I think the words Fraudulant or Hypocritical would be more precise words for Organised Religion than Anti-Homosexual.
Religion is nothing more then organized crime in other words.
Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual, page 7
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 12:34 AM by bftroop
reply to post by SaturnFX
Homosexuality is not a sin. In the bible it's considered an abomination. One of many quotes from the bible.
I"f a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
I am a christian. But I am not a preacher nor a practitioner of the bible. But a believer in it. I believe there is a god, that there is something bigger than humans. But why I'm a christian isn't important here.
Here is what it's important. I just want you to think for a moment. Ask yourself this question and answer it honestly.
Why is it that the world never questions a man and a woman? Why is it that gay people don't rise up and say that a Man and a Woman together is unnatural?
Let's ask the same question. Why is it the world never questions a Man and a Man? Why is it that straight people don't rise up and say that a Woman and a Woman is Unnatural?
Get the point?
Do you think this is really a religious issue? It really isn't is it?
By a show of hands how many in here think beauty are two men holding hands in the park whispering sweet nothings to one another?
Why is it that in every gay relationship there is one that acts as the man and one that acts as the woman?
Again I'm not preaching. I'm just putting a few questions out there that might get your mind going a bit.
Taking nothing from the bible or my beliefs. It just makes sense that a woman and a man can have a baby but a man and a man or a woman and a woman cannot. Not without help.
The goal of man is to procreate. To carry on. To Survive. And if everyone on the planet was homosexual we would not exist at all. That by itself makes homosexuality unnatural.
I personally don't care who or what you are. I live my life the way I live mine. My job as a christian is to help those that need help, that want help and that can except it a push in that direction.
Everyone has the right to make their own decisions. My decisions are for me and i choose the christian way. You may say my way is Anti-homosexual. I say my way just make sense of the truth.
I respect everyone even homosexuals regardless of my religion.
Homosexuality is not a sin. In the bible it's considered an abomination. One of many quotes from the bible.
I"f a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
I am a christian. But I am not a preacher nor a practitioner of the bible. But a believer in it. I believe there is a god, that there is something bigger than humans. But why I'm a christian isn't important here.
Here is what it's important. I just want you to think for a moment. Ask yourself this question and answer it honestly.
Why is it that the world never questions a man and a woman? Why is it that gay people don't rise up and say that a Man and a Woman together is unnatural?
Let's ask the same question. Why is it the world never questions a Man and a Man? Why is it that straight people don't rise up and say that a Woman and a Woman is Unnatural?
Get the point?
Do you think this is really a religious issue? It really isn't is it?
By a show of hands how many in here think beauty are two men holding hands in the park whispering sweet nothings to one another?
Why is it that in every gay relationship there is one that acts as the man and one that acts as the woman?
Again I'm not preaching. I'm just putting a few questions out there that might get your mind going a bit.
Taking nothing from the bible or my beliefs. It just makes sense that a woman and a man can have a baby but a man and a man or a woman and a woman cannot. Not without help.
The goal of man is to procreate. To carry on. To Survive. And if everyone on the planet was homosexual we would not exist at all. That by itself makes homosexuality unnatural.
I personally don't care who or what you are. I live my life the way I live mine. My job as a christian is to help those that need help, that want help and that can except it a push in that direction.
Everyone has the right to make their own decisions. My decisions are for me and i choose the christian way. You may say my way is Anti-homosexual. I say my way just make sense of the truth.
I respect everyone even homosexuals regardless of my religion.
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 12:48 AM by TerribleTeam2
Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by TerribleTeam2
I think the words Fraudulant or Hypocritical would be more precise words for Organised Religion than Anti-Homosexual.
Religion is nothing more then organized crime in other words.
Exactly! But at least with Organised Crime, the participants are in prison.
Just look at the links between Organised Crime and Organised Religion - Both are out to make as much money as they can, both don't pay taxes on the money they make, both have been known to kill anyone that disagrees with them, both have been known to kill PLENTY of opposition (just look at the Crusades and the wars that have gone on between the big organised crime families), both think they are above the law, and when called out on whether they have done anything wrong, they claim they haven't...............
But hey, if you disagree with what the Church has to say, you are either going to Hell, or are discriminating against them. Sometimes both at the same time...........
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 12:53 AM by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by TerribleTeam2
And what is funny about this say for example you gave money to the offering basket. Is the church ever going to ask where you got the money from? Of course not, you could of robbed a bank and gave them a good chunk of it to the church and they wouldn't ask any questions on how you got it.
And what is funny about this say for example you gave money to the offering basket. Is the church ever going to ask where you got the money from? Of course not, you could of robbed a bank and gave them a good chunk of it to the church and they wouldn't ask any questions on how you got it.
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 01:00 AM by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by KonquestAbySS
And what's worse, is the fact of if you and I were to profit from the proceeds of crime, we would be on the docks in front of a Jury quicker than you can say "OMGWTFBBQ!!!!", but if the Church recieves proceeds of Crime, nothing is done to them, because they are, as I said before, ABOVE THE LAW!!!!
And what's worse, is the fact of if you and I were to profit from the proceeds of crime, we would be on the docks in front of a Jury quicker than you can say "OMGWTFBBQ!!!!", but if the Church recieves proceeds of Crime, nothing is done to them, because they are, as I said before, ABOVE THE LAW!!!!
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 01:05 AM by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by AQuestion
ROFL! The standard reply of the Religious that can't critically think, and have been called out on being in the wrong. As they say alot on the World of Warcraft forums - QQ much????
ROFL! The standard reply of the Religious that can't critically think, and have been called out on being in the wrong. As they say alot on the World of Warcraft forums - QQ much????
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 01:06 AM by SoulReaper
reply to post by SaturnFX
I don't deny that the simple one word or one line associations are clear indicators. But that doesn't make them right or correct.
So just because a study shows the the majority of programmed young people have been taught to associated Anti-homosexuality with Christianity doesn't make it so. True Christianity can't be defined by the education system or the mainstream media outlets or by hollywood for that matter.
True Christians are Defined by Christ. It is his moral foundation we stand on and his Love for Sinners that we preach.
Any Homosexual who spent any amount of time around true Christians would come to know two things,
First, that Christianity is Not about Excusing Immorality, but about Forgiving it.
Second, That Christianity is not about Excluding people from the benefits found only in Christ, but about Including them in it.
Forgiveness and Inclusion with Christ is what truly defines Christianity. And the fact that most people do not understand this has everything to do with Sin and Nothing to do with the true Nature of Christianity.
In one way or another people struggle to Look past the real SIN that still exists even in the true Christian and fail to see the benefit of Christ that covers those sins. Or they hate the fact that Christianity would call their own behavior as immoral and sinful. By this they feel Judged rather then convicted and this causes them to lash out.
Regardless of the reasons, I can tell you that True Christianity will Never become a footnote. It will remain as a light on a hill, as a beacon for humanity to turn toward Christ in repentance. Even as it inspires hate from the unbelieving world for the sin that it exposes.
And btw, very few children who grow up in homes with True Christian parents depart from the Faith. There are far more False believers then there are true Believers in the organized church. As such any statistics on the matter will be misleading toward the actual reality.
Soul
I don't deny that the simple one word or one line associations are clear indicators. But that doesn't make them right or correct.
So just because a study shows the the majority of programmed young people have been taught to associated Anti-homosexuality with Christianity doesn't make it so. True Christianity can't be defined by the education system or the mainstream media outlets or by hollywood for that matter.
True Christians are Defined by Christ. It is his moral foundation we stand on and his Love for Sinners that we preach.
Any Homosexual who spent any amount of time around true Christians would come to know two things,
First, that Christianity is Not about Excusing Immorality, but about Forgiving it.
Second, That Christianity is not about Excluding people from the benefits found only in Christ, but about Including them in it.
Forgiveness and Inclusion with Christ is what truly defines Christianity. And the fact that most people do not understand this has everything to do with Sin and Nothing to do with the true Nature of Christianity.
In one way or another people struggle to Look past the real SIN that still exists even in the true Christian and fail to see the benefit of Christ that covers those sins. Or they hate the fact that Christianity would call their own behavior as immoral and sinful. By this they feel Judged rather then convicted and this causes them to lash out.
Regardless of the reasons, I can tell you that True Christianity will Never become a footnote. It will remain as a light on a hill, as a beacon for humanity to turn toward Christ in repentance. Even as it inspires hate from the unbelieving world for the sin that it exposes.
And btw, very few children who grow up in homes with True Christian parents depart from the Faith. There are far more False believers then there are true Believers in the organized church. As such any statistics on the matter will be misleading toward the actual reality.
Soul
edit on 16-5-2012 by SoulReaper because: error
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 01:09 AM by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by TerribleTeam2
Reminds me of the middle age Feudal system...
but if the Church recieves proceeds of Crime, nothing is done to them, because they are, as I said before, ABOVE THE LAW!!!!
Reminds me of the middle age Feudal system...
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 01:13 AM by AQuestion
Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by AQuestion
ROFL! The standard reply of the Religious that can't critically think, and have been called out on being in the wrong. As they say alot on the World of Warcraft forums - QQ much????
Dear TerribleTean2,
What is the standard response of us religious nuts, that we don't have a problem with what others do in their beds? You are contradicting yourself or you are incapable of reading the whole thread. Please use complete thoughts in your posts so that we can know what it is you are trying to say. Glad to know you play world of warcraft, that may explain it.
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 01:16 AM by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by KonquestAbySS
Hahahahahaha, that's because the Church is still living in the Middle Ages, well when it comes to their "Critical Thinking" anyways!!!!
Now get back to Church and repent your sins! Because we people that don't believe in God are heathens, and don't have Morals or anything of the like, because that is the domain of the Church!!!!
Hahahahahaha, that's because the Church is still living in the Middle Ages, well when it comes to their "Critical Thinking" anyways!!!!
Now get back to Church and repent your sins! Because we people that don't believe in God are heathens, and don't have Morals or anything of the like, because that is the domain of the Church!!!!
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 01:19 AM by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by AQuestion
So playing a game makes people stupid???? GO GO MASS GENERALISATIONS!!!!
And your response shows EXACTLY the point I was making, that most Religious people resort to name calling, and making mass generalisations, instead of thinking critically and looking at things in a different perspective when proven wrong.
Thanks heaps for proving my point though.
So playing a game makes people stupid???? GO GO MASS GENERALISATIONS!!!!
And your response shows EXACTLY the point I was making, that most Religious people resort to name calling, and making mass generalisations, instead of thinking critically and looking at things in a different perspective when proven wrong.
Thanks heaps for proving my point though.
reply posted on 16-5-2012 @ 01:28 AM by Astyanax
reply to post by samsamm9
No, it is a tissue of lies.
The Concise Oxford Dictionary does not give that origin for the word 'seminary'. Here is the entry from my 1988 edition of the COD:
I have no idea why Diderot's Encyclopedia (an ancient, outdated French publication) is (mis)quoted to define 'pulpit' – an English word, derived (according, again, to my COD) from the Latin word pulpitam, which means 'platform'. The use of the word 'pull' to mean 'seduce' is British and late twentieth-century, so it cannot, obviously, have had anything to do with the derivation of 'pulpit'.
The book Secrets of the Christian Fathers appears not to exist; at any rate, the only mentions I can find on Google are from Christian-bashing sites. I bet it's a fabrication, just like the rest of that extract you quoted.
I've done a fair share of Christian-bashing of my own, on and off, but let's not spread disinformation and libel, shall we?
And now, a few words about the OP.
If this news comes as a surprise to anyone, they must be living in a sealed outhouse. The quoted research is about popular perceptions, and popular perceptions are rarely detailed or concerned with niceties. Yes, of course there are thousands, possibly millions of American Christians who are not homophobic; even, obviously, many thousands who are actual homosexuals. The research results don't deny this; they merely establish what the popular perceptions about Christianity among young non-Christians are. Can any American Christian honestly say the reported perception does not exist, or that it is a minority view?
I live on the opposite side of the world from America, yet I, too, clearly perceive that American Christianity is anti-homosexual. That is how it is reported in the media, both US and international. And that is the only way the statements of most American religious conservatives, who are the loudest and most visible speakers 'for' American Christianity in the media, can possibly be interpreted.
If American Christianity is not homophobic, it has a terrible, terrible public-relations problem, and American Christians should be doing their best to show that the perception is false and that they are really cool with homosexuals and homosexuality. They won't, though. Because, mostly, they are not.
The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines the word ‘seminary’ as originating from ‘semen-ary, a place of vice’ (The Concise Oxford Dictionary, p. 1131). In ancient times seminaries were male Church brothels where bishops and priests met to ‘exchange semen’ in homosexual activities in a ‘pull-pit’ (‘pulpit today’; Diderot’s Encyclopèdie, 1759). In the 1600s, the term ‘semen-arians’ was applied to the founder of the Jesuits, Ignatius Loyola (1533) and his followers, who were engaged in strange and mutual male-to-male sexual activities (Secrets of the Christian Fathers, Bishop J. W. Sergerus, 1685; also; Diderot’s Encyclopèdie, 1759). Knowledge of the existence of male priesthood brothels in Christian tradition is ‘pregnant with consequences’ (The Concise Oxford Dictionary, p. 1131) and is rarely mentioned by Church historians today. Nor is it mentioned that there is an old Christian tradition that priests were ‘anointed with semen so that they became ‘holy’, that is, separated to the God’s service’
Is this true ?
No, it is a tissue of lies.
The Concise Oxford Dictionary does not give that origin for the word 'seminary'. Here is the entry from my 1988 edition of the COD:
seminary n., pl. -naries.
From Latin seminarium, a nursery garden, from semen (seed).
- an academy for the training of priests, rabbis, etc.
- A private secondary school, especially for girls. Rare.
- Another word for seminar. U.S.
- A place where something is grown.
I have no idea why Diderot's Encyclopedia (an ancient, outdated French publication) is (mis)quoted to define 'pulpit' – an English word, derived (according, again, to my COD) from the Latin word pulpitam, which means 'platform'. The use of the word 'pull' to mean 'seduce' is British and late twentieth-century, so it cannot, obviously, have had anything to do with the derivation of 'pulpit'.
The book Secrets of the Christian Fathers appears not to exist; at any rate, the only mentions I can find on Google are from Christian-bashing sites. I bet it's a fabrication, just like the rest of that extract you quoted.
I've done a fair share of Christian-bashing of my own, on and off, but let's not spread disinformation and libel, shall we?
*
And now, a few words about the OP.
If this news comes as a surprise to anyone, they must be living in a sealed outhouse. The quoted research is about popular perceptions, and popular perceptions are rarely detailed or concerned with niceties. Yes, of course there are thousands, possibly millions of American Christians who are not homophobic; even, obviously, many thousands who are actual homosexuals. The research results don't deny this; they merely establish what the popular perceptions about Christianity among young non-Christians are. Can any American Christian honestly say the reported perception does not exist, or that it is a minority view?
I live on the opposite side of the world from America, yet I, too, clearly perceive that American Christianity is anti-homosexual. That is how it is reported in the media, both US and international. And that is the only way the statements of most American religious conservatives, who are the loudest and most visible speakers 'for' American Christianity in the media, can possibly be interpreted.
If American Christianity is not homophobic, it has a terrible, terrible public-relations problem, and American Christians should be doing their best to show that the perception is false and that they are really cool with homosexuals and homosexuality. They won't, though. Because, mostly, they are not.
edit on 16/5/12 by Astyanax because: I got my dictionaries mixed up.
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