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posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by DeadSeraph
 



Deflection is not an adequate response. You seem to have a rather convenient habit of selective reading/quoting.


You asked for definitions...I gave you definitions...if you want something else...then be more clear.


I see that you never responded to my post giving you the information you asked for about the author of the bio...maybe you just missed that post


I just did




posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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It's right here. Unless of course you are implying that "birthers" are bigots. Which is equally predictable. Perhaps you should clarify what you mean by "hateful" or... I don't know... clarify what you mean by "birthers".

You seem to have us all pegged so well.


Birther: One that questions Obama's birthplace.

Hateful: www.thefreedictionary.com...


Anymore remidial information you need me to help you with?


Honestly, if you don't see that using the term "birther" can be (and most often is) taken as a pejorative then you're either not being honest or you're being purposefully obtuse.
Therm is, most often, used by the MSM in its pejorative sense. Consequently, when it's used in reference to people (especially those you're having an argument with) it's being used as a pejorative.
Let's call a spade a spade. You know full well the meaning and it's usage. nothing I'm saying here is revelatory. So, as I said, you're either being dishonest or purposefully obtuse.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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At this point one thing is abundantly clear.

Obama his own damn self could come out and declare in front of God and the whole rest of the world that he was indeed born in Kenya and there would still be no shortage of people who would argue with the first sorry SOB to post a thread about it.

How much more do people need in order to see that something isn't right here?

When you have this much evidence pointing to something it takes an incredible amount of willpower to continue to live in denial and ignorance.


In a very real and honest way, I feel truely sorry for those who are struggling and everyday seeing their long held,deeply planted,firmly rooted belief system and world views come crumbling down around them.

I am sorry, I really am.
edit on 18-5-2012 by Screwed because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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lets do this again:

"Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me--an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.""


In case you missed the bolded part:

Miriam Goderich is now a partner at an agency which lists Obama as one of it's current clients. Would that testimony hold up in court or be considered a conflict of interest?

Answer the fooking question.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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I can only imagine what bees nest will be stirred up over this, I can only say that no matter the truth about this Obama for sure has the power and might to bury this with some major event occupying peoples minds from the truth.
But again I think just about every president after Kennedy has many skeletons in their closet with some kind of plot to ruin America, and for this I believe was the reason for John's Demise as he was to expose a great deal of information.
Yes he had it out for the crooked Mafia's and their Casino's and gangster-ism ways, he wanted to end it because they were to ruin America, did it resolve anything? No!
And I strongly believe they are even more powerful than ever because we gave them what they want...Power..
And now all these 9/11 plots and other terrorism events had a motive, a plan behind it.
If a Mafia crony was the top most wanted crook how could he change that so it wont be ever known?
You go and blow up buildings that houses the F.B.I. departments because its them that has all the legal documents and evidence to bury them in a rotten cell forever.
Now think about this, most of the buildings in our history that was blown away who do you think was stationed there, if all evidence is gone you have no case and that my friend is the motive for all this terrorism today, If you dig deep you be surprised who in power today has strong ties to these mafia gangs, we know them not as mafia but simply as Corporate big wigs like Banks, Casino's, Construction and so on, and the saying goes Money talks, bull# walks...and so Obama is a mere puppet to what they want in our country..for it to collapse.
I can only hope people start looking outside of the box and realizing what you see and hear might only be a diversion of whats really happening to America today and Obama is here to see it happen to the end and there is nothing we can do about it anymore because we spent decades voting for cunning crooks to be in power and now we are paying for it big time...The end is not coming..it's been here for a very long time.

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posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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Wrong.

Obama KNEW about the lie. He let the LIE continue .


Oh really...I'd love to see your proof that he knew about it.

I'll wait...please give me solid proof that he knew about it.



Ron Paul said he didnt write what YOU claimed he should be held accountable for.

Obama said he didn't know about this,and YOU claim its a misunderstanding.

Cant you see the hypocrisy ? I can.


Ron Paul's newsletters were written under HIS name for HIS newsletter.

This wasn't Obama's publication...this was his publishers publication...the publisher admits that the bios weren't written by the individuals and that they were necessarily approved by any of the individuals.

Ron Paul claims he had a ghost writer to write under his name...for Ron Paul there is truly two options. Either he wrote thos himself and he is a racist little man....or he was incompetant at running HIS newsletter allowing those things to be writte under his name.


Again...nice try....horrible logic.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by CigaretteMan
Obama was born 1961

Kenya was formed in 1964

Birthers prove to the world why nobody takes them seriously.





Bio written in 1991.

You're point?



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by Jedimind
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You keep saying the author of the bio admitted they made a mistake as if that automatically means case closed! Obviously she could've been contacted by certain people before she made a statement, she could be lying, etc.

I've yet to get a simple explanation of why the mistake was made in the first place. Whoever wrote it was able to get information that he was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii, but somehow goofed on the birthplace? Something doesn't add up and if you don't see that then I can't see how you can consider yourself unbiased and looking at this objectively. It's really strange for a sitting president's birthplace to be under such scrutiny for all this time and you can't simply blame it all on racism, right wing etc...Not to mention, so much else in his past is mysterious and shady.
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It means that she has given an explanation as to why it was written.

If you doubt it...knock yourself out...go prove her wrong.

Anything else is pure baseless speculation.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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idk, it is kinda like that certain Hawaiian official, that everyone quotes, that wasn't officially supposed to verify Obama's vault copy of the birth certificate as part of her job duties.

People can say anything. Sort of how this person couldn't say anything about Obama to interviewers from Bretbart.com but she can speak with ABC to say it was all her mistake? I mean a mistake is tripping on the crack on a sidewalk. I am sure I have done it, but I am pretty sure I don't remember one time specifically from 21 years ago. Now when making things up and telling lies. That is pretty deliberate and I can easily remember little lies told from well over 21 years ago.

hmmm.
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posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Jedimind
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You keep saying the author of the bio admitted they made a mistake as if that automatically means case closed! Obviously she could've been contacted by certain people before she made a statement, she could be lying, etc.

I've yet to get a simple explanation of why the mistake was made in the first place. Whoever wrote it was able to get information that he was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii, but somehow goofed on the birthplace? Something doesn't add up and if you don't see that then I can't see how you can consider yourself unbiased and looking at this objectively. It's really strange for a sitting president's birthplace to be under such scrutiny for all this time and you can't simply blame it all on racism, right wing etc...Not to mention, so much else in his past is mysterious and shady.
edit on 18-5-2012 by Jedimind because: (no reason given)


It means that she has given an explanation as to why it was written.

If you doubt it...knock yourself out...go prove her wrong.

Anything else is pure baseless speculation.


You'd make an excellent juror.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Wrong.

Obama KNEW about the lie. He let the LIE continue .


Oh really...I'd love to see your proof that he knew about it.

I'll wait...please give me solid proof that he knew about it.



Ron Paul said he didnt write what YOU claimed he should be held accountable for.

Obama said he didn't know about this,and YOU claim its a misunderstanding.

Cant you see the hypocrisy ? I can.


Ron Paul's newsletters were written under HIS name for HIS newsletter.

This wasn't Obama's publication...this was his publishers publication...the publisher admits that the bios weren't written by the individuals and that they were necessarily approved by any of the individuals.

Ron Paul claims he had a ghost writer to write under his name...for Ron Paul there is truly two options. Either he wrote thos himself and he is a racist little man....or he was incompetant at running HIS newsletter allowing those things to be writte under his name.


Again...nice try....horrible logic.



Wow...you must be Ron Paul to know that information.

What a dishonest statement.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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newspaper birth announcements aren't exactly the most intensively vetted information out there.

i think for $25 and an email i can get my local newspaper to print i was born today.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:36 AM
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I just did


Really...you replied to this post

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nah...I don't think you did.

Nice "deflection" attempt.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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I just did


Really...you replied to this post

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nah...I don't think you did.

Nice "deflection" attempt.


Are you blind or just feigning ignorance? see my post above regarding "conflict of interest".



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:38 AM
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Who are you to tell me how I'm using a word


I use Birthers to identify those people that think Obama was not born in Hawaii.


It's quite a simple and effective label...if you attach negativity to it...that is your own problem....sorry.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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You do know Kenya didn't exist when Obama was born....right???




posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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If "birthers" is an appropriate name, then for his supporters, might I suggest, "Obamerrhoids"?

2nd



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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It's obvious that SOMETHING is going on here.
Perhaps she made a "mistake" but that was, as she said, an EDITING mistake.
Listing someone as BORN IN ANOTHER COUNTRY isn't the same as a misspelling or a typo. That's a major piece of information in a BIOGRAPHY.
If they could make such a (supposedly) blatant error, just imagine how messed up the other bios must've been.

There has been a question about Obama's birth for years now.
Even after all this time, more and more evidence keeps popping up. How many times was the "He was born in Kenya" "mistake" supposed to happen before one realizes that it may not be a mistake. Like I said, that's a huge piece of information to get WRONG about such a public figure...not once or twice, but NUMEROUS times throughout his life?
Really, we are supposed to believe that those were ALL just mistakes? what's more, not only mistakes but a massive series of coincidences? All these sources just happen to come up with the wrong birthplace...over and over? Including FAMILY MEMEBERS< The Press, his Publishers, etc etc etc.

There is SMOKE here...I suspect there is fire as well.
Too bad that we've already suffered four years of this incompetence, but it looks like we may get four more.
But the machine keeps going... The wheels get greased, those in power attempt to preserve it and we are the ones that pay for it.
Why ANYONE would spend their time trying to defend this guy (or any politician) is beyond me.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher


Oh really...I'd love to see your proof that he knew about it.

I'll wait...please give me solid proof that he knew about it.



Only if you show me proof Ron Paul knew about those racist news letters,prior to them going out.

Obama is accountable for his Bio,regardless if he has a publisher or not.

Obama OWNS it. Its his NAME.

What were your EXACT words....

Oh yeah,He should be held accountable.




Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Ron Paul's newsletters were written under HIS name for HIS newsletter.


And who OWNED Obama's name on This Publication....The Agent?

Which name,Barry,Barrack,etc......





Originally posted by OutKast Searcher


Ron Paul claims he had a ghost writer to write under his name..




Again,your giving Obama a pass cause someone else wrote something about him,with HIS name!



Its hypocritical,at best!



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Ummm...yes...it would hold up in court.

Having someone as a client doesn't mean you can't testify to your own work.


I love when we play pretend lawyers on ATS...it's so much fun.


If you think she is lying...prove it.



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