Did the Germans launch a crewed rocket into space in 1933?, page 1

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Topic started on 15-5-2012 @ 02:40 PM by MI5edtoDeath

On October 29, 1933, the London Sunday Referee published a report from Rugen, an island in the Baltic Sea, just off the coast of Germany. Someone named Otto Fischer had flown inside a 24-foot steel rocket, to an altitude of six miles. Were the Germans really testing out a rocket that could carry people, nearly three decades before Yuri Gagarin?

Reports said that Otto was the brother of the rocket's designer, Bruno Fischer. The flight had been made in total secrecy because of a fatal attempt at a launch the previous year, combined with the fact that the flight had been made under the auspices of the Reichswehr, the German War Ministry. The rocket, the Referee reported, had been constructed in the town of Barmbeck, near Hamburg, and transported to Rügen.

"On Sunday morning, at 6 o'clock," the paper reported, "Otto Fischer shook hands with his brother and the small group of Reichswehr officials present to witness the experiment, and crawled into the rocket through the small steel door.
io9.com...

Not many people realise that pre-Hitler Germany was the most advanced country in the world. Even during the hyper-inflation period German science was achieving unimaginable advances that are only just now being exploited in some areas.

Conrad Habicht, Maurice Solovine and Einstein were from a cohort of tens of thousands of intellectual giants spilling out of Germany. These intellectuals were philosophers, engineers, architects, artists, physicists, writers, etc.

Had Hitler not poisoned Germany and the German people carried on as they were, the benefits to humanity would have been astounding.

reply posted on 15-5-2012 @ 02:47 PM by benrl

Germany was amazingly technologically advanced for the time.

They had Video conferencing PRE WW2... How nuts is that?

I completely believe that the Nazi's could of had some advanced flight abilities on a limited scale (toward the end they would of ran out of resources to fund the advance stuff), maybe even the ability to go into the lower reaches of space.

reply posted on 15-5-2012 @ 02:52 PM by Chamberf=6

reply to post by MI5edtoDeath

Never heard about this.

It's interesting, nice find.

I even check io9 most days, I missed it.

reply posted on 15-5-2012 @ 02:52 PM by amongus

Originally posted by benrl

They had Video conferencing PRE WW2... How nuts is that

I believe you...I'd just like a source.

reply posted on 15-5-2012 @ 02:59 PM by benrl

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www.fernsehmuseum.info...

Its in german

it used the exisiting coaxial wire system in place at the time before the war, I saw this in a cracked article recently but the source is from that german page.

Its crazy to think what they really could of been doing in their "black" projects, they had no squeamishness about what they could experiment with... I can see the logic behind operation paper clip... Not saying I agree just I can see why we took them all in.

reply posted on 15-5-2012 @ 03:10 PM by Germanicus

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Had Hitler not poisoned Germany and the German people carried on as they were, the benefits to humanity would have been astounding.

You have that backwards.
hitler turned things around. Germany was a mess when he came to power. He took it from a basketcase and turned it into the strongest economy in Europe in just four years. It was a miracle that was against all odds. He was a genius. And no Im not a nazi. That isnt even a real word. My favourite authors are Salinger and Kafka.I also like Adam Sandler.

Hitler made Germany great. Dont pretend that he didnt.

reply posted on 15-5-2012 @ 03:17 PM by SavedOne

Ummmm, did you guys actually click on the link and READ the article???

Out of a series of attempts the greatest distance the rocket travels is the end of the rack before sliding back down again. Eventually a more or less successful launch was made, the rocket landing 1,000 feet away after a more or less horizontal flight.

After this the city threw up its hands and abandoned the project.

A clue as to what started the entire manned rocket story might be found in the name Nebel had given his test rocket. It was called the "Magdeburg Pilot Rocket". An over-enthusiastic reporter had misunderstood the use of the word "pilot" and had run with it.

So the answer to the question that is the title of this thread is a definitive "no". They didn't even launch an unmanned rocket into space, they only launched one about 1000 feet horizontally.

reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 02:33 AM by MI5edtoDeath

Originally posted by SavedOne
Ummmm, did you guys actually click on the link and READ the article???

Out of a series of attempts the greatest distance the rocket travels is the end of the rack before sliding back down again. Eventually a more or less successful launch was made, the rocket landing 1,000 feet away after a more or less horizontal flight.

After this the city threw up its hands and abandoned the project.

A clue as to what started the entire manned rocket story might be found in the name Nebel had given his test rocket. It was called the "Magdeburg Pilot Rocket". An over-enthusiastic reporter had misunderstood the use of the word "pilot" and had run with it.

So the answer to the question that is the title of this thread is a definitive "no". They didn't even launch an unmanned rocket into space, they only launched one about 1000 feet horizontally.

ummmm..., yes. the title is very clear too. The article is interesting and indicative of the advance society of pre-WW2 Germany.

Sadly, I think that Germany is gone forever. Germany is a closed and xenophobic society with its technical advances laying the ground work for the ruination of this planet. Germany is showering Israel with the most advanced diesel electric nuclear weapon capable submarines.

reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 02:35 AM by cavtrooper7

Did you know the ME262 had a better flight envelope than an F86?

reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 11:41 AM by Panic2k11

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Hitler was many things but not a genius. The proof is simply on he having lost the war almost single handed (most of the really bad decisions are directly linked to him).

In regard to the original post that you commented, it depends on how the poster meant before Hitler. If taken before 30 January 1933 when Hitler became chancellor of Germany. The idea is acceptably correct. Germany had and still is regarded as a nation very much dedicated to precision and the creation of precise scientific instruments (and quality over quantity), this is one reason why the Chinese are very keen in getting German brand-names.

You are also partial correct, Hitler did turn temporarily the situation around (economically and socially), but by doing it on his terms, he created the need for German expansionism and the war.

The blame for the war or core issue is external, to Germany and Hitler. The global potencies at the time created the perfect storm not only for the event that fallowed but by refusing to act in time to prevent an escalation or even creating the perfect setup to someone like Hitler to emerge. The last straw was the criminal way that the world reacted to the events in Spain and it's civil war...

Nothing seems to have been learned, the situation today with the continuous delay in resolving the world's problems that remain basically the same from the onset of the human experience (food, water and security) is again brewing to a critical point. This time it will be truly global.

Hitler should not be given any credit by anything positive that happened while he was in power because the negatives he was responsible of erased any long lasting benefits.

As for the USA and the USSR they were acted like thugs as soon as Berlin was taken, they ripped everything that was not nailed down from art, technology, values and even female virtues. Some of the technology theft was not even limited to Germany but to most of Europe that was in shambles. You need not look much further than how they treated European intellectual property rights (that they now so vehemently defend).

Nations do not do benevolent acts, they act on self interest. A nation (like a corporation) is amoral, especially when they act in impunity. To the victor the spoils and the advantageous position proclaim "the facts".

Paper clip is just the tip of the iceberg, but is a true example on how morals (or even the attribution of responsibility and justice) has no better response from the Communist Soviets or Capitalist America alike.

I strongly dislike Adam Sandler in movies he performs a comic character. The jokes often appeal to lowest common denominator and are not very well played out (or require a good actor). The only exception is the movie Idiocracy...

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reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 03:15 PM by Germanicus

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Adam Sandler is awesome Billy Madison and Happy Gilmore are great movies. He was also great on Saturday Night Live. That was when the show was at its best. They had Farley,Spade,Phil Hartman,.....I agree that most of his movies suck but he is just making money now. Early Sandler is awesome. I can appreciate Kafka and also Sandler. Maybe we just have a different sense of humour.

And I dont think you can dicount the great things that Hitler achieved just because he lost the War. Or because of the bad things that he did. Expansion wasnt the only option. Hitler had a grat economy running. He built that economy from nothing against all odds. He outsmartest the international Banking Cartel. National Socialism works. National Socialism does not have to be racist. He can seperate it. National Socialsim does not have to involve expansion. But initially Hitler was just reclaiming lost German territoy anyway. And the German army was cheered in. All of the resources that were funnelled into militarization could have been pumped back into the economy just as easily.

National Socialism is what we can take from Hitler. It works. he proved it.

reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 03:21 PM by spoor

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
Germany is showering Israel with the most advanced diesel electric nuclear weapon capable submarines.

Again you are showing your ignorance - Any submarine is nuclear capable....

reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 03:27 PM by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath

Not many people realise that pre-Hitler Germany was the most advanced country in the world. Even during the hyper-inflation period German science was achieving unimaginable advances that are only just now being exploited in some areas.

Conrad Habicht, Maurice Solovine and Einstein were from a cohort of tens of thousands of intellectual giants spilling out of Germany. These intellectuals were philosophers, engineers, architects, artists, physicists, writers, etc.

Had Hitler not poisoned Germany and the German people carried on as they were, the benefits to humanity would have been astounding.

Great points. Have you read "The Rise of the Fourth Reich" by Jim Marrs? Much info in the book about the Nazi's and their scientific accomplishments and what really happened to tens of thousands of the scientists and many other Nazi's after the war - many came to the US, many such a Bormann went to South America, and some were forced to go to Russia.

reply posted on 17-5-2012 @ 06:05 AM by MI5edtoDeath

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
Germany is showering Israel with the most advanced diesel electric nuclear weapon capable submarines.

Again you are showing your ignorance - Any submarine is nuclear capable....

Do you mean submarines like this;

...or were you merely being abusive because I suggested that Germany wrongfully gives Israel nuclear weapon capable submarines?

reply posted on 17-5-2012 @ 06:34 AM by spoor

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
Do you mean submarines like this;

Yes, you could have launch a Davy Crockett from it.... You do not understand that "nuclear capable" actually has very little meaning - a Cessna 206 is a nuclear capable aircraft,, and a ferry is a nuclear capable ship....

reply posted on 17-5-2012 @ 06:36 AM by MI5edtoDeath

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
Do you mean submarines like this;

Yes, you could have launch a Davy Crockett from it.... You do not understand that "nuclear capable" actually has very little meaning - a Cessna 206 is a nuclear capable aircraft,, and a ferry is a nuclear capable ship....

I understand. You are referring to the precision of language and my verbal short comings. Thanks for the lesson on semantics.

reply posted on 17-5-2012 @ 07:25 AM by Cauliflower

This sounds like someone rode a Von Braun V2 style rocket into space. The Horton brothers dreamed up the US space shuttle design in the 30's but I doubt it was implemented back then.

Many of the German failures were probably due to heel dragging by the German engineers. They really did not want to have their designs used for killing. For example Hitler wanted to build a long range bomber capable of reaching New York city. He was told by the engineers that the engines would overheat. Clearly they knew ceramic bearings could have been used.

The German engineers were happy to flip hats and go to work out in area 51 so that begs the question "how could they be sure their technology wouldn't be used inappropriately by the American military?". Focusing on purely defensive technology such as the U2 and SR71 recon planes would have provided some assurance. The space race for satellite technology and planetary exploration was another area that was less likely to be used by an offensive military regime.

There is a lot we don't know about the operation paperclip scientists. They must have had much more political clout in the US then has been reported by the media.

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reply posted on 17-5-2012 @ 10:39 AM by dashdespatch

reply to post by Germanicus

The German army was cheered into Austria but that was never part of Germany. The territory it "took back" (parts of Poland) nobody was cheering there!

en.wikipedia.org...

reply posted on 26-5-2012 @ 03:46 AM by Panic2k11

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The Ukrainians also cheered the Nazis. After being largely mistreated by the Soviets, they soon learned how wrong they were. Conquers are never heroes, or even benevolent to those that are conquered as they have hold all the bargaining power and are invested in exploitation or they wouldn't have any return for their trouble.

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