Is it time for a revolution in America?

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Good day VVV (praat ons dieselfde taal of wat?)

Reading this thread, at least page 1as well as the last post, I offer my humble opinion on state of affairs...

It doesn't matter who you vote for in the US, you get the same civil results, just with different faces making different noises. If you would take note, the "system" doesn't change with election victory..the system just get some new bosses and under-bosses driving the system. In other words, it's the "system", (the whole military process, police process, financial process, banking process, education process, etc.) which is entrenched in the fabric of society!

You can not call for a revolution to fight the government, because they are not the problem, simply the pawns to keep citizens' attention occupied with seemingly the most important aspect of society; politics. Have a political arena in place with opposed interests and the mindless masses with a natural "herd mentality" will pitch in and fight each other and be at each other's throat, while the political masters keep fueling the fire.

The average person is so pre-occupied with this political skirmish that he / she becomes totally oblivious to the real threat that WILL eventually destroy society as a whole as we know it...internationally, not only in the US.

Friends, the people who should be revolutionized against, are the faceless, unidentifiable power figures behind the apparent influential, powerful politicians, bankers, etc....and they are unreachable. Does anyone think that the earthly masters of deception is so dumb to allow any whacko with half a brain cell to arrange a revolt and simply overthrow them? Talking about revolution against the government (who do you think about when you think "government"...names, etc. huh?), is like for a cockroach to think it can outwit the angel Gabriel in a chess game. The system is comparable to the Matrix...so who do you fight?

I personally believe we are in a phase in terms of Worldly Existence where matters have already progressed to a point where the powers have entrenched themselves so successfully for global rule, that only a catastrophe of global proportions will change the world...not revolutionary actions. Revolutionary value will come after the collapse of the system. because the "system" you're contemplating fighting, will eventually implode anyway.

This is the crucial time for a revolution to happen, because if it doesn't, or is not successful, the next phase will be implemented by the powers to initiate global rule by VERY DIFFERENT RULES. Think Socialism or the government of the Anti-christ or whatever you choose to call it. You see, the coming collapse is part of the design,...it's designed to occur. It will be up to the people whether tey choose to make use of the opportunity or not.

I don't think any significant action will be taken however. I believe we are too far down the road where most people have been programmed by society life to a "good citizen status" of submission, having totally lost any resemblance of a spine.

Proof: Example - Politically people in the US are so entrenched and brainwashed by the political masters in their "Democratic versus Republican" scenario, that they are totally oblivious to any other possible political framework as an alternative that might just offer a solution to their dilemma! The political masters have successfully created (generations ago) the little political playground sandpit for people to play in that it does not even occur to them that there could be an alternative to the current status quo...the same way it does not occur to a pigeon that if it built a closed up nest, it won't get wet when it rains.

People will have to undergo evolutionary changes to "see" again and then wake up and wait for the right time effect necessary changes.

Remember this; the World belongs to every person, group community, society...this planet is ours by inheritance and the right to existence...not to the people lining their their pockets by way of manipulation to rule and enslave the 99%. They have however created the rules by which we now are obliged to play when they promised to take care of the masses who are/were too ignorant to that themselves. So, in a way we ourselves, through stupid and ignorant trust, put these criminals in charge and have ourselves to blame for finding ourselves in this situation in the first place.

I am rather preparing for the aftermath and the fallout to attempt to survive...the outcome of which is anybody's guess.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

You mean is it time we give the govt. what they want ? A reason to cut us down like blades of grass ?
If they want us ? We're an easy mark either way.

Of course it might lead to that, I am not denying that at all.

Is it right though to just sit around, complaining and moaning, yet doing nothing?? Just watching as your beloved country get turned into something no one wants?

vvv

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Is it right though to just sit around, complaining and moaning, yet doing nothing?? Just watching as your beloved country get turned into something no one wants?

I'm open to suggestions !

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Take our own situation as an example where we are in a similar situation...I have discussed this issue with countless people from all parties' viewpoints. The tragic truth is that the majority of people don't know enough, couldn't really care and simply don't have the balls to go down this route.

As a nation we are divided to such an extent that these dreams of a revolution is nullified by people's lack of spine to change their destiny. You know...."we will loose everything and in the process destroy the country and the world will hate us and put sanctions in place,....etc. then how will you provide for your family when there's nothing left..."

This whole thing about standing up to the "System" and "make them go away", will require not a revolution, but a full scale civil war to force fate to take the direction of intended consequence. In our situation for example who'se going to fight whom?...Whites against Blacks / Leftists against the Right Wingers?...who?

I'm however not a doomsday prophet who says all is lost and to be submissive to the oppressive powers that be, but keep in mind talk is cheap and I have been involved in the old SA Army in times gone by. Talking about revolution and shooting people is one thing and doing it is a horse of another color. Very few antagonists have the appetite for war and even less can visualize the end result. Does anyone here have what it takes to go down that road?...I doubt.

Don't talk to fellow antagonists...talk to the ordinary people, the citizens trying to survive in an already upside-down world and try to convince THEM to support your opinions and ask if they are prepared to LOOSE IT ALL, never mind just survive life....these are the exact people who you'll need to make up an army of revolutionists to bring about change.

I believe time will bring the opportunity all by its merry self to influence change of any kind, here and elsewhere in the world. We are all heading down different roads towards the same destination and the issue cannot be forced with a desirable outcome at his point in time.

My advice is to stay vigilant and prepare yourself for surviving the future events that ARE coming.

Using our own history, and situation not to long ago, it is rather evident, that the violent protests from the 60's through to the late 80's did indeed generate results.

If all the people sat back during the Apartheid era in SA, it would probably still be going on today. But no, they stood together, and fought together, bled together, and lost their lives, to bring about change. Lo and behold, in the 90's they succeeded, and a victory was won.

I am not one for violent revolts, and war, as I said earlier, but sometimes, it seems to be the only way. Being complacent will not solve anything.

vvv

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


I definitely share the sentiment about not being complacent and agree that the best thing Mandella ever did, was to get get rid of the hated Nationalist government...amen to that!

But for me the current trend towards a full blown communist regime eventually, overshadows the NP style government...the rest of the world where communism prevailed and failed is testament to that, so to effect change here requires patience like an Apache warrior lying in ambush of its enemy....confrontation is coming and the signs for revolt are there...a revolt / revolution creates its own momentum and the arrogance of the culprits will bring about their downfall...there's no cure for stupid...so, patience patience

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep



"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

here your answer, not a american then be quiet, all america needs is a real born american president with a pair and not what we have now. we have a president with the iq of a full toilet, we have a congress lead by gift givers and crybaby, once gone with the right person, watch out for your butt

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Yes, it's time... However, the majority of the American population are so self-absorbed and oblivious to anything other than entertainment (football, the Kardashians, TV, etc...) that they aren't aware of any problems within their own locaility, county, or state, let alone gov't issues.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Here's the thing... Let's say that people are "preparing for war" so to speak... All you are likely to hear are that people are complaining about the way things are...

Do you REALLY think that the people that ARE preparing for a violent revolution as we speak (if there are any) are going to tell you about it???

I would be willing to bet that there are people preparing for violent revolution in America right now...

You will not hear about it, probably ever until and unless they win.

the MSM will laud any beginning skirmishes as terrorist attacks or something else, accidents or the like or they will assign them to foreign countries rather than the USes own citizenry. They may even use them as an excuse to go to war somewhere so they can maintain the war machine..

Or it will happen and be over so quickly that no one will know what is happening until it's done. Most coups happen this way.

The main question to be asking is, "who will do it first?", those on the side of a constitutional republic and for individual liberty, the fascists, or socialists/communists which in the end, turn out the same as the fascists.

I, personally am hoping for the first in that list, if it indeed does. You also, can't know if hoping is all I'm doing, because if I was doing more, I sure as # wouldn't post it on an online forum that at the least has government shills constantly monitoring it if it isn't run by the shills themselves.

Jaden

Well according to this research,,everywhere could be due for mass upheaval, due to this years solar cycle.

www.kurzweilai.net...

thats what Im saying. When The US hits a Greece state, super inflation, 55% unemployment, $9 a gallon gas, and drones everywhere, is when revolution will kick off.

Judge Napolitano saying and echoing that the 1st person to take down a drone will be an AMerican Hero/Patriot, well I can see this happen when enough people get pissed off.

Don't have a revolution, stop depending on your government. People want to find jobs, instead of try to make money. any means necessary. TPTB would want you to have a revolution, just to harvest all that energy. Focus on yourself.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Thanks. I mean I TRY to be objective. That's really all I can do.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Every 2 years we have an election for Congress (the House of Representatives).

The problem is, unlike in 2010, we don't usually throw enough of the bums out to make a difference.

I really do think that a revolution is long past due...but the problem is nobody will take the first step in doing so. If we could "get together" on a national front, we could do it, but, as I just stated, nobody will. Everyone is sooo afraid of the gov that it just won't happen... Not anytime soon, anyway.. It's a nice dream though.

[post retracted]
Oh well, so we wont have revolution in USA ?
As seen on my first respond.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


It is a GREAT Question, but unfortunately it is one that cannot be answered, and one that has an obvious answer at the same time.

It will be time, when it is time, and it will be apparent and obvious when it happens. It seems close at hand, but at the same time the majority of the population still lives extremely comfortably, so it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

I would guess there will be a sort of political resetting over the next 10 to 12 years, and as long as that happens, then a violent revolution will not happen.

HOWEVER, if the political resetting is met by aggressive defense within the establishment, then the population will react violently and throw out the establishment. This is the natural order of things.