Again, people missing Y'Shua's message...this has ZERO to do with the laws men made around the Gospel..one has nothing to do with another...STOP
seeing Dogma as Truth...Jeez. All one has to do is walk PAST any religious INSTITUTION right to the Library to READ his message....none of this
garbage is even mentioned!!
Stop blaming the Word of God....blame the religious law makers
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No worries, help is on the way, and then the debate shall continue.
On topic though I think that Christianity needs to sort out this difference between curing a gay orientation and simply hammering on about the "gay
Clearly they respond to homosexuals in ways that both limit gay options and actively divide them from the ideal of monogamy, because they actually see
gay people as misguided straight people, and gayness shouldn't be "enabled".
Just like according to religious conservatives HIV/AIDS prevention shouldn't provide clean needles, or condoms in prisons, because that's enabling
"illegal activities", even if those are largely preventable routes of transmission into the African American and gay populations, and people get AIDS
and still die.
Gays should snap out of it and revert to heterosexuality, and there's no happiness for them in a religious sense either mentally or physically.
Of course that's not only true for fundamentalist Christianity, but other religions too.
Although they only tend to punish certain acts, and they've only recently become aware that psychological homophobia also exists and creates a whole
new class and business for psycho-religious experts to "cure" the orientation.
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How so VERY ignorant to base your views (your labeling) of Christianity on what some 16-29 year-olds say Christianity is! Why not poll some older
Or, I dunno, try reading the Bible yourself. How much of it deals with homosexuality? 1%...maybe?
The whole point is that people that age tend to be ultra-liberal so I think most people can see right through this poll.
Frankly I'm sick of hearing homosexuals calling Christians bigots. Oh.. really? Simply for saying they believe it is a sin? Calling homosexuality a
sin does not equate to saying "I hate you." You can think you child does something awful and still love them. But immediately when someone says
homosexuality is wrong, people jump to the conclusion that this person HATES gay people.
We are not all westboro church! So stop painting us all with the same brush stroke.
I could throw it right back in your face. This anti-Christian gay movement is quite bigoted itself! I don't have to agree with you. I don't have to
like what you do. Get over it!
You want to get a pat on your back? Approval? Do something positive that warrants it then!
And if you don't, what difference does it make what my beliefs on it are?! You're gonna do what you want anyway. I mean besides marriage... which is a
whole different topic.
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I've been trying to grasp this whole debate in the US for a while.
I thought for as long time that in a civilized country it is surely just a cultural and theological debate.
However last night I wanted to find out a bit more about "conversion therapies" and "ex gay ministries".
Such individuals and groups who claim to "cure" homosexuality differ widely.
Some even appear as Christians camps, but become places where gay people meet partners.
Nevertheless, others are clearly run by sadists and disturbed religious people.
How can a civilized country submit underage kids to shock therapy, which is nothing but torture?
Thus it's an artificially created debate from people who want money, and it can include real torture, and since the adult market no longer
significantly falls for the ex-gay scam, they now feed on the perceived sexuality of young people and the fears of their parents.
Homophobia is introduced by fundamentalist Christian activism to younger people.
I don't see gay people torturing straight kids to become gay.
Imagine Christians of 15 being bound to a chair and shocked with ice and electricity, until they see the error of their religion, and stop talking to
invisible cloud people!
We'd say that's an undemocratic regime of devils unleashed on youngsters.
But that's what is happening to some gay kids in the US!
Surely not all Christians would stand for this.
However, as long as people are physically and mentally tortured for being gay I am not convinced it's a tit-for-tat debate.
The one side has a minority of deranged extremists torturing people and splitting gay people from their families, and gay people are supposed to stay
tolerant about this rubbish?
That's not a debate.
That's an absolute nightmare for any democracy.
This clip introduces the debate from various sides, and nobody has complete proof at the moment for the causes of sexual orientations.
But is that a reason to beat and torture people for being attracted to the same sex?
Is that a reason to take religious young people and tell them that God hates them, and that they have "AIDS" before they ever had sex?
Clearly religious homophobia is also disordered.
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