Shocking New Oil Propaganda Plan to Fool Americans

reply to post by NoHierarchy


Yep sure made a lot of jobs at Solyndra oops any of those jobs still around now?

Go on faithful Climate change warrior march right on to the poorhouse.

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Try to find even ONE commercial wind farm that has made a profit without government subsidizing it! There AIN'T any, period.

Zindo

What's your point? The point is either to strip ALL subsidies to energy sources/companies/projects OR to level the playing field. Either way, the entire energy industry is heavily subsidized on all fronts... might as well level the playing field for the CLEANEST sources rather than the dirtiest and most dangerous.

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Originally posted by neo96
Interior Looks to Expand Permits for Killing Bald Eagles to Accommodate Wind Energy

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, a division of the Interior Department, is considering loosening regulations on the killing of bald eagles, the national bird of the United States, to accommodate the development of wind energy sources.

A draft regulation first filed in April would allow businesses to apply for 30-year permits allowing them to kill bald eagles in the course of other legal activities. The length of those permits would be a six-fold increase over the five-year window allowed under current law.

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Cough
Cough
Bullcrap

Umm... this is how the government thinks. NOT how environmentalists think. This is an insane occurrence, but has nothing to do with wind energy not being more desirable than oil.

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Anonymous404

 

Hi ano,
Just for the record.
You should not have to worry about running out of oil. The earth manufactures it.
The fossil fuel stuff is just baloney.
What you need to worry about is the extensive manipulation of the Earths crust.
Drilling, pumping and fracking idiocy. And the EMISSIONS.
WHY do floks forget these---


Air Pollution Emissions Overview | Air Quality Planning & ...
www.epa.gov/oaqps001/emissns.html

Emissions is the term used to describe the gases and particles which are put into the air or emitted by ... The amounts and types of emissions change every year.
Err Cheers ljb

Ahh, I dunno, man... after researching abiogenic oil... there's not much evidence for it.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by nunya13

 

Actually missed the entire point of that post.

The methods used are fascist totalitarianism the leftists always claim to be right wing but when the reality is the left uses the same means.

The power given to the EPA by green legislation has eclipsed that of government as Rooselvet once said

“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group,”

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The EPA has become a private power that has become stronger than the state itself which is fascism and of course fascism is only a right wing characteristic.

Are you SERIOUS right now???

The EPA is one of the most GUTTED government agencies known to man. Its power against large/pollutive companies is ROUTINELY watered down or denied, and industry execs are also routinely appointed to positions in the EPA. The EPA does some good, but is largely a joke to environmentalists due to the strong fossil fuel industry support by politicians. Politicians like to hire foxes to guard the henhouse, then right-wing media likes to lambast the henhouse as an extremist hen gestapo when the OPPOSITE is true.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

Yep sure made a lot of jobs at Solyndra oops any of those jobs still around now?

Go on faithful Climate change warrior march right on to the poorhouse.

Yep, you're right, Solyndra failed therefore renewables are forever doomed. I admit defeat. /endsarcasm

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Never heard of the Clean air act eh?

Epa gutted oh that is a knee slapper.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

Never heard of the Clean air act eh?

Epa gutted oh that is a knee slapper.

Wow... Looks like I missed quite a thread here. Well, better late than never!

Agreed on the laughter a statement like 'the EPA is gutted' might bring. Oh is THAT coming from someone with absolutely NO real world experience of any kind. Has to be.... One need only ask their local construction contractor, for instance, to get all the information about Lead they ever wanted to hear and more. Likely with such a sharp Anti-Gov edge to it, it's downright painful to hear. Why? EPA regs on friggen lead paint that have turned things like window and siding jobs into a logistical nightmare and added enormous costs PER job and on the overhead of the contractors. THAT is the "gutted" EPA, and that's only a tiny example of the last 3 years.

You know, something I see on this thread...and I mean the greenie side more than anything, but it's this seeming ALL OR NOTHING attitude. It's 100% war on Coal, Oil and Petrol of all kinds or it's 100% surrender and bend over to Exxon and BP. No middle ground. Likewise, it's 100% support until it hurts for every renewable project a goofball can dream up, or it's dire enemies to the entire concept. Again, no middle ground. Well.... NUTS I say.

Show me ANYONE on the Conservative side who isn't personally invested in some very tangible way that doesn't want to see alternatives to oil and coal developed?? I've yet to meet one myself. Yet, the greenies would seem to suggest that is all of us.


I for one would LOVE to see Wind, Solar and Hydro-thermal developed into truly workable solutions. I'm just steadfast about not destroying the WORKING energy industry while replacements are still far off for being a viable answer. The middle ground is exploiting our own resources to live WELL ....not suffer at the Altar of Enviro-insanity...WHILE we develop those alternatives. Gas was around *ONE DOLLAR A GALLON* The day before 9/11 happened...and our own governments declared war on US as much as each other. NOTHING all that major has changed in those 10 years but political agendas and the idiots pushing them, IMO.

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Try to find even ONE commercial wind farm that has made a profit without government subsidizing it! There AIN'T any, period.

Zindo

What's your point? The point is either to strip ALL subsidies to energy sources/companies/projects OR to level the playing field. Either way, the entire energy industry is heavily subsidized on all fronts... might as well level the playing field for the CLEANEST sources rather than the dirtiest and most dangerous.

www.buffalonews.com...

web.mit.edu...

My point is that even when subsidies are handed out like candy to these 'green' ventures, not one of them has been successful! The tech is faulty and no amount of money thrown at it seems to fix the very large problems involved! Maybe in another 20 years from now but at the present time no country can afford to dump money into the pit that is the 'Green Technological black hole'! Let GE and the rest of the non-paying tax cheats pay for their own R&D and leave the peoples money alone. It makes no sense when the abundance of fossil fuels are still available!

Zindo

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So, is it safe to say you hate Tax Subsidies for oil companies?

reply to post by NoHierarchy


Don't matter there is plenty of oil. Think blood Diamonds.
Why else would they be drilling 5-7,000 feet below sea level.
That is not dino oil down there.

Scientists Prove Abiotic Oil Is Real!
www.viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html - Similarto Scientists Prove Abiotic Oil Is Real!

Viewzone Magazine offers a look at life and humanity from different angles. Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas.



Why drill into the ocean floor? | Science Buzz
www.sciencebuzz.org/museum/object/2006_09_drill_bit/more - Similarto Why drill into the ocean floor? | Science Buzz

Rocks tell the story of the Earth. Tiny fossils in the core sample tell us what the ocean environment was like at different points in time, and at differen

reply to post by longjohnbritches


Notice how T,Boone Pickens ain't slobbering all over his stupid attempt at his shell game of 'Peak Oil'? He was trying to leverage his investments and got his head handed to him. His game keeps being played by the anti-oil folks though like it's true science when it's junk science!
Zindo

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by longjohnbritches

 

His game keeps being played by the anti-oil folks though like it's true science when it's junk science!
Zindo

Can you defend your statement with some data?
thanks ljb

reply to post by longjohnbritches


For months about two years ago, he was on nearly every venue he could be on TV and in print about his Peak Oil.
Like your links prove. Abiotic oil is real and his Peak Oil game isn't! Every day (well close) we discover new fields of oil that we thought wasn't there. We are re-drilling old wells that have played out in the early 1900's and finding more oil there! It's not secret! Trade Mags have been writing about this for the last two years.
We have oil and gas for 200+ years untapped. The Tech to run it cleanly is already out there. This 'Green Tech' crap doesn't work. It's a scam!

Zindo

Wind energy is inefficient and harmful to nature surrounding it.

While we still have 24 hr a day 7 day a week electricity. It would be prudent that in this time we make our best efforts to come up with new ways to provide energy. Better to make the changes now, rather then when we are on a 3 day week and rolling blackouts.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


There's no debate about that. Prudence in this case is a smart idea. However, the need to force untried tech on the masses while certain individuals hold all the cards and stifling any tech they don't control is old school and not being well regarded by those same masses. When it shouldn't take more that 10% of your income to heat your home and keep the lights on an get you to the work to earn that money you have a problem with your economy and pisses folks off! Specially when there is real evidence that this is a scam!

Zindo

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Speaking of propaganda....................

Unacceptable response.

You fail.

Actually pointing out the hypocrisy of using propaganda to fight propaganda is appropriate, and a reasonable debate tactic. The rebuttal pointing out this hypocrisy in the OP was succinct, and yet effectively discredits it. Although, it may be slightly off-topic, and could have been approached with less contempt.

Having said that, the primary motivators behind the climate change agenda, and their adversary, Big Oil (so to speak) all have a monetary stake in persuading the public to their point of view. Therefor, both perspectives are suspect. The Truth, is likely somewhere in the middle. Meanwhile, Zealots have yet another reason to stand on their soap boxes entertaining themselves (and frankly, the rest of us), and the world spins on to some unknown inevitable conclusion where the truth of the matter may or may not become readily apparent.

I am a big fan of alternative energy sources, and an even bigger fan of more research in that area. I also advocate more drilling in the meantime. I don't see the two as mutually exclusive, and in fact, I think that if we do end up in an energy mess, it will because of the rabid, insane insistence of the proverbial Great Unwashed on both sides that They Are Right, (and Damn the consequences if they are not).

Originally posted by luccadeo
Wind energy is inefficient and harmful to nature surrounding it.

Let's see some data here if you can?
thanks ljb

reply to post by NoHierarchy


go ask the danes if wind power works