UFOs and 'falling leaf' or pendulum motion.

I've had the theory that the 'falling leaf' or 'pendulum' motion is in fact a spiral. Far enough away, humans will notice the 2-d back and forth and not the front to back.

If it were like a pendulum then there would be some preferred axis.

It's hard to know if these are real or what the propulsion & control technology is like, but at least assuming that some laws of known physics are still applicable....

If you have a flat bottom and are trying to go "down", if you fall straight down, then there will be lots of air resistance and turbulent big air vortices above you. There will be clear aerodynamic instabilities and the craft will 'flip over' in unpredictable ways.

So, as there will be rocking and flipping instabilities, if you need to descend slowly and carefully, why not manage those yourself in a controlled way: in a spiral like that the craft is trying to 'turn over' as the instabilities would like to try but it slips along further so it never really flips over.

Suppose you had some magic thrust vector machine which made an upward thrust in a vector pointing through the axis of symmetry of the craft. If it had no control system, always pointed thrust up, then the craft would be unstable and dangerous and any small wind would make it tip over which would then be exacerbated by the change in thrust vector etc and you tip over and jam yourself into the ground.

Now suppose you could control the thrust vector to be within a small cone of 'exactly up' through the center of the craft.

How would you design a path to lower yourself to the ground which could be implemented and would be reasonably safe? Seems like a spiral with the axis of craft pointing slightly inwards would be a decent solution to be programmed into the flight computer. It might be implementable as pointing the thrust vector both a little bit 'in' and 'forward' in the right amounts each and given gravity & air resistance, moments of inertia etc the spiral is the path that would naturally be taken. An orbit needs a central force and with air resistance some thrust to keep the velocity going forward.

Not much more than a stadium bicyclist on a circular velodrome course except it's declining in altitude every revolution.

What about the triangles? When the engines get reliable and cheap enough, put them on each corner of a triangle, and now, like a stool needing a minimum of three legs, you have stability & control systems by varying thrust from each of the engines.

Notice something else about the 'falling-leaf' (I think spiral) motion. Only reported for circular UFO's---never triangles. Did you think about that? Hmmmm......

So a circular ufo is a unicycle---unstable and trying to fall down. Bicycle is stable on land going forward, but not in 3-d air. Tricycle is well supported though.

Next question: why don't the UFO's look like rockets---vertical thin cylinders pointing up and down? That would be optimal one would think. My guess is that the performance of the engine is related to the radius---you need it to be a certain width---or most of the mass has to be well inside the radius.

Also a purely vertical rocket-like cylinder also has tumbling instabilities---in rockets they get around it by going fast, and only up. And even then, mechanical oscillations & instabilities and breakups are a major cause of rocket failures.

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Notice anything similar? skip to 0:40

So finally a great thread! Thanks !

The "fact" that UFOs used to drop in a "falling leaf" pattern suggests that it human tech that is being figured out.

"Anti-gravity" is not generating a gravity field to counter act the effects of gravity. The pattern is a single rotated gravity effect shield. If two are rotated in counter directions then you get stability... like in those triangles!

Level flight. And the added benifit of keeping light from directly bouncing off your vehicle thereby making one nearly invisible (like heat shimmers off the highway).

S+F just for the topic alone!

The falling motion reminds me of when a coin is dropped into water. Could the falling leaf motion be attributed to the craft descending through gravitational waves of the planet? Magnetic fields do behave in a fluid way.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

What it really means is that the "UFOs" are nearly massless, due to not being composed of normal matter..then given their apparent surface area, it only makes sense they would have that motion characteristic.

They needn't be nuts and bolts in any way, nor even "craft" in any normal sense.

The fact that this type of motion is now more rare could simply mean that the phenomenon is now using, or has learned to use, a greater control of the Higgs boson/Higgs field, and thus more control over the property of having mass.

There are many alternative theories which are as workable or make more sense than the media disinfo ones we are fed.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ufos are nearly massless because they make a negative refraction index to the dielectric of the vacuum. This EM transparency to the virtual EM waveform of the vacuum eliminates what causes inertial mass and gravity. Also supresses or greatly speeds up the process of spontaneous photon emission within the vacuum thus exponentially increasing the value of "C"

The falling leaf and wobblin gobliin motion of the ildschool discs has been eliminated by new safer techniques such as quantum squeezing in resonant plasma cavities at the right frequency to induce a "casimir like" effect on macro scale using signals mixing techniques and phase conjugate soliton lasers. and through designs like the more stable triangle arrangement

Maybe they aren't really massless at all maybe they use the spinning disc to create a spatial vortex via frame dragging to pull/ push the ship along thus not needing to be massless because the ship moves with space it self thus 0 inertia and hair pin turns. This means of locomotion could account for time dilation , lack of sound since the craft is somewhat "out of touch" with the environment,swirled vegetation etc. It's also an excellent way to maintain orientation in space.

originally posted by: anotheramethyst
that link to "the physics of ufos" goes to a bizarrely unrelated page now. .

Yes mate that tends to happen quite a bit and many of the links from yesteryear are now defunct.

As for the thread subject, here's a very recent example from Maine.

The witness described how the object moved.

“The way the object moved down closer was very odd and I was euphoric, but terrified at the same time. It was flat with the horizon when the object dipped up one side at 20 to 30 degrees and swooped in closer.The best way to describe it is the way a feather or a leaf falls to the ground and swoops side-to-side. After it swooped down close to the car everyone started to have this moment of awe, yet panicky.”

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Cheers.

I suspect this odd motion is another indication that we're not perceiving the phenomenon correctly, or that we're attributing the action to something we're familiar with and trying to explain it that way.

The thing is, the UFO may actually be "falling" in a perfectly straight and normal fashion from its own perspective, but because we don't perceive the twists and turns of space or gravity or (whatever) it looks strange to us and we try to interpret as something we know about, even though it is not.

Whether it's gravity, magnetism, or some kind of unfathomable vortex into an unseen "dimension," it could be somehow related to this idea of how certain objects with different trans-dimensional "densities" block or modulate their fall into that dimension.


Round and round the outside edge of the event horizon, trying to balance like a seal on a beach ball? It's a puzzle.

reply to: Blue Shift


Fascinating post as always mate and it certainly is a puzzle - some great speculation there though.

Here's another pretty freaky account from Florida courtesy of NUFORC:

The craft appeared as a helicopter experiencing tail rotor failure of some sort, as it was descending in a seemingly uncontrolled fashion, pitching side to side and coming down like a falling leaf. It dropped from about 500 ft to about 150 to 100 ft above ground in this fashion when it suddenly stopped, right above a tall highway light, to shine a bright beam of yellowish white light onto an empty, older model sedan, that was parked on the southbound emergency lane of I 75. T ....

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Cheers.

r

Appreciate all the speculation - below is a relevant thread from Shawmanfromny.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Another possibility is that a spiralling descent might look a lot like a pendulum motion from the side.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Could well be the case mate - here's another account from Madagascar printed in a 1976 issue of Lumieres Dans la Nuit:

Lumieres Dans la Nuit had another intriguing case that had transpired on Madagascar, although not involving the oddly suited characters. The December 1976 issue included a story told by a member of the French Foreign Legion whose unit was engaged in a reconnaissance operation in the island’s wilderness. On a sunny, cloudless day, the witness plus twenty-three other Legionnaires beheld a glowing object, described as having “the color of a new coin shining in the sunlight” descending from the sky in a falling leaf motion – a classic behavior of exhibited by unidentified flying objects in the early years. It made a rapid descent, hitting the ground suddenly and sending out a shockwave. The soldiers were paralyzed, much like Droguet in 1955 and the nameless farmer in the late 1960s. “All of us saw the machine land and depart, but none of us perceived the passage of time.”

The Legionnaire sharing his story with the French UFO publication went on to add: “We were freed from the paralysis upon the objects departure, and we had been in the same place throughout the event. When we checked the time, however, we realized that nearly three hours had elapsed without becoming aware of it.” This missing time, so common to the abductee era of the 1990s, had serious consequences for the military detachment, which had failed to radio back to its base despite repeated requests. The Legionnaire stressed that the object was smooth, bore no markings, and was oval in shape

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Cheers.

I have my own theory on this one actually. It's likes how a boat may approach a dock in a sense. What if they are not fixed to the same "part" or "area" of the universe that we are. I'm wondering if it is something like a quantum projection of reality (bad description?) or something. Perhaps the motions are actually fluctuations in a wave function which controls its position.

What about Falling, Shining Serpent for old, primitive times sake.

There were tons of such cases in the big flap of france in 1952? i think and later in 1957 in usa.I recently red a book which had many cases where this was mentioned.

The book or essay was called a study of secondary effects by someone named schopick A. and its dated 1966

what if we have it all wrong, what if it is plant consciousness that is evolving us and projecting to us all the unexplained phenomenon that is witnessed, pollen is all around us and the rooting system is all below us, people experience many of the phenomenon associated with aliens and ufology whilst under the influence of psychoactive plants, we came from plants and from the earth/gaea so why is it not more highly evolved or more collectively conscious and intelligent than our individual selves, nobody seems to entertain this idea and im personally starting to think it is more probable than something outwith our beautiful sphere... heres an exert i found that supports this idea.
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These are the plants, trees, cacti and fungi that I call “the ancient teachers of mankind”. And we KNOW for sure they ARE here, and those who experience the transcendental states of consciousness they unleash KNOW that they communicate with us, and educate us, and urge us at every encounter to be better, more nurturing, more tolerant and above all more loving human beings. This is why I propose it should be a precondition for all those seeking high political office, or other positions of great influence and power, that they first undertake a dozen strong and uncompromising sessions with the great teacher plants – ideally the Ayahuasca brew (a mixture of two plants cooked in water), or pure '___' extracted from various species of acacia and smoked, or heroic doses of psilocybin, or the San Pedro cactus (Wachuma) which so effectively reconnects us to Mother Nature and to ourselves… In other words, do we really need “friendly non-human aliens” to save us, do we really need to place any hopes at all on elusive extraterrestrial “space brothers” when so much good advice, and so many wise teachings are already being offered to us by vast celestial intelligences manifesting on the Earth plane as psychoactive plants, fungi, cacti and trees? Surely it is false consciousness of the most limiting kind to dismiss these “antennae from the beyond” as “mere biomass” and – worse – to collude with the dominator powers of our society in suppressing them by declaring them illegal and imposing draconian punishments of those who choose to partake of them? My suggestion, therefore, is let’s dig down to the bottom of the mystery of the plant teachers, and what it is they’re trying to teach us, rather than waiting, perhaps forever, for friendly aliens in high-tech machines to save us from ourselves.

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Great post.
Don't.dogrt.sbout cigar UFOs.