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Originally posted by underduck
Originally posted by Bleeeeep
reply to post by underduck
Idk what they did with them, but if that is what actually happen, why is that so hard to believe? Some 3,000+ people were killed in the towers but a single plane full is unreasonable?
I understand what you are saying here but having some soilders kill innocent Americans is a lot different than "allowing" some lunatic highjackers to take planes and fly innocent Americans into a building.
The existence of UA 93-North is confirmed by the 9/11 Commission Report, Stacey Taylor and Bill Wright. The existence of UA 93-South is confirmed by radar data, personnel from Pittsburgh Airport and the ATC recordings. It is impossible to put all these sources under only one hat.
Okay, the attentive reader might say, I accept that there were two different UA 93's over Pennsylvania - but for what purpose? What was the underlying plan of this plane swap?
Before presenting a possible and, in my eyes, probable answer, I'd like to emphasize the general concept reflected by the twin UA 93: the change of an aircraft's identity while it is airborne. Many researchers are convinced that the original airliners of 9/11 were replaced by "drones", remote controlled objects which were then directed into their respective targets. Now we have also seriously to consider that planes were replaced by planes. UA 93 is the best example because it is a chameleon flight:
- there are two different take-off times for UA 93: the official one - 8:41 - and the real one - 8:28 (BTS database).
- FAA notified NORAD at 9:16 that UA 93 was hijacked, but UA 93 checked in with Cleveland Center normally at about 9:20 and stopped communication not earlier than 9:28. So which plane was reported hijacked at 9:16?
- Cleveland Center noticed screams and hijacker voices coming from a plane, but the controller thought they originated from Delta 1989, not from UA 93.
- UA 93 was reported to make a landing at Cleveland Airport at 10:45 and was later "renamed" as Delta 1989.
Originally posted by Monkeygod333
I believe you are correct, the intention was to have building 7 suffer the same fate as the twin towers.
The building was already rigged, in my opinion the crack in the centre of the building confirms it. I believe something had gone wrong because the theory of a single beam and resultant fire caused an entire building to collapse is absurd.
Then again, there is no way that a boeing crashed at shanksvill and left nothing but a hole. It's impossible.
I have a feeling one wake-up pilot had the chance to separate the war games from the real life scenario and shot down one of the planes.
Either that or they had some simple little issue like an oil pump failure and had to move to plan B; dumping plane scraps and parts from carglo planes and a missile or two.
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Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by jlm912
Should get your eyes checked......
From time aircraft was hijacked (F on map) till it crashed was on SOUTHEAST heading
Only near end when hijackwers were fighting with passengers did it deviate from that
Here is map again - study it
.PITTSBURGH -- A pilot of a single-engine Piper might have been the last person to see United Flight 93 before it crashed in Somerset County on Sept. 11.
Local pilot Bill Wright (pictured, left) told Team 4 investigator Paul Van Osdol that he thinks that he witnessed a struggle for control of the plane.
Wright was flying over Youngwood, Westmoreland County, and was getting ready to land in Latrobe under order from air traffic control.
Then, an air-traffic controller asked him and his passenger to look out the window.
Wright was flying a Piper Arrow when he spotted a jet crossing behind him -- about three miles away. It was close enough for him and his photographer to see the United Airlines colors.
Wright was flying over Youngwood for about 20 minutes before Flight 93 crashed in Stonycreek Township.
Wright said that he knew that there was a problem when air traffic controllers asked him to give them Flight 93's altitude.
Wright thinks there's only one reason air traffic controllers in Cleveland would have been asking him about the altitude. He said that it was probably because the terrorists had cut off all radio transmissions to air traffic controllers.
"We figured there was a hijacking in progress, and we were seeing it happening, but that's all we knew," Wright said.
Wright got another clue when he and his passenger saw the path that the plane was taking.
"(It) went behind us. (We) lost sight for a while and when it came back (the passenger) said, 'It's turning toward us. Now it's turning away. Now turning back toward us.' So it was rocking its wings.
"It would bank hard left, bank hard right and then back to hard left. We saw it bank three or four times before we got away from it."
Wright said that may have been when several passengers were fighting back against the terrorists.
"The story of the plane being taken over, that fits," Wright said.
Within moments controllers ordered Wright to land immediately.
"That's one of the first things that went through my mind when they told us to get as far away from it as fast as we could -- that either they were expecting it to blow up or they were going to shoot it down, but that's pure speculation," Wright said.
Witness accounts have the plane flying over Johnstown, Pa., before crashing in Stonycreek Township.
Wright said that he wishes that he could have done something about Flight 93, but there wasn't much more he could do in a single-engine Piper.
* Wright got the landing order when he was over Youngwood. He was asked to look for the airplane at his 10 o'clock position thereafter, i.e. while he was continuing flying north. This is clear evidence that the plane he was asked to look for was north of Pittsburgh, not south of Pittsburgh.
* I have already mentioned that the airliner spotted by Wright was in PrimaryRadar status. Furthermore, it was flying at 7000 ft. When UA 93-South was approaching the Piper line, it was already in NoRadar status, i.e. flying under 4000 ft. Therefore it's not possible that Wright was talking about this plane. UA 93-North, however, switched the transponder on AFTER passing the Piper line. This fits with Wright's account perfectly:
The Piper was over Youngwood when it received the general FAA grounding order at 9:45. (On WTAE TV, Wright says that he was over Youngwood "20 minutes" before the UA 93 crash.) It continued to go north with a speed of about 150 mph (its normal cruising speed), until it met the airliner somewhere near Vandergrift at about 9:54. Shortly after this encounter, UA 93-North switched the transponder back on when it was at 6400 ft.
All these data prove that Wright encountered UA 93-North.
Originally posted by thedman
United 93 was spotted near Johnstown PA (just north of Shanksville) by a private plane on request from FAA.
Wright was flying over Youngwood, Westmoreland County, and was getting ready to land in Latrobe under order from air traffic control
Within seconds, the Command Center received a visual report from another aircraft, andinformed headquarters that the aircraft was 20 miles northwest of Johnstown. United 93 was spotted by another aircraft, and, at 10:01, the Command Center advised FAA headquarters that one of the aircraft had seen United 93 "waving his wings."
Originally posted by Alfie1
b) the hi-jackers dialed in the VHF omnidirectional range (VOR) frequency for the VOR aid at Reagan National Airport. They wanted navigational assistance to get to Washington.
9:55 A.M. The pilot hijacker, presumably Jarrah, dialed into the flight computer the navigational code for Reagan National Airport, in order to fly the aircraft toward Washington, D.C.
9:56 A.M. Hemdon Command Center informed FAA headquarters they lost track of Flight 93 over the Pittsburgh area.
At 9:56 a.m., the destination code for the plane in FAA computers was changed from "SFO," the code for San Francisco, to "DCA," the code for Reagan National Airport in Washington. That indicates an air traffic controller probably changed the destination. Typically, that is done only when it is requested by the pilots.
Originally posted by pirhanna
I'm going to disagree with the OP based upon a dream I had.
In my dream the flight I was on was rigged with high explosives and was headed for the congressional building. Also, there weren't any "terrorists". It was being controlled remotely. In the dream I was on the plane as a passenger, and believe I may have been sharing the body of someone who had figured out what was going on. He / I then managed to get word to the military what was happening and told them that the plane had to be shot down. Which then occurred to a rather unpleasant end and me waking up sweating.
Is that 911? Flight 93? I can't say, but I can say that is a dream I had 4 months prior to the event. And I freaked out double that tragic day when I saw it happening.