Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by Indigo5
The GOP OWNS their extreme right position...They campaign on it...no confusion there.
No, I'M extreme right. the GOP has been infiltrated and taken over by neocons, who are undercover left-wingers. That's how they earned the name RINO
to begin with.
RINOs are largely defined on social issues...not anti-gay or anti-abortion enough...
I have never seen a GOP rep. declared a RINO for being pro-war, just the opposite.
Neo-cons believe in spreading "democracey" by any way possible..wars..and are defense hawks.
'left wingers" are traditionally anti-war.
Not sure how to make sense of your statement in that context?
How old are you? I'm over 50, and have NEVER known an anti-war left winger in my entire life. As a matter of fact, that very proclivity is one of the
tell-tales that identifies neocons as "left wingers". It's not that the left is "anti-war", it's that they just want to fight different
Name a war before GHW Bush's war, that was initiated by an alleged "right winger". Go ahead, find one. I'll wait. GHW Bush is - probably not
coincidentally - the prototype neocon. A "left winger" in right-winger's clothing.
Your definition of what constitutes a "RINO" is probably part of my problem. You see, I'm old enough to recall how things were arranged before this
current upheaval of definitions and switching of color schemes that appears to have been designed to confuse the populace, and appears to be working.
When I was younger, the "left" was socially and fiscally "liberal" or further, and were represented by "red". Now, it's all been turned upside
down, as suits the fancy of the speaker. The major change occurred around 2000, but there were signs it was on it's way for perhaps 10 years
I declared then, and I declare NOW, the both GHW Bush and GW Bush were RINOs, based mostly on their pro-war stance, and secondarily on their
anti-freedom stances. neither was either socially OR fiscally conservative, either. A "Conservative", by definition, seeks to conserve, not
squander, reallocate, or impose. A stance against gay marriage or abortion is not "conservative", since it seeks to impose new and unusual rules.
Those are liberal positions, because they seek to impose the tyranny of the majority on the minority. They are positions requiring the exercise of
"democracy". Democracy is not a default conservative position, it is a default liberal position. You are correct that neocons are intent on
"spreading democracy", because they are NOT conservatives.
Neocons ARE liberals, they ARE RINOs, they are liberals trying to masquerade as conservatives to draw the rank and file to the left, following their
leaders in true democratic fashion.
Neocons are also the reason I left the GOP several years ago, and will never return to it.