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Obama or Romney – War or More War?

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posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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Would you like WAR or MORE WAR? The deeper into this election cycle we get the more convinced I am that Romney is yet another puppet for TPTB much like his predecessors. The only ‘winner’ in November will be the police state and the military industrial complex.



In politics, timing is everything. I had a suspicion that the Iran issue was purposely being dragged out so an attack against Iran would coincide with the 2012 elections. According to US ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro, the plans are now ready.


U.S. plans for a possible military strike on Iran are ready and the option is "fully available", the U.S. ambassador to Israel said, days before Tehran resumes talks with world powers which suspect it of seeking to develop nuclear arms.

Like Israel, the United States has said it considers military force a last resort to prevent Iran using its uranium enrichment to make a bomb.
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Obama appears poised to start yet another war. Some believe a strong posture by Obama against Iran is an attempt to appear tough and distract us prior to November. I think it’s merely a continuation of the neo-con/globalist agenda. The thing we should all be worried about is that whether Obama gets re-elected or Romney defeats him, war seems inevitable. Does anybody think Romney is LESS of a hawk? These two knuckleheads are eagerly competing to win the approval of the same bastards that have been calling the shots all along. Regardless who wins, the agenda remains the same.


Despite his record as a “warrior-president,” despite the breathless “Obama got Osama” campaign boosterism, common inside-the-Beltway wisdom has it that the president has backed himself into a national security corner. He must continue to appear strong and uncompromising on defense or else he’ll get the usual Democrat-as-war-wimp label tattooed on his arm by the Republicans.

Similarly, to have a realistic chance of defeating him -- so goes American political thinking -- candidate Romney must be seen as even stronger and more uncompromising, a hawk among hawks. Whatever military spending Obama calls for, however much he caters to neo-conservative agendas, however often he confesses his undying love for and extols the virtues of our troops, Romney will surpass him with promises of even more military spending, an even more muscular and interventionist foreign policy, and an even deeper love of our troops.
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The status quo will be maintained. Those of us that want an end to costly conflicts abroad that compromise our constitutional principles will once again be disappointed.

The question I have is where do we go from here?




posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Obama does not want to loose
the jewish vote, or look like a pansy
because of re-election. The only hope
Israel has is to take out nuclar Iran before the election.
If mexico started building nuclear bombs
to use on America, I am sure no one
in the right mind would have a problem
to neutralize that nuclear threat..

Why should the jews go through another holocaust
because of political pandering?

Romney, Obama, who ever the hell is president
can not deny Israel the right to protect itself
from a very dangerous and blood thirsty Iran
hell bent on killing every last jew as soon as they have
the means..

Would we have let hitler have a nuclear bomb?
He was trying hard, and if hitler had the bomb
he would of used it, just as Iran will.
edit on 17-5-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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I'll star and flag this post because it is very true.

Sadly, even with this forum's nature, people still think they're not pushing for war with Iran and that favouring another politician over Obama will change the policies etc. Obama is even pretending he doesn't want to go to war with Iran, whether to win votes or what, the talks and peaceful solutions are all just charades until another false flag occurs to blame Iran, or Israel just flat out goes for it and Iran retaliates. It's already been decided if another puppet gets in.

Obama, Romney et al are all puppets. It is in absolute fact, just like in Britain under Labour went to war with Iraq and Afghan, and under the Conservatives Britain bombed Libya, it doesn't matter who is 'in charge', the system is corrupt.

The only politician out there right now exposing this is Ron Paul, what he would do to solve it I don't know, but it would be a start.

One of my fears of Ron Paul is that if he did get into power, he'd leave Europe and the middle east to it, but unfortunately America has started too much and got too deep, so I wouldn't fully agree if he pulled out fully because ironically, that could also massively destabilise the region and world.

Sick world really




posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Obama does not want to lose the jewish vote, or look like a pansy because of re-election. The only hope Israel has is to take out nuclar Iran before the election.


I’m sure he has purposely dragged this thing out to create chaos prior to November. No doubt he’s pandering…that’s all he does. I think Israel should handle Iran whenever it chooses to. If they need US help I'm sure Obama or Romney would jump right in without authorization. Taking out Iran is part of the agenda regardless who the POTUS is, no?


If mexico started building nuclear bombs to use on America, I am sure no one in the right mind would have a problem to neutralize that nuclear threat..

Why should the jews go through another holocaust because of political pandering?

Romney, Obama, who ever the hell is president can not deny Israel the right to protect itself
from a very dangerous and blood thirsty Iran.


I don’t have a problem with Israel defending itself. I have a problem with US fighting the war for Israel. I also have a problem with Obama (or Romney) using war as a political tool. Israel is quite capable of handling itself against any ME country IMO. Any US involvement would be politically motivated.

I haven’t seen congress declare war on Iran…until then US has no business there.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by popsmayhem
 



Obama does not want to lose the jewish vote, or look like a pansy because of re-election. The only hope Israel has is to take out nuclar Iran before the election.


I’m sure he has purposely dragged this thing out to create chaos prior to November. No doubt he’s pandering…that’s all he does. I think Israel should handle Iran whenever it chooses to. If they need US help I'm sure Obama or Romney would jump right in without authorization. Taking out Iran is part of the agenda regardless who the POTUS is, no?


If mexico started building nuclear bombs to use on America, I am sure no one in the right mind would have a problem to neutralize that nuclear threat..

Why should the jews go through another holocaust because of political pandering?

Romney, Obama, who ever the hell is president can not deny Israel the right to protect itself
from a very dangerous and blood thirsty Iran.


I don’t have a problem with Israel defending itself. I have a problem with US fighting the war for Israel. I also have a problem with Obama (or Romney) using war as a political tool. Israel is quite capable of handling itself against any ME country IMO. Any US involvement would be politically motivated.

I haven’t seen congress declare war on Iran…until then US has no business there.





Yup I agree, they should neither
stop Israel or help.
If shtf though I always got my
friends back, which should only
be used if say my friend got jumped
and it was no longer fair.
Now of course when nuclear
arms come into the situation
it is a bit different. Israel
does not want to nuke Iran or they
would have. Israel simply does not
want this rouge nation who has vowed to kill
every last one of them to have them.
Romney simply has no power
to do anything right now.
It is up to big head honcho Obama.
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posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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I don't know why you guys portray those two men having any sort of influence, other than being pop stars on TV. It's pompous and show. Even congress for the most part is ceremonial.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Not so sure Iran and North Korea has always been a thorn in the US side for decades why now would it be any different and start another campaign?

Now if the urban mythos is "war for oil" and for the sake of argument that is true but considering the US is sitting on the largest proven oil reserves in the world why would there be war?

Now further expand that argument and add the church of climatology in to that equation that will ban drilling here and make no other means but to go to war.

Sure under the they want nukes guise(which i really do think) and considering the fact of the last decade in Iraq where Ameircan servicemen were being kiled with Iranian weapons and training well then "war" is justified.

Here is my problems they murdered Bin Laden and they leave Iran alone for doing the same things?

Is war coming?

Within the next decade and considering the current state of the union it would be those most stupid move in world history.

edit on 17-5-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Sadly, even with this forum's nature, people still think they're not pushing for war with Iran and that favouring another politician over Obama will change the policies etc. Obama is even pretending he doesn't want to go to war with Iran, whether to win votes or what, the talks and peaceful solutions are all just charades until another false flag occurs to blame Iran, or Israel just flat out goes for it and Iran retaliates. It's already been decided if another puppet gets in.

Obama, Romney et al are all puppets. It is in absolute fact, just like in Britain under Labour went to war with Iraq and Afghan, and under the Conservatives Britain bombed Libya, it doesn't matter who is 'in charge', the system is corrupt.


Well said! It has all been decided…




The only politician out there right now exposing this is Ron Paul, what he would do to solve it I don't know, but it would be a start.

One of my fears of Ron Paul is that if he did get into power, he'd leave Europe and the middle east to it, but unfortunately America has started too much and got too deep, so I wouldn't fully agree if he pulled out fully because ironically, that could also massively destabilise the region and world.


I agree, and we share the same fear. I worry about the vacuum RP would create by pulling so far back and leaving our interests overseas exposed. I think this would embolden our enemies rather than placate them.

It appears we once again have no reasonable choice in this election; extreme one way or extreme the other way.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Sure under the they want nukes guise(which i really do think) and considering the fact of the last decade in Iraq where Ameircan servicemen were being kiled with Iranian weapons and training well then "war" is justified.


If so then congress need to vote on it. When was the last time the American people had a say in whether or not US goes to war? It’s been a while!!

I believe Iran is a threat but more so to Israel and others in the region. I think others in the region should step up and handle it. I’m all about US defense but I’d like to see others who are more threatened stand up and do something for themselves for a change. IMO US needs to stop policing the world. I think US should remain engaged in the world and maintain a strong presence abroad but we don’t need to get sucked into attacking every regional threat in the ME. Where has that gotten us…really?



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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If so then congress need to vote on it. When was the last time the American people had a say in whether or not US goes to war? It’s been a while!!


It would be nice but i do see the rationale behind it getting those schmucks all in one place without playing petty politics does more harm than good.

Then Americans never once have ever gotten all the facts about anything.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Wonderer2012
 



Sadly, even with this forum's nature, people still think they're not pushing for war with Iran and that favouring another politician over Obama will change the policies etc. Obama is even pretending he doesn't want to go to war with Iran, whether to win votes or what, the talks and peaceful solutions are all just charades until another false flag occurs to blame Iran, or Israel just flat out goes for it and Iran retaliates. It's already been decided if another puppet gets in.

Obama, Romney et al are all puppets. It is in absolute fact, just like in Britain under Labour went to war with Iraq and Afghan, and under the Conservatives Britain bombed Libya, it doesn't matter who is 'in charge', the system is corrupt.


Well said! It has all been decided…




The only politician out there right now exposing this is Ron Paul, what he would do to solve it I don't know, but it would be a start.

One of my fears of Ron Paul is that if he did get into power, he'd leave Europe and the middle east to it, but unfortunately America has started too much and got too deep, so I wouldn't fully agree if he pulled out fully because ironically, that could also massively destabilise the region and world.


I agree, and we share the same fear. I worry about the vacuum RP would create by pulling so far back and leaving our interests overseas exposed. I think this would embolden our enemies rather than placate them.

It appears we once again have no reasonable choice in this election; extreme one way or extreme the other way.


It's nice to finally see another poster who agrees with my thoughts.

Not to say we are right, but this is what makes sense to me.

Ron Paul is quite firm that he would pull out, end the fed etc, but as you say, it's one extreme or another.

Ron Paul would offer a very difficult transition, but the current reality is that our freedoms come at the expense of others, and it shouldn't continue, when we fill up our cars, that oil is paying for the killing of women and children in the other countries, that is the sad reality.

Our nations exploit other countries resources, we fund dictators to keep countries under our control in order to get the oil, or we instigate wars and destabilise governments to keep the people from ever taking control of what is theirs- look at Africa and more recently Libya in Africa also. We've destroyed that country, yet were quick enough to set up a Central Bank and get the oil contracts flowing. The people have been left to suffer- Libya is not in the news now though.

To vote Ron Paul would be to sacrifice our current way of life in the West- but it is the right thing to do.

Romney talks of America being such a good country, he said he would never apologise for America, yet a large portion of the world suffers because of America and her allies with the current system. A lot of people can't accept this, and that is why truthful threds like this rarely get the attention they deserve, because people struggle to accept the reality- or chose to be ignorant of it.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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It would be nice but i do see the rationale behind it getting those schmucks all in one place without playing petty politics does more harm than good.


You might be right but as you know that’s how it’s supposed to work; only congress can declare war.



Then Americans never once have ever gotten all the facts about anything.


Very true but we can’t let our cynicism keep us from following the constitution.


The framers of the Constitution attempted to balance the power of the President as commander-in-chief with that of Congress, the representatives of the People.

Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution gives to the Executive Branch the command of the nation’s armed forces, while Article I, Section 8 gives to the Legislative Branch the power to decide when the United States goes to war.
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posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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Of course that is a doubled edged sword all it takes is a majority from either side to enact war and depending on what way the political winds are blowing that day.

When ideology meets cold hard reality never turns out the way most ever want it to.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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I'm a little skeptical of the claims of a war with Iran before the election, only because they have been rattling that sabre for a long time now, to no avail.

Although it certainly seems possible, I think there are likely various factions within the US government and Military, some wanting said war, others not.

In some ways, I think a war with Iran would likely benefit Romney more than Obama, because it would rally much of the GOP base who currently dont seem to want to vote for Romney.

And it's hard to say how it play with the Dems. I could see it turning off a LOT of Obama's base if he became even more explicitly pro-war. Then again, many of other parts of his base defended him over his actions in Libya.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Romney talks of America being such a good country, he said he would never apologise for America, yet a large portion of the world suffers because of America and her allies with the current system. A lot of people can't accept this, and that is why truthful threds like this rarely get the attention they deserve, because people struggle to accept the reality- or chose to be ignorant of it.


I believe America is the greatest country in the world and has been an example of freedom and democracy throughout its history. For every bad thing you’ve cited there are thousands of positive stories that don’t get the same attention. I still love the America I grew up in and served for 8 years of my life. However, I think US was high jacked long ago. There are some evil scum who have corrupted our system.

US of A HAS A VIRUS and we’re in need of a serious reboot.

Is RP the answer? I don’t know…nobody knows for sure. I do know that if we don’t rid the country very soon of these scum who have been pulling our strings we won’t be around much longer.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Neither, none of the above.. no one of either side or any party... BAH!


For the first time in my life Im NOT voting. Im NOT picking the lesser of 2 evils. I have opened my eyes to the ( what I believe is the) FACT that our votes mean nothing, the holy college on the mount decides everything, its all corrupt, the left/right worship is sick, and Im just pissed off I believed the lies for so long.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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No more war. Please.

I'm not an anti-war appeasement type of guy.

But even I get so sick and tired of it.

If people thought Obama had it tough, Romney will have it tougher. Obama only enhanced Bush's doctrines.

Romney with have 12 years to reverse.


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posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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I'm a little skeptical of the claims of a war with Iran before the election, only because they have been rattling that sabre for a long time now, to no avail.

Although it certainly seems possible, I think there are likely various factions within the US government and Military, some wanting said war, others not.


Me too…

November is only 6 months away so we will find out soon.


In some ways, I think a war with Iran would likely benefit Romney more than Obama, because it would rally much of the GOP base who currently dont seem to want to vote for Romney.

And it's hard to say how it play with the Dems. I could see it turning off a LOT of Obama's base if he became even more explicitly pro-war. Then again, many of other parts of his base defended him over his actions in Libya.


I can see a scenario where Obama joins Israel in a joint strike to take out Iran’s nuclear sites and have a nice clean victory just before the election. That would benefit Obama. He’d portray himself as the man who took out OBL and Ahmadinejad and ended the war in Iraq.

It could also turn very ugly and US could be bogged down in another war. That would hurt Obama and piss off his base.

I’m curious to see how this shakes out over the coming weeks and months. Hopefully I’m way off and Obama avoids war like the plague. IMO we should let Israel do its thing unless things over there get completely out of hand.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by seabag


I can see a scenario where Obama joins Israel in a joint strike to take out Iran’s nuclear sites and have a nice clean victory just before the election. That would benefit Obama. He’d portray himself as the man who took out OBL and Ahmadinejad and ended the war in Iraq.


A good point I had not considered. It would secure the Zionist vote.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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what's with all the hate dialogue on this site which seems to be opposed to militarism and industrialism?

everyday its more of the same... what are you guys?

these things created the computer you are using to post this nonstop bullcrap.

from what I can see...war between states is impossible.

the only things making something they call war are gangs of mystic criminals and they are all dying or headed to prison for the rest of their lives.

seriously...what's the deal with these nonstop inflammatory and false remarks?



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