Originally posted by Bleeeeep
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I'll just say to further the agenda's of the NWO since they accomplished soooooooooooooooo much.
From 911 came:
the patriot act and MANY police state bills and objectives
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Blowback, You cannot waltz into countries, kill people ans steal their resources, without getting a few people angry.
Lets say someone kills your Family, would you fly a one way aircraft...
Then there is the famous quote from a Jesuit preist.
`Before Israel was our friend, the Entire Middle East were our Friends`
Originally posted by Lord Jules
The department of homeland security's worst fear is NO terrorists, because they would then have no justification to check our socks and underwear. And it is a proven fact that post 9/11, including the underwear bomber, and the underwear bomber part 2, the government routinely puts terrorists and bombs on planes and then "discovers" the threat. So if the government is doing this post 9/11, the logical conclusion is they also did it on 9/11. Motive wise, the war on terrorism would not exist without 9/11. Conspiracy or luck, either way the policy of the leaders was and still is evil.
The motive is to legalize tyranny against "terrorists" and then slowly slip that noose around the necks of the american people and anyone else they view as an enemy. In short, a larger more intrusive government.edit on 17-5-2012 by Lord Jules because: (no reason given)
Updated: June 7, 2010
Carlos Eduardo Almonte, a resident of North Bergen, N.J., was arrested on June 5, 2010, at Kennedy International Airport on his way to Somalia with the stated intention of joining an Islamic extremist group to kill American troops. Mohamed Mahmood Alessa of Elmwood Park, N.J., was also taken into custody.
The two men were charged with conspiring to kill, maim and kidnap people outside the United States. Mr. Almonte, 24, and Mr. Alessa, 20, were seeking to join Al Shabab, a group that claims ideological kinship with Al Qaeda and was thought to have provided a haven to Qaeda operatives wanted for bombings of United States Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, prosecutors said in court papers. Each could face a maximum sentence of life in prison and penalties of $250,000.
The men have been under scrutiny by the F.B.I. since 2006, after the agency received a tip on its Web site. Beginning in 2009, an undercover officer from the New York Police Department's Intelligence Division recorded many meetings and conversations with them, during which they discussed their plans, according to a criminal complaint.
The suspects, both United States citizens, physically conditioned themselves, engaged in paintball and tactical training, saved thousands of dollars for their trip, and acquired military gear and apparel, according to the complaint. They talked about what they said was their obligation to wage violent jihad, and at times expressed a willingness to commit acts of violence in the United States, the complaint said.
A law enforcement official said that Mr. Almonte, a naturalized United States citizen, was born in the Dominican Republic. His father, Pedro Almonte, drove a school bus.
A classmate at Elmwood Park High School, where Carlos Almonte graduated in 2005, described him as normal, dressing the same way other students did. But after graduation, Mr. Almonte began changing, he said.
To counteract those seemingly damning words, lawyers who have taken similar cases to trial said a possible strategy is to argue the men are impressionable blowhards who had no concrete plans about what to do once they landed in Somalia. Alessa, who authorities say did most of the tough talking, was only 16 when the alleged plot began. Other than folding knives, authorities have not indicated the men had acquired weapons. And there is no indication they had actually made contact with the terror group, al Shabaab.
"These guys are nothing but disaffected young people and loudmouth talkers. If they actually ever made it to Somalia, they would have wound up getting shot," said Ronald L. Kuby, a lawyer who represented one of the men convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
No matter what they argue, Alessa and Almonte would likely have a tough time beating the charges at trail, defense lawyers said. The federal government puts tremendous resources into terrorism investigations. And jurors in New Jersey can easily see themselves as potential victims of terrorism, the lawyers said.