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How America will become a Communist Nation

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posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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Only two tools of government will be needed to turn America into a Communist Nation:

Civil Asset Seizure and Title IX.

First let's do the one 99% of the people here, feminist, traditionalist and the decent average egalitarian folk can understand:

Civil Asset Seizure.

Trying property for the crimes of those who are merely overseeing the property. It is already being done for a host of things. From the war on Drugs, illegal gambling, etc.

Look at the Bank bailout. Imagine a few years down the road it is discovered that the President and Attorney general(this is hypothetical) received kickbacks. That would be grounds for throwing out/voiding the deal. They aren't being taken to Criminal Court. Remember, the US Supreme Court is on record for saying Civil maters do not have Constitutional Protection. Which means there is no double jeopardy conflict.

Now, multiply it across all the other industries involved in shifty/illegal stuff, and poof: A majority of US corporations are owned by the US Government. heck one could make a case against Walmart being a corporation of traitors. Given the low bar of proof for Civil Asset seizure, with the right Judge it could easily happen.

Now the hard part that I am going to lose most people over: Title IX
www.deltabravo.net...

Title IX was never meant to be about absolute equality, it say's so in the law itself. It merely stands for equal opportunity. let's look at sports, colleges have to bend over backwards to increase the number of female athletes, and still have to cut men's teams. Not because of budget issue's but because more male students want to play sports then female students. So colleges and even a growing number of k-12 are actively discriminating against boy's. Now add in the "War on Boy's", the whole system is in violation of IX.

All it would require is a compliant Judge, a scared Supreme Court, and the Communist's could shut down and take control over the public educational system in totality. Of course this would come after the civil asset seizures so people will be accustomed to it. And heck if they use "true statements"(even if they did create the problem), people will agree with it. They will be able to put their people in, or just radically change the curriculum to meet their agenda.

Right now, if the Federal Government withdrew financial support for the Public Educational system, it would collapse over night. K-12 and Public Colleges/Universities have been inflated beyond their localities ability to support them.

That is the meaning of creating a problem to fix it, that is why they are allowing the fake capitalists to get away with murder. They are taking the old Communist saying that "A Capitalist will sell the rope used to hang them" to heart and using it in a real world application.




posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:26 AM
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Well, there are two kinds of Communist nations, and they are very very different. On one end of the spectrum you have North Korea, or Stalinist Communism which is as much about absolute dictatorship as anything, and can be a ghastly place to be. On the other end of the spectrum you have Cuba, where people enjoy a great many rights, better health care than Americans, stronger communities and less reliance on oil.

So let's stop with the using "communism" as a pinko commie scare word. That's as passe as Hoover's bad skirts.
The problem is the totalitarianism that is coming.
The problem is that we live in a neo-feudalist society and we are serfs.
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posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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And I believe Socialist is good for America and probably most of the country provided its democratic and no abuse of power.
I believe its better to have "everyone not rich' than to have 'the poors owned by the rich ones".



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by NullVoid
And I believe Socialist is good for America and probably most of the country provided its democratic and no abuse of power.
I believe its better to have "everyone not rich' than to have 'the poors owned by the rich ones".


So you believe such a world ought to be purchased with so much pain and suffering? Or are you ignorantly posting without actually reading the original Topic Essay?



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by NullVoid
And I believe Socialist is good for America and probably most of the country provided its democratic and no abuse of power.
I believe its better to have "everyone not rich' than to have 'the poors owned by the rich ones".


So you believe such a world ought to be purchased with so much pain and suffering? Or are you ignorantly posting without actually reading the original Topic Essay?


What pain ? What purchase ? Social equality is about releasing what you own for everyone benefit. If you against that, then do accept the world as it is now - You live in wretched state and I'm sipping the best wine money can find and your life still depends on me.

No I dont read the topic essay, I'm going straight to equality through socialism. Why bother reexplain it using other "Topic Essay" when you have the solution already ?. Hmmm most probably the essay much easier for Americans to accept I guess.

Karl Marx is right, capitalist/companies dont care about social care, took years for me to see it, but he was right.
Just look at your condition now (if you are American) and its not even SHTF yet.
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Ok after skimming through the essay, its about feminist movement, not much about communism. Your topic is quite misleading I think.
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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Workers of the world unite!



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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your forgetting Bloomberg's plan to ban anything that the Gov deems not good for , that is to deny you your freedom of choice.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 06:21 AM
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America will become a communist nation when the SHTF and micro societies are all that's left. Micro societies with limited resources that can't afford to ignore the greater good and the value of sacrafice.

Most likely democratic communist micro states will spring up anywhere there are people willing to live and work together to survive. They may not even realise they are communist, but communism will be the logical choice for those that are sane.

Greedy capitalism supporters will quickly legitimize stealing and murder (they're doing it already), and will be cast out from society and condemned for the greedy inhospitable folks they are.

Communism will never be allowed in the first world so long as the working class remains easy to milk for cash. The elite that run the first world will not allow it.
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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 07:02 AM
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The USA is already more communist than Russia... The banks in the US to a large extent are now owned by the government..



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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Wrong, America is not communist and never will be, American banking system is private no government, the federal Reserve is owned by Wall street and the founders of the institution base in the US and Europe.

US is far from Communist US is now a corporate dictatorship, we practice socialism when it comes to the working class paying for the poor working class.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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I don't think it's wise to use the "one word descriptions" for social structures and ethos, because you cannot encapsulate an entire people and their unique system of social cohesion in this way.

People constantly rant about communism and socialism while thinking back to past decades and the most famous examples of failure. They lump all these people together through the use of old propaganda.

Lets face it, back in the day the USA and plenty of other nations used propaganda to destroy the ideals of communism, socialism and any other form of social system they didn't agree with. When someone on here screams that Occupy are just "commies" they're using the most simplistic form of insult they can think of to describe something they hate - most of them don't understand the first thing about communism.

Many might have an idea of what communism or socialism is through that propaganda, and they never seem to understand that there are thousands of variations on the theme in successful operation for hundreds of years all over the world.

It might not be a successful model in a national sense, but these models do work in smaller communities from the UK to the USA, Europe to the inner sanctum of the Amazon.

Then you have to look at our supposed "capitalism", which no longer exists. If others say the USA is a capitalist society, they are wrong. Capitalism cannot exist in a nation where the tax revenues of the citizens are handed to corporations to support them. The second the first bank or corporation was bailed out by the US Government capitalism ended.

So what system do we have now? It's not capitalism. It's a varying degree of fascism, a plutocracy, or corporatocracy. It depends who you listen to.

It's about as determinable as communism or socialism is.

No system is 100% perfect, bu they all have their merits. The problem comes when you have such a system forced upon an entire population where a few rule the many. Central government dictating social system is the problem here.

As I said, all kinds of social structures and systems work in all countries in various degrees from the socialist collectives in small town America to the communist style ethos used in communes all across Europe since the 1950's 60's and 70's. New models are springing up every day, new communities with various systems not labelled as something easy to attack using dogma and propaganda.

I'm a proponent of smaller communities, self-determination and the removal of central government in the majority. I believe that people should have their own communities where they decide their own fate and can form their own social models - and where those who may hold power over others are directly held accountable to those people. Redress of concerns is the key here, and with a massive central government this is not possible.

You cannot go to congress and complain that your land has been stolen and your livelihood destroyed by a bank. But if you had a smaller community where your elected were actually in the town hall and calling weekly meetings, where the bank was a local community operation, and where people actually had to look each other in the eye before screwing them over, the world would be a much better place.

Ever increasing government is the major problem we all face, in my opinion. They are overbearing and too powerful. They have removed the ability of the people to form their own communities, and they fail in almost every endeavor, because it's not possible for a minority to adequately provide for such a majority, in any sense.

The economic situation right now is a great example of how a minority cannot operate such a massive system. Corruption and general criminality has been allowed to grow over decades because the system is too large and too overpowering for the people to act against it in a natural way.

Mark my words, we will go back to smaller communities. It happened with the Soviet states. People will begin to remove the power of central government from their own communities. This is happening in the UK with devolution, and it will happen throughout Europe as the Eurozone disbands. It will happen in the USA with states leaving the union, and should go further than that too with states dividing into smaller social groups.

Small communities, small businesses, small banks, small government - where everyone is answerable to everyone else.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 08:06 AM
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ALL collectivism preaches that the individual is basically evil (for lack of a better term) and owes everything to the whole or the state. All societies are fundamentally collectivist in nature. It's impossible to form a society without acknowledging it's a collective. The reason America has been so intensely hated by aspiring communists and socialists and fascists is that our founders were not complete idiots and our Constitution afforded at least some protection from the majority to the individual. Nothing infuriates a hardcore collectivist more than an individual who is shielded from the collective in any way. Socialism/communism (For we all know socialism absolutely is supposed to be a stepping stone to communism) is nothing less than collectivism running amuck. That is, a single-minded obsession with "the greater good".

The various forms of more extreme collectivism have not been hated for no good reason. Yes, the US did create a lot of propaganda against Soviet Russia. But much of it was actually true. The twisted irony is that now, the US itself is going down that same dark path and many people remember the propaganda.
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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Soviet Russia and Cuba were a nation of slaves under the rule of a dictator. They hung the label of communism on the countries to cover up that fact and trick the people into thinking they were part of something great. They weren't. Just government controlled slavery.

"All roads lead to Rome", think about it.

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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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In a communist country, society owns you. You are still property. But it's worse because you don't have any individual rights at all. Only the collective can own anything in a socialist/communist hellhole. You can't own yourself if there is no such thing as private property.

How do you think Soviet Russia got that way to start with? Groupthink. Turns people into sheep. Extreme collectivism is the dumbest idea in history.
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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Communism is a very dangerous thing on a large scale. It works well on a micro scale as long as it remains democratic though. You can also have a democratic communist republic. Which may be the next evolution of government if our democratic republic continues to go the way it is going.

When I say, "all roads lead to rome", I mean that all forms of government by default seek to control and limit. All are also suceptable to manipulation by the elite. The only truely safe form of government, is a government of one.

Since we can't all have our own planet, we're just going to have to keep a vigilant eye on all forms of government.
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