So Satan and his imps have the power to impersonate Jesus flying around on his sleigh pulled along by his 8 tiny reindeer but he also needs Share International to prepare people for this spectacle



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 01:42 AM
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Don't forget the Roman Catholics. 18+ million dead Christians on their hands.


I have heard that the figure for their tally for the dark ages alone is closer to 500 million!

1260 years from 538AD to 1798AD
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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 01:59 AM
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He needs a great bunch of people who are expecting this in way one or another to sell it to the rest of the public who couldn't care less about religion. They need to get a certain level of critical support to pass the legislation around the world which will become become the 'mark of the beast' system. Legislation can't pass without public support usually. They need the majority of the public on their side before they start pursuing guys like me exposing them and saying not to follow the legislation that they pass to show their allegiance to the 'being'.

I and my kind will be saying 'come out and be separate' don't follow him or you will be throwing away your eternal life through Jesus.



They will be saying, 'lets all forget our differences, forget what the bible (God's Word) has to say, and go along with the crowd.'

When they will see that we will not back down to join them in apostasy they will accuse us of causing conflict, friction and hatred. Brand us as terrorist and will have enough public support to detain us and whisk us away to where we can no longer be seen or cause issues for them.

From a Christian's perspective, this will be the final test to divide the whole world into two camps clearly, those who are currently alive to decide if they will trust God completely with their lives and face possible death in this world to make it into His 'Book of Life', or to turn your back on obedience and trust in God to go along with the very appealing crowd. From our perspective we aren't ones to generally get up to get vocal on the streets about this stuff and risk our own reputations ect but when these things come to pass the Christians will know that the world is no longer a 'going concern', that it probably will have but a few years left before the real Jesus returns and ends the whole thing. We won't care about couple years more life of temporal safety and hollow words of peace when we know what is gonna happen to all the people who aren't in the Book of Life, permanently erased from existence and never to be given a second chance of any future life again

I don't write the rules but that is the scenario

These Christians who will be on the street speaking out about this will only be doing it so that they can bring as many people as they can to heaven as well and fully inform others of the decision they are making, one way or another.

The Jesuits have been very busy since the Protestant Reformers fingered the Papacy as the little horn/sea beast, they had to do they 'work' more covertly.

Description: The great Protestant Reformation changed the world. But forces arose almost immediately to nullify its monumental effect and to bring the world back into line with papal teachings. The Jesuits countered the gains of the Reformation movement, setting up seats of opposition in every court, seeking to undermine and corrupt the men and women who stood for Christ. Through secret societies they put into place the false teachings that blurred the lines of reason and effectively buried the Protestant movement. Nothing remains of the Reformation movement of Martin Luther and his colleagues. The Jesuits have effectively rewritten history.


Today, the results of the Jesuits’ efforts can clearly be seen. Wherever you go, what was once a Protestant stronghold has now been changed to a tribute to Catholic saints, downgrading the performers and their message. The icons of popery are back reinstating the bastions of Catholicism. The world no longer remembers what the Protestants really stood for or against. This DVD explores the impact of Jesuit theology on religion today.


"The [Catholic] Church took the pagan philosophy and made it the buckler of faith against the heathen. She took the pagan Roman Pantheon, temple of all the gods, and made it sacred to all the martyrs; so it stands to this day. She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday. She took the pagan Easter and made it the feast we celebrate during this season . . . The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom . . . The sun has worshipers at this hour in Persia and other lands . . . Hence the Church would seem to say, 'Keep that old pagan name [Sunday]. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.' And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus"
--William L. Gildea, "Paschale Gaudium," in The Catholic World, 58, March, 1894, p. 809 [A Roman Catholic weekly].
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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
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He needs a great bunch of people who are expecting this in way one or another to sell it to the rest of the public who couldn't care less about religion. They need to get a certain level of critical support to pass the legislation around the world which will become become the 'mark of the beast' system. Legislation can't pass without public support usually. They need the majority of the public on their side before they start pursuing guys like me exposing them and saying not to follow the legislation that they pass to show their allegiance to the 'being'.


And once again I am telling you people who “couldn't care less about religion” think Share International is a joke


I and my kind will be saying 'come out and be separate' don't follow him or you will be throwing away your eternal life through Jesus.


Christians are funny – Rome created Christianity and then spent about a 1000 years bloody imposing it on Europe and now some Christians are worried that someone else is going to do the same # to them


They will be saying, 'lets all forget our differences, forget what the bible (God's Word) has to say, and go along with the crowd.'

People who “couldn't care less about religion” already don’t care what the bible says and have you forgotten that folks in other religions already don’t care what the bible says


From a Christian's perspective, this will be the final test to divide the whole world into two camps clearly, those who are currently alive to decide if they will trust God completely with their lives and face possible death in this world to make it into His 'Book of Life', or to turn your back on obedience and trust in God to go along with the very appealing crowd. From our perspective we aren't ones to generally get up to get vocal on the streets about this stuff and risk our own reputations ect but when these things come to pass the Christians will know that the world is no longer a 'going concern', that it probably will have but a few years left before the real Jesus returns and ends the whole thing. We won't care about couple years more life of temporal safety and hollow words of peace when we know what is gonna happen to all the people who aren't in the Book of Life, permanently erased from existence and never to be given a second chance of any future life again

I don't write the rules but that is the scenario


Ok I though bible god was supposed to know everything – if so then why would he need to test something – you only have to test something to find out what properties it has, if you know everything then you wouldn’t have to do any tests – right?


Since the Renaissance and the invention of the printing press the Abrahamic religions have been losing their grip on the minds of man and fact that some religious authorities are fighting to regain that control is not surprising
We now appear to be in a second Renaissance with the internet which I have high hopes will give Abrahamic religions its long overdue coup de grace

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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 05:46 AM
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Ok I though bible god was supposed to know everything – if so then why would he need to test something – you only have to test something to find out what properties it has, if you know everything then you wouldn’t have to do any tests – right?


God is allowing Satan to come to power visibly but for the briefest time (which God did not allow him to do despite how close he came to full control in the antediluvian world, then at the Tower of Babel, then during the dark ages). Each time God intervened and stalled his plans, God's message had not spread across the world enough and he wished more people to make it into the Book of Life. When Satan gets his chance to rule visibly there will be no doubt to the rest of the universe that God's judgement to throw him out of heaven and to annihilate him is perfectly justified. It is a culmination event to perfectly showcase Satan's kingdom (as he desired the ability to rule over heaven) and just how great he'd be as ruler over us. We have already got numerous examples of just how great he is through the works of the Papacy throughout centuries past. The book of Revelation tell us that 'his throne and great authority were given to him by the dragon'. What is happening is a testimony to the universe what the ravages and heartache are caused by transgression of God's Divine Law.

God is going to give people who are of lukewarm faith (have not given their life completely to God), or caught up in the wrong belief-system to choose between two options during that time ahead, to show their allegiance fully to one thing or another and to know what each represents. It is my job, along with others, during that time and as we lead up to it to inform people about those two options and where they lead so you will make a decision that is correct for you. This event is not just about Christians, it is about all people getting the opportunity individually to take a stand for right or wrong. The character which Satan will display towards the people who wish to follow God's commands only will show the rest of the world just how loving and wonderful this 'Christ' will be. It is up to you to take a stand then to decide if you are going to accept this 'being' as your authority or if you will opt out of the system and follow God's ways, along with all the persecution that will befall you in this life only if you choose to accept that.

You can be skeptical all you like...I am giving you prior warning of the scenario and what it means in context. It is up to you to decide what you do when it happens.

People will start to care about religion more when this supernatural events are imposed before them. They will see if they choose to want to be informed that Revelation perfectly describes this event and the main players involved. If people want to live a life thoughtfully, in context of the broader machinations of the universe and what in fact the purpose of life is all about then they will read into this stuff and find the right path. If people want to be self-centered and only pay attention to their immediate vicinity and concerned only for their life they have built on this earth then they are going to be at a severe disadvantage when this great test and sorting out process comes, they will do what media and public opinion tells them and they will not be willing to make the choice that could lead to them losing all their possessions that they have worked so hard for and value so much. They will have reaped what they sowed and will be content I guess getting as much in this life as they can, happy not knowing just how infinitely better life with God will be when we are given eternal life, receive new and improved bodies and can pursue our greatest ambitious unhindered like we could never do on this earth. The life God has prepared for His people is no comparison to what we have now. If people knew this and made these thoughts apart of themselves the choice is really rather obvious....


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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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Hang on so this is all based on a dispute between bible god and one of his employees – so why exactly is humanity dragged into this non-sense?


Or to put it another way
If bible god has a problem with his creation then why would his creation have to suffer due to his incompetence? (as in making Satan who then runs amok, clearly none of this has anything to do with humans who are simply innocent bystanders caught up in these events)

If a potter makes a faulty pot who is to blame the potter or the pot?

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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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Yes, you have summed it up pretty nicely. I have added a bit more to my previous post so that might help you out somewhat as well in understanding.

Humanity is caught up in the middle of this because it is through trial and challenges that this life imposes upon us, because God has allowed Satan to rule here, to we can develop a character that will make us fit for God's kingdom.

With Satan's rebellion from heaven he took with him not just himself but one third of the heavenly angels who are chained down here are well. God is giving humanity the opportunity to replace all those angels that were kicked out (so we would receive all their kinds of supernatural powers/abilities as well with our 'new bodies'). God's kingdom is an orderly place though and just like the heavenly angels are subject to now their are rules/laws to follow. The angels are subject to the Divine Law in heaven and if we chose to be God's people then he expects us to keep it as well. His Law represent the character of the law giver, so if we are not going to show our love and allegiance to our Creator by following what he asks us to then you can see how certain people's characters will not be compatible with God's heavenly kingdom and they will not in fact enjoy it there, despite how wonderful a place and opportunity it is. By becoming close with Jesus we get to know God and we bring our hearts in alignment with him where his desires becomes our desires. By getting to know Jesus personally we can decide whether we in fact would enjoy being there and being subject under Him. We need to know Him first before we can decide to trust Him with our lives.

God didn't make his creation faulty....he gave it freewill to decide yourselves what they wanted. Satan thought that his life would be even better if he could rule heaven and receive worship from the angels like Jesus received. Where there was no need for transgression of God's law to take place it still happened and it wasn't beyond any of the angels to do so. When Satan was thrown out of heaven he quickly realized how good he had it and deeply regretted his decision to let pride and his sense of his own beauty and self worth rule his life (he was created as the highest angel in heaven but wanted more). It was too late for Him and the seeds of his character were already sown. We can see from earth's history that he has a pathological need to come to power and have people worship him in one form or another, even if it is by deceptive means.

We are the first of God's creation that was made male and female and he did this to show us when we are parents just how important rules and boundaries are to keep everyone safe, happy and orderly. My friend autowrench here can't seem to understand this God who is male only, thinking it is some kind of homo conspiracy or something HAHA. It is just that the angels never reproduced at all in heaven and the only one doing all the creating was God. Nobody ever died so there was no need before hand for an aspect in creation capable of reproduction (continuation of the species). God sees us as his children so being parents God hopes that we will understand His mindset of having to have laws for us as well.

What is love if there is no freewill. If we are programmed to worship something or to show the signs that we love something, is it really love?

God designs His creation with freewill to decide to love Him because they chose to or not. When we learn about the life of Jesus and how much he loves us we can see that it is only fair God would want His creation to love Him back as well. He desires above everything to have a personal friendship with each of us, He wishes to get to know each of us personally by sharing with Him what is going on in our lives, our thoughts, our feelings ect and he wishes for us to get to know Him too. It is a friendship he intents to last for eternity
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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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Look at it this way – you move into a new house, you are a brand new tenant with no previous experience and for some reason you have no knowledge of good and evil (and that fault can be put at the feet of whoever created you)

So there you are in your new home but there’s no manual or instructions other than don’t eat something growing in your new garden (a totally pointless instruction given that you are brand new and you don’t know what good or evil is)

Then along comes a talking snake (who may or may not be one of bible god’s representatives in disguise) who convinces you or your wife that’s it ok to eat the thing in the garden, which you do (because you know no better) at which point bible god jumps out from behind a tree and shouts ah ah and promptly kicks you out of your new home

I am sorry to say but the whole thing looks like a set-up to me

I think humans should start a class action suit against bible god and his earthly representatives or at the very least stop pandering to such an obvious crook as bible god clearly is



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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I thought the anti-christ is supposed to be a descendent from the tribe of Dan?

This was pretty disturbing:

They seldom need forerunners to prepare their way. Maitreya, however, is the World Teacher, Head of Hierarchy, and intends to serve as such for the next world cycle. His impact on humanity cannot be comprehended. His coming is a truly momentous happening, which must be prepared for beforehand, and adequately explained to men of every station.


First thing I thought about was the false prophet.
The anti-christ's version of John the Baptist.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 08:07 AM
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God is allowing Satan to come to power visibly....

See, that right there presents a problem for me. WHY would God create a Being that can defeat him? Have you ever researched the origins of Satan?
What you are talking about here, without human personification, is Light and Darkness. Why do Christians think that if Darkness is destroyed, Light will prevail? Do you see that one defines the other, and if one goes, the other goes with it? Can you have Day without Night? White without Black?

Planet Earth, and in fact the Entire Universe operates only because of one thing, one principle. Balance. For every Action, there is a Reaction.
It seems to me that when one takes these universal principles and personalizes them, and names them, and attempts to make them human, that true understanding goes out the proverbial window. Now instead of two universal forces in perfect balance with each other, we have to humanistic beings fighting for eternity.

You, or any other human being, cannot KNOW evil unless you have experienced evil, and you cannot know good unless you have experienced good. I see Christians all the time demonizing everything they deem to be evil, and not a one knows anything about what they are damning. I watched Lester Sumeral one day railing against the Quabbla as a Black Magic instrument of Satan, and, being a student of same, the man didn't know squat about it, he was guessing! I thought it funny that a man would demonize a System that the Ancient Hebrews used for pure survival, an instrument, according to the Hebrews, given by God himself to them, while all the time supporting Jesus, a Hebrew man, from the area, and no doubt well schooled in the teachings himself, if his feats of supernatural magick can be believed.

One simply cannot exist without the other, to destroy one would negate the other. We must have both, and we must find a Balance.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Tell you what I find interesting

2000 years ago at the start of the age of Pisces there was allegedly a world teacher called Jesus who was the personification of the then new age

Maitreya is supposedly the next ‘world teacher’ coming for the next new age, as in the Age of Aquarius – but the Age of Aquarius doesn’t start for another 700 years

Now I don’t believe there ever was someone called Jesus and the story about him is just that a story which was written in such a way as to inform the illuminated about start of the age of Pisces but would also entertain the goyim as a simple Sunday school tale

And I am sure whoever is trying to get this Maitreya story going also knows Jesus is just a story about the age of Pisces – so how come they don’t know the Age of Aquarius won’t start for a very long time – my guess is that it’s an ill-considered attempt to revive christianity and my prime suspect is someone from the catholic church



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench

Paganism is a book religion

I beg to differ, friend. As far as I know, ARADIA, or the Gospel of the Witches is the only book I know of that is called "gospel", and although I do love and honor the Goddess Diana, and her Daughter Aradia, I do not carry about the book and I do not "preach the gospel" of Wicca, although I do happen to be an Wiccan Minister. (I also hold a Doctorate of Divinity, and a few other titles)
To us Wiccans, if you do not wish to study and learn about our ways, we do not want you. We never attempt to "convert" another to the Craft.

And yes, The Roman Pagans did torture and murder a lot of Christians, but don't you think it is time, no, past time, for the killing over religious beliefs to stop? I think this world would be a great deal better is originally the people were taught that their planet was their God, that way, they would have at least took better care of it. Today's Pagans and Wiccans are pretty much a loving, caring people, we give to charities, volunteer in the community, help those in need, give to the poor. When was the last time you heard of a murder by a Wiccan?


You are kidding me right???
Caring loving and looking forward to a day of RECKONING?? Wasnt that the statement? What Pagans were looking forward to. Didnt disguise it then but deny it now???

As for Christians preaching the Gospel of Jesus. We are not about converting anyone either, thats the Holy Spirits job not the Christians.
Dont you just hate people stereo typing pagans? I do with people like you stereo typing Christians.

Paganism never offered hope and never will.
and how do you study paganism if there is no books? Oh its all internet now?
Silly stuff. Cant hide behind titles when you speak nonsense
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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by racasan
Tell you what I find interesting

2000 years ago at the start of the age of Pisces there was allegedly a world teacher called Jesus who was the personification of the then new age

Maitreya is supposedly the next ‘world teacher’ coming for the next new age, as in the Age of Aquarius – but the Age of Aquarius doesn’t start for another 700 years

Now I don’t believe there ever was someone called Jesus and the story about him is just that a story which was written in such a way as to inform the illuminated about start of the age of Pisces but would also entertain the goyim as a simple Sunday school tale

And I am sure whoever is trying to get this Maitreya story going also knows Jesus is just a story about the age of Pisces – so how come they don’t know the Age of Aquarius won’t start for a very long time – my guess is that it’s an ill-considered attempt to revive christianity and my prime suspect is someone from the catholic church


You know not a single learned man on earth would deny Jesus didnt exist. Not a single schollared atheist, yet you deny Jesus. Thats a poor reflection on your education or your own intelligence.

Try this and learn something.

www.youtube.com...



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Regarding Mr Ehrman, he is a New Testament scholar so I cannot help thinking he’s going to be a tad biased on the Jesus question

So maybe you should try this and learn something



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Paganism never offered hope and never will.
and how do you study paganism if there is no books?

Hope is again simply a concept. Why hope anyway? Kinda like wishing, just pushes one's desires farther away from them. And there are plenty of books out there on Wicca, just go to any major bookstore and look around. I must have read over 100 books on Wicca, didn't incorporate all into my system of belief, but took the good from each, and discarded the rest. One thing I learned is Human Willpower, and how it works, and another thing I learned is the Law of Attraction. If you want to learn a little about Wicca, here is the world's largest online Wiccan Community:
WitchVox
To me, Wicca spells Freedom of Dogma and Doctrine. Church is wherever I happen to be, I give my money to real people who need it, and not some preacher who spends it on their own desires, no fancy, expensive building is needed, and no body threatening me with this and that. I didn't just choose to be a Wiccan like that, first I studied all of the religions. I took from each, and made my own, in reality. Fits me well, but would not fit you. Simple Magick gets me what I need, what I want doesn't matter anyway. Enhanced my psychic abilities, and taught me how to walk the Ether. Taught me how to meet my Spirit Guides. In truth, my cup runneth over.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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You know not a single learned man on earth would deny Jesus didnt exist.

Perhaps not, but I know of a few.....
List of atheist activists and educators

List of atheist authors

List of atheists in film, radio, television and theater

List of atheists in music

List of atheists in politics and law

List of atheists in science and technology

And.....

Famous Modern Pagans

Confirmed

Alejandro Jodorowsky (Filmmaker, Author)
Adam Henderson (Musician)
Aldous Huxley (Author)
Alice Walker (Author)
Allison Hannigan (Actress)
Arun John (Author)
Audre Lorde (Author, Activist)
Avram Davidson (Author)
Avril Lavigne (Singer)
Brian Walsh (Screenwriter)
Brigitte Nielsen (Actress)
Camille Paglia (Author, Columnist, Feminist)
Candia Ridley (Musician)
Chas S. Clifton (Sociologist)
Chelsea Quinn Yarbo (Author)
Chrissie Hynde (Singer, Songwriter)
Claudia Pastorino (Italian Pop Singer)
Cletus T Judd (Singer, Comedian)
Cree Summer AKA Cree Summer-Francks (Actress, Singer)
Cybill Shepherd (Actress)
Cynthia Joyce Clay (Author)
D T Steiner (Author)
David J Rust (Journalist)
Deborah Harry (Singer, Actress)
Deepak Chopra (Author)
Diana Paxson (Author)
Don Francks (Actor)
Eric Steven Raymond (Computer Programmer, Author)
Erica Jong (Author)
Fairuza Balk (Actress)
Fiona Horne (Musician)
Florence Farr (Actress)
Franz Bardon (Magician)
Fred Durst (Musician) Raised Wiccan
Fritz Leiber (Author)
Gabriel Byrne (Actor)
Gael Baudino (Author)
George Lucas (Director)
George Takei (Actor)
H P Lovecrat (Author)
Hayao Miyazaki (Writer, Director)
Hiroshi Inagaki (Actor, Director)
Ian Anderson (Musician)
J M DeMatteis (Author)
Jeanne Robinson (Author)
Jeff McBride (Magician)
Jimmy Page (Musician)
Jonathon Barry (Author)
Juzo Itami (Director)
Karri Allrich (Author)
Kate Orman (Author)
Kathryn A Graham (Author)
Kim Stanley Robinson (Author)
Louise Robey (Actress)
Luisah Teish (Author)
M Night Shyamalan (Screenwriter, Director)
Maggie Shayne (Author)
Margot Adler (Author, Journalist, NPR Correspondent)
Marianne Williamson (Author)
Marion Woolley (Columnist, Runs Cardiff's Deaf Theatre)
Maya Deren (Filmmaker)
Mercedes Lackey (Author)
Michael McKenny (Author)
Michael Tobias (Producer, Director)
Michelle Morgan (Sting's Consultant)
Morwynn Rooke (Poet)
Nicola Griffith (Author)
Oberon Zell-Ravenheart (Activist)
Olympia Dukakais (Actress)
Pallavi Kasliwal (Magician)
Patricia Kennealy Morrison (Author)
Patrick Califia (Author)
Rachel Hunter (Supermodel, Actress)
Rainbow Sun Francks (Actor)
Reg Keating (Musician)
Richard Gear (Actor)
Robert Graves (Poet, Historian)
Robert Plant (Musician)
Robin Tunney (Actress)
Ronald Hutton (Historian)
Roseanne Barr (Actress)
Rosemary Edghill (Author)
Sirona Knight (Author)
*Somerset Maugham (Author)
Starhawk (Author)
Stephen Grundy (Author)
Storm Constantine (Author)
Sully Erna (Musician)
Susan Griffin (Artist)
Sybil Leek (Author, Famous Red Cross Worker)
Tamora Pierce (Author)
Terry Pratchett (Author)
Timothy Leary (Psychologist, Philosopher, Author)
Tony McKormack (Musician)
Vanessa Carlton (Singer)
Vigo Mortensen (Actor)
Virginia Woolf (Author)(used the term neo-Pagan to describe herself)
W. Somerset Maugham (Author)
Wendy Rule (Singer)
William Butler Yeats (Poet)
William S. Burroughs (Author, Poet, Actor)
Yoko Ono (Musician)
Z. Budapest (Author)
source

See? Every "learned" person is not a Christian.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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God is allowing Satan to come to power visibly....

See, that right there presents a problem for me. WHY would God create a Being that can defeat him? Have you ever researched the origins of Satan?
What you are talking about here, without human personification, is Light and Darkness. Why do Christians think that if Darkness is destroyed, Light will prevail? Do you see that one defines the other, and if one goes, the other goes with it? Can you have Day without Night? White without Black?


There isn't a counterpart to God. Do you even understand who and what God is? God is the creator and Lucifer (now Satan) is created. A close counterpart to Satan would be Michael the Archangel, or other chief angels. The King James Bible is all one needs to know the origins of Satan. But of course you can't stand the King James Bible, because it exposes your wicked religion that sends people to hell every day. Why would I even dare to trust an admitted wiccan, somebody who embraces unrighteousness, to tell me about God's word?

The whole idea of perfect harmony between opposite polarities is from the same spirit that is in Baphomet. It's a lie from the pit of hell. God is everything darkness isn't. Darkness cannot create, only masquerade. Darkness cannot love, only lust. Darkness cannot save, but only can kill, steal and destroy. Satan is the father of your pagan religion. Repent and come to Christ. Are you really going to trust in some demon that masquerades as some goddess for your salvation? Really? What a shame.

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posted on May, 19 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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Lets please hold off the name calling. It doesn't reflect well and it isn't going to persuade anyone. Plus there are errors in your concepts of both hell and arch angel Michael. If you did a study of Michael (name meaning, the one who is what God is) and some places where he is mentioned in the OT (e.g the burning bush) you'll see that he is in fact another name for Jesus and thus no counterpart of Satan.



posted on May, 19 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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The whole idea of the forbidden tree was to test whether they would trust and obey God without fully understanding why he has asked us to do something or not. There was no reason for them to disobey God, they lived in an idyllic surrounds and had all they ever needed but the tempter was able to have them question God and convince them that they could be like god themselves.

Within a few verses though of mankind's first transgression against God we see God making his first promise that he would send a redeemer for them. God is outside of time and knew when he created man that we would be in need for a redeemer in short order, he also knew that he would have to send his only Son to the price of sin in our place if we were going to be reconciled with Him again. No need to sue! HAHA

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

counterpart New testament verse ...
Hebrews 2:14 Because God's children are human beings--made of flesh and blood--the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death.

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An objective study into the history of the Vatican will reveal that what they do is absolutely opposite to trying to promote or revive any authentic Christianity at Jesus taught. At every corner they have shown that their desire is nothing more than to destroy Jesus and His children. All that they do is for their own power only.
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