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posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by blueorder
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


people who fear debate and open and reasonable discussion use pathetic demonising terms such as "birther"


Birther is a label for people who question Obama's birth place.

It has no negative connotations unless you apply them yourself.

Why is it that you see "birthers" as demons?


Forger is a label for people who do not question Obama's birth place.

It has no negative connotations unless you apply them yourself.

Why is it that you see "Forgers" as saints?




posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by anon72
 


The definition of racist: Someone winning an argument with a liberal and don't let them give you any crap bout Breitbart the left didn't have any problems when he was working with the Huffington Post.


since we deny ignorance around here, I thought I'd do some fact checking for you:

Merriam Webster Definition of Racism


1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race


You can thank me later...



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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I used to wonder....

Its threads like this that as much prove someone is keeping watch.
Here is a classic example of this documented on ATS

Here are the links to the thread ...Someone was watching,
they got to the paper, the paper edited it just that fast! Amazing dirty work.

HI Paper Erases Obama Birth Comment From Story
Honolulu Advertiser Caught Censoring The News


www.abovetopsecret.com...


"Very rarely have I met a more impressive person than Tammy Duckworth," said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in an article the day before she announced her candidacy Dec. 18. "She just has the poise and exudes the type of character that I think would make her an astounding public servant."

Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have "a kama'aina connection."

Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.



And here, Skeptic Overlord posts his link to the screen jab he took,
of the orignal page.


www.abovetopsecret.com...
And, the wayback machine still has the archive of the old article.

web.archive.org...://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334.html

Screenshot from the Wayback Machine



Here is the three year old story as it NOW appears in the paper's archives...the reference to Obama's birth place has vanished...

the.honoluluadvertiser.com...

edit on 18-5-2012 by burntheships because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Does Obama's WIFE Know Where He Was Born?

market-ticker.org...

Damn the Internet's "never goes away" record system is a BITCH!


Well, thank God for the internet providing a record so we don't have to rely on our memories to relay the past and get called "liar" for it.


That's worth putting up !



Uploaded by snappy72761 on Apr 5, 2010

Straight from the horses mouth!
@00:17 !!!




Maybe Michelle was reading from a "Booklet" by Miriam Goderich !!




posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by relocator

Don't forget to check out the source I linked above...They also have this...






As WND reported last July, the Kapi’olani Medical Center trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility.

But the authenticity of that letter remains in doubt. Since WND raised
questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its content, the
White House has refused to say if the message is real and if its text originated with the president.

When WND correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the letter at the July 13 news briefing, Gibbs dodged the question, refusing to confirm its authenticity while belittling Kinsolving for even posing the question.

Since the medical center used the letter for a high-profile fundraising campaign in the Spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine, the FBI and United States Secret Service said the
matter could potentially lead to criminal prosecution were the letter determined
to be fraudulent.

It would be a charity-fraud scheme,” said FBI
spokesman Steve Kodak. “It would be investigated by us or the Secret
Service. We both have jurisdiction over that.”





Precisely why Kapiolani Medical Center pulled the letter down off of their website, never to be seen or discussed again by Kapiolani or the White House.


I seriously doubt the hospital had the nerve, guts, stupidity to forge a letter from the POTUS. Well, stranger things have happened.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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I don't have a horse in this race (I do find the topic entertaining), but I do have a question...You, and others, have refuted the claims that Obama's mother had baby Barack in Kenya and then traveled to Hawaii within the following days. Is it a common claim among the birthers that the "one week or less" time frame is what happened? I agree that it would be odd to have a baby and then travel less than a week later, given the means of travel of the time and the distance to be traveled with a newborn child. But, is it not possible that they came to Hawaii from Kenya (if that is indeed what happened) a month later? a year? two years?

Or, is there actual evidence putting 5 day old Barack in Hawaii? I'm honestly just curious as to why so many of the "non-birthers" try to refute that Mom Obama and Barack came to Hawaii almost immediately following his Kenyan birth (again, if that is indeed what happened). Again, I agree that would be odd, but if the birth did take place in Kenya, could they not have traveled back to Hawaii a considerable time later?



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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reply to post by nunya13
 



met·a·phor    [met-uh-fawr, -fer] Show IPA noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” Compare mixed metaphor, simile ( def. 1 ) . 2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.


Ignorance denied please try again later.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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I also keep reading that Obama himself vetted this which only makes sense.


Really...where do you keep reading that Obama vetted that bio himself???

I would love to see some sources.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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I can just hear the liberals screaming about how breitbart is a racist and he has a racist agenda, blah blah blah. If this is 100% true and not an error or photoshop than this is truly historic. Any bill/action Obama has enacted should be halted immediately, he should be thrown in jail and a new president appointed.


He should be thrown in jail for an erroneous bio written by someone else???

I hope no one every writes something incorrectly about you....you may be held accountable



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by AuranVector
 


I used to wonder....

Its threads like this that as much prove someone is keeping watch.
Here is a classic example of this documented on ATS

HI Paper Erases Obama Indonesia Birth Story
Honolulu Advertiser Caught Censoring The News


www.abovetopsecret.com...



"Very rarely have I met a more impressive person than Tammy Duckworth," said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in an article the day before she announced her candidacy Dec. 18. "She just has the poise and exudes the type of character that I think would make her an astounding public servant."

Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have "a kama'aina connection."

Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.



And here, Skeptic Overlord posts his link to the screen jab he took,
of the orignal page.


www.abovetopsecret.com...
And, the wayback machine still has the archive of the old article.

web.archive.org...://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334.html

Screenshot from the Wayback Machine



Here are the links to the thread ...its classic. Someone was watching the thread,
they got to the paper, the paper edited it just that fast! Amazing dirty work.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Here is the three year old story as it NOW appears in the paper's archives...the reference to Obama's birth place has vanished...

the.honoluluadvertiser.com...


Thank you for sharing this with us. This is the first time I've read this story. Makes my head spin.
Will the real Obama stand up?

I wonder if we will ever know the full story of who & what Obama is.

It may be 50 years before the records are released. Will we be able to get this guy out?



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Great links !

And with more than 5 months left before Nov 6th, we can expect more exposures to come out.

I know of two gigantic bombshells soon to be released.

One has been touched on but never pursued.

The other will be Gargantuan and will not be refutable.

Obama will be toast.

Wait and see.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Notice in the quote where I said, If this is 100% true.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
Forgive me for not reading another 50 pages of crazy....but did anyone notice this?




Obama Birther Rumor Debunked As Literary Agent Clarifies Mistake



However, the woman who wrote Obama's biography in the pamphlet said Thursday that she had misidentified Obama's place of birth.

"This was nothing more than a fact-checking error by me -- an agency assistant at the time," Miriam Goderich, who worked for the literary agency Acton & Dystel, told Yahoo News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."


Or This...Briebart is turning over in his grave


The post on Breitbart.com included a disclaimer, stating that the site's founder Andrew Breitbart, who died earlier this year, never subscribed to birther theories.

"Andrew Breitbart was never a 'Birther,' and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of 'Birtherism,'" read the note. "In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961."


I'll let the 150+ folks who flagged this get back to crazy town now...


Miriam must be a rich lady now. One little comment and it's 'debunked', that's expensive!

Then WHERE DID SHE GET THE IDEA THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA FROM??? Why not Indonesia, or any where else for that matter? This idea that he was born in Kenya and put in the booklet HAD to come from someone, and I'm leaning towards this idea not coming from Miriam... if so, she needs to further explain herself.
You don't just publish information on assumptions, I don't care if it's today or 1991. So where did she get this idea from? And it's just another coincidence that Michelle calls Kenya his ownland twice, and many people, through varying forms of evidence, believe he was born in Kenya, and his grandmother, in a sworn statement, said she was present for the birth of Obama, in Kenya??? and now the booklet claiming the same thing??? The idea that Obama was born in Kenya originated from Obama's mouth because Obama was born in Kenya. The mess that has insued between Obama and birthers/truthers (what-have-you) was created because his handlers haven't rewritten every piece of evidence from his past yet.
Sweep sweep under the rug...

Shame on you Huffpost



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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I think Barbara Bush was spy...



* Barbara Bush was NOT born in "Rye, New York" as most sources report.

Incredibly, most trustworthy publications get Barbara Bush's place of birth wrong.

All of the following publications, in some past editions, erroneously claim Mrs. Bush was born in "Rye, New York." (She was raised in Rye, New York, but was born in New York City.)

Chase's Calendar of Events

Daily Celebrity Almanac by Bob Barry

Encyclopedia Britannica

People Entertainment Almanac

Who's Who in America

World Almanac and Book of Facts

The World Almanac of First Ladies

and many, many more!

www.accuracyproject.org...



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by tkwasny
 


Really...can you show me in the Constitution that defines what exactly a "natural born citizen" is???

As with a lot of things in the Constitution...it is up for interpretation because they were not specific about it.


At it's base...the whole Birther movement is a lame attempt to invalidate a legitimate election by the American people. Birthers are more treasonous than they claim Obama is.


Why as a matter of FACT I can:

During the framing of the Constitution, there were several documents used. One of these was by Vattel:

Review these 3 cases after reading the constitutions original intent by the founding fathers here:

www.constitution.org...

Book 1 Chapter XIX
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
___________________________________________________________


law2.umkc.edu...

MINOR v. HAPPERSETT
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
88 U.S. 162; 21 Wall. 162
OCTOBER, 1874, Term
[Unanimous decision of the Supreme Court holding that the Constitution of the United States
does not guarantee to women the right to vote in federal elections.]
__________________________________________________________________________________________

supreme.justia.com...

BOYD V. NEBRASKA EX REL. THAYER, 143 U. S. 135 (1892)
Case Preview
Full Text of Case
U.S. Supreme Court
Boyd v. Nebraska ex Rel. Thayer, 143 U.S. 135 (1892)
Boyd v. Nebraska ex Rel. Thayer
No. 1208
Argued December 8, 1891
Decided February 1, 1892
143 U.S. 135
ERROR TO THE SUPREME COURT
OF THE STATE OF NEBRASKA
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supreme.justia.com...

POPE V. WILLIAMS, 193 U. S. 621 (1904)
Case Preview
Full Text of Case
U.S. Supreme Court
Pope v. Williams, 193 U.S. 621 (1904)
Pope v. Williams
No. 603
Argued March 8-9, 1904
Decided April 4, 1904
193 U.S. 621
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posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by six67seven
You don't just publish information on assumptions, I don't care if it's today or 1991.


People publish information on ATS based on assumptions..

EVERY
SINGLE
DAY.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Your desperation is showing. That comment so off topic.
Barbara Bush?

PANIC!

reply to post by xuenchen
 


Glad I found them myself!


That was really something was it not? I mean as the thread was progressing
they edited the article!

edit on 18-5-2012 by burntheships because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Forger is a label for people who do not question Obama's birth place.

It has no negative connotations unless you apply them yourself.

Why is it that you see "Forgers" as saints?




I would think Forgers would be those people that think the Birth Certificate was FORGED. Your label is illogical


Your label doesn't make sense...but use it if you like...doesn't bother me a bit.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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There is no limit to the questioning of the authenticity of documents and evidences. Every single discovery is shot down or atleast a coverup is attempted by MSM and the politicos in general. I dont see this issue going anywhere here on ATS or outside ATS at the Hill where it matters. If BHO was allowed to become a president despite all the evidence that is surfacing now, I think someone let it happen on purpose or nobody bothered to do the homework on the pre-requisite to become a president (Candidate must be a US Citizen by Birth).

I'm assuming this is probably the first time in the History of US we are facing this particular situation. I just have a silly question that what if the documents and evidences prove to be true and if the POTUS indeed turns out to be someone who wasn't born in the US? Does the deals/policies and programs approved by current POTUS are discarded or halted? Biggest one being the ObamaCare. Not sure how that would work. Hope someone can enlighten me on it.
edit on 18-5-2012 by hp1229 because: add content.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Human_Alien
 



I also keep reading that Obama himself vetted this which only makes sense.


Really...where do you keep reading that Obama vetted that bio himself???

I would love to see some sources.


This kind of suggests that he may have.

But.....

A 'Fact Checking Error'? Dystel & Goderich Ask Writers to Submit Their Own Bios

Iffy

Submission guidelines at the Dystel & Goderich website (original emphasis): "[Y]ou should describe in two or three sentences—no more—what the book will be about. This is followed by another brief paragraph on why it is being written and then another on why you are qualified to write it....Finally, there should be a more formal narrative Bio of the author."



Lawyers (like Obama is) usually read everything in print about themselves.

and with Obama's ego, I would believe he knew all about this



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