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Originally posted by AngryAlien
Originally posted by spyder550
So in Florida you can't protect yourself from someone who is stalking you unless you have a gun and then you are OK -- I need to know this because I have to go to Florida in a couple of weeks and I want to be clear on this.
Following someone is not a crime.
Originally posted by butcherguy
If you are saying that he decided to fight an 'armed pursuer' using his fists instead of running away....
Originally posted by emptyOmind
reply to post by haven123
so what does this prove? that he attempted to defend himself against an armed pursuer before he was murdered?
It might prove that his decision-making skills were very poor.
Originally posted by CosmicEgg
reply to post by muzzleflash
Recoil would break Grandma's arthritic wrists and fingers, provided she could pull the trigger.
Anything can be a weapon. We can hardly walk around with our hands bundled in cotton wadding to prevent their use as a weapon. Guns kill with a fair degree of certainty. There has to be a lot more behind a fist.
Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Originally posted by haven123
if the media didnt try to spark race riots people wouldnt have had to pick side's so to speak
We haven't got to that stage yet.
That's planned once Zimmerman if aquitted.
Originally posted by snarky412
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by snarky412
If you read the whole article, by this time, the neighbors are sick and tired of having their stuff stolen. And a few weeks earlier, the suspect that Zimmerman followed while waiting for the police got away. But this time, he kept following him not expecting a fight, while waiting for the cops to show up.
Who the hell cares.
A kid is dead. Zimmerman killed him.
Well, if you had been following the whole story from the beginning, Trayvon was wandering around the houses looking suspicious like so many others [burglars] have done, scoping out vulnerable prey [targets]. So after many months of this type of activity, of course he should be a person of interest. If he was going to his house, why was he wandering around? And why the violence if he was such a sweet kid? Need to wait for all the facts to come out....
We all should care, it's only human..... for both families involved.
Originally posted by fleabit
I love how folks adamantly take sides without having even close to all of the facts.
That's why we have trials. Of course the victim wasn't as saintly as his family is making him out to be. Nor is the defendant. The truth will come out.
Originally posted by takaris7
Originally posted by snarky412
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by snarky412
If you read the whole article, by this time, the neighbors are sick and tired of having their stuff stolen. And a few weeks earlier, the suspect that Zimmerman followed while waiting for the police got away. But this time, he kept following him not expecting a fight, while waiting for the cops to show up.
Who the hell cares.
A kid is dead. Zimmerman killed him.
Well, if you had been following the whole story from the beginning, Trayvon was wandering around the houses looking suspicious like so many others [burglars] have done, scoping out vulnerable prey [targets]. So after many months of this type of activity, of course he should be a person of interest. If he was going to his house, why was he wandering around? And why the violence if he was such a sweet kid? Need to wait for all the facts to come out....
We all should care, it's only human..... for both families involved.
Just because I had a fight or rebelled against authority in high school does not make me ripe for prison. Just because I walk around in a crime infested neighborhood does not make me a crook as well. The assumption that I might or could commit a crime should not paint be guilty.
What if he took the long way around because someone was following him or perhaps he wanted to talk a little longer on the phone with his girlfriend? What if he stopped under a tree to keep try until the rain let up? What makes you assume he was scoping out vulnerable prey? Why should a person walking down the street be a person of interest?
Why not be a good citizen and call the police instead of being involved in vigilante justice?
Originally posted by votan
This situation is a string of bad decisions. whatever decision lead trayvon to be out looking like vagrant i do not know.. whatever decisions lead zimmerman to be on patrol i dom't know.. but i can say the following.....
Trayvon could have gotten lucky and knocked out or killed zimmerman with his fists... would all of you viewed this story differently had that happened?? what if trayvon had a gun and he killed zimmer man?? what if both men had guns???
regardless of the gun.. bad decisions in this scenario would have lead to either bodily harm or death. This did not play out well for trayvon. BOTH made crappy decisions. BOTH had the opportunity to change the outcome and neither made the right decision.
if my familymember did this i would just say what was he thinking... from either side of the perspective.edit on 16-5-2012 by votan because: (no reason given)edit on 16-5-2012 by votan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
So much for the innocent black kid walking with candy and ice tea story.
Only a trial will produce all the evidence needed for any of us to reach a solid conclusion on the events of this case.
In all honesty though I fear an acquittal of Zimmerman could lead to civil unrest and "retaliatory" attacks.
It's going to be a long, hot summer.
Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy
So that KKK Foundation account is still open, then?
I can't imagine how else he got the money. Seriously, this kind of stuff happens all the time, and he makes bank off of it....wth?edit by Starchild23 because: (no reason given)edit on 15/5/12 by argentus because: edited location from editby code
Originally posted by emptyOmind
Originally posted by butcherguy
If you are saying that he decided to fight an 'armed pursuer' using his fists instead of running away....
Originally posted by emptyOmind
reply to post by haven123
so what does this prove? that he attempted to defend himself against an armed pursuer before he was murdered?
It might prove that his decision-making skills were very poor.
and just who do you think, can outrun a bullet? looks like your logic skills aren't so good eitheredit on 16/5/12 by emptyOmind because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Starchild23
Trayvon punched a tree or a door on his way outside.
There's no proof of where it happened.
In other news, I'd like to recommend some light reading: A Beginner's Guide to Beating a Dead Horse.
Oh, wait, I see you've already bought a copy.