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Bilderberg Scheme To Save The Euro

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posted on May, 15 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Oh I remember, I also remember how people had affordable housing, could go for a drive just for fun and had Sunday off.
All gone in the name of "progress"
It'll take a hell of a lot to get things back on track after the last 30 years.




posted on May, 15 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Then more people should talk about it and hopefully shed some light. ATS has been hijacked by right wingers the last 5 years and I often feel like I am the only person who knows what they are talking about. Not that I enjoy sounding egotistical.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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You know what they say about leading a horse to water...
Perhaps the whole euro situation with Greece will be a catalyst, though I expect it'll take 20% of the UK to be homeless before we wake up and sort it out.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Germanicus
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Ha!

I have been saying this for ages. Of course they are terrified. They see their doom on the horizon.

Nationalize.

That is what keeps them awake. That is what makes them shake. That is what will destroy them.

Nationalize everything!


Are you the only person to figure this out? I thought I was on ATS wasting my time............


We only need to nationalize the industries that are integral to our standard of living. Banking, energy, food, healthcare, water, transportation, communication, and housing to a degree. Doesn't mean you don't reward workers for a job well done or innovation.

Industries that provide goods and services not vital to our standard of living should stay capitalistic.

The Euro zone is not looking too good regardless of a Greece exit or not. Greece will liklely just grease the skids so to say.


It already was like that in western europe going back at least 20 years ago. Slowely but surely reaganomics and thatcherism killed the "by the people and for the people" dream under the guise of economic reform. They never told europeans that the central bank is a debt dictatorship which undermines public opinions and demands. The banks always came first!

Are there any europeans on ATS that remember any of this? Surely it was not thaaaattt looooonnggg ago
But we sure as hell remember World War 2, which was 30 years before european socialism. My, my, my....how soon we forget what is so convient and prop up ONLY the UGLY! In fact I am having doubts if it was 3 milion or 6 million "undesirables" gassed to death by nazis. Jews lie about A LOT of things to keep world war 3 alive.
edit on 5/15/2012 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)


The people that do remember the 70s nationalised industry are in no hurry to the return to it.

Only the young who've never had to deal with it romanticise nationalised industry.

I would nationalise Power Generation and Water because of the importance to national survival and because they require long term decisions that are contrary to the short term optimum. In these cases its better to do the right thing inefficiently over the long term than the wrong thing efficiently.

I would not nationalise banking but I would enforce segregation of investment and high street banking, and more importantly institute full reserve banking, in effect nationalising the ability to create currency.

www.positivemoney.org.uk...

It suits people to create a false choice that its either the broken crony capitalism we have now, or the type of socialism that has fallen into failure every time its been tried at a national level.

I just noticed the disgraceful holocaust denial at the bottom of your post. For shame.

edit on 15-5-2012 by justwokeup because: sad discovery



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by justwokeup

It suits people to create a false choice that its either the broken crony capitalism we have now, or the type of socialism that has fallen into failure every time its been tried at a national level.




...or the type of socialism that hasn't been given the chance to to work every time it has been tried on a national level.

I think that's what you meant to type.

There's no way for any "pure capitalism" or "pure socialism" to work. A mixture of the two seems to work better in any situation.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by justwokeup

The people that do remember the 70s nationalised industry are in no hurry to the return to it.

Only the young who've never had to deal with it romanticise nationalised industry.

I would nationalise Power Generation and Water because of the importance to national survival and because they require long term decisions that are contrary to the short term optimum. In these cases its better to do the right thing inefficiently over the long term than the wrong thing efficiently.


I would argue nationalised industry is more efficient and much more reliable in the long run than private industry. In other words no corners are cut to maximise profits.


I would not nationalise banking but I would enforce segregation of investment and high street banking, and more importantly institute full reserve banking, in effect nationalising the ability to create currency.

www.positivemoney.org.uk...

It suits people to create a false choice that its either the broken crony capitalism we have now, or the type of socialism that has fallen into failure every time its been tried at a national level.


Banking, and especially central banking, should be nationalised. Unless you enjoy being its slave. I thought the whole idea was to get rid of bondage. Re-read the post you quoted from if needed. You can't cry for freedom on one hand and then ask for more of the same...it is hypocrisy!



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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People who argue against nationalization and complain about the Fed being owned by people/corporate entities instead of the government are really confusing.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by justwokeup

I just noticed the disgraceful holocaust denial at the bottom of your post. For shame.

edit on 15-5-2012 by justwokeup because: sad discovery


Oh please! I am not denying anything. Just questioning the numbers of the holocaust and what really happened does not make me an anti-semite. It makes me a truther!

What do you think is the reason for attacking iraq twice? For the oil? In case you did not notice gasoline is selling for $4.50 a gallon in the states and something like $10 a gallon in europe. And now we have iran and israel threatning each other which destabilises the area further and will likely cause prices to go up again.

Don't you think speculators on wall street are making a killing? Who do think most of these speculators are? Who controls gold, diamonds, banking, etc? You are naive!



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by justwokeup

The people that do remember the 70s nationalised industry are in no hurry to the return to it.

Only the young who've never had to deal with it romanticise nationalised industry.

I would nationalise Power Generation and Water because of the importance to national survival and because they require long term decisions that are contrary to the short term optimum. In these cases its better to do the right thing inefficiently over the long term than the wrong thing efficiently.


I would argue nationalised industry is more efficient and much more reliable in the long run than private industry. In other words no corners are cut to maximise profits.


I would not nationalise banking but I would enforce segregation of investment and high street banking, and more importantly institute full reserve banking, in effect nationalising the ability to create currency.

www.positivemoney.org.uk...

It suits people to create a false choice that its either the broken crony capitalism we have now, or the type of socialism that has fallen into failure every time its been tried at a national level.


Banking, and especially central banking, should be nationalised. Unless you enjoy being its slave. I thought the whole idea was to get rid of bondage. Re-read the post you quoted from if needed. You can't cry for freedom on one hand and then ask for more of the same...it is hypocrisy!


Did you follow and read the link in my post?

The problem is that the banks create the money. Look at what that proposal does.

Thats not to say the banks themselves are nationalised. They can still operate and compete among themselves for depositors and investors. They simply lose the privilege of creating money. Its a quite fundamental change.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Yes the central bank should be nationalised. That is exactly what I meant!

I have no problem with commercial banks competing for customers. It is healthy in this regard.

Anything that is critical for national infrastructure should be nationalised. Everything else should remain private!

Hence mixed economy. I have been saying it for years and that is what most people mean with socialism. The fact so many people confuse socialism with communism is a conspiracy of its own and based on the gross errors of the communist manifesto of the 19th century.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by justwokeup
 


Yes the central bank should be nationalised. That is exactly what I meant!

I have no problem with commercial banks competing for customers. It is healthy in this regard.

Anything that is critical for national infrastructure should be nationalised. Everything else should remain private!

Hence mixed economy. I have been saying it for years and that is what most people mean with socialism. The fact so many people confuse socialism with communism is a conspiracy of its own and based on the gross errors of the communist manifesto of the 19th century.


Oh my god. A serious discussion about Nationalization. My dreams are coming true.
Greece,Spain and Portugal are in a fantastic position to pilot National Socialism or at least move towards it. Argentina nayionalized a large part of their oil recently. It can be done. Its not a fantasy. The Oil Industry is a great place to start. There are only four corporations. The big four are ExxonMobil,Shell,BP and Chevron. ExxonMobil's revenue in 2011 was $486.429 billion.Royal Dutch Shell's revenue in 2011 was $470.171 billion. BP's revenue for 2011 was $386.460 billion. Chevron's revenue for 2011 was $253.706 billion. I know they are multinational. But it can be done. An Executive Order already exists in America to nationalize what is based in America. Its already an emergency. Its getting closer to the time to nationalize. The Higher Education Industry should be next in addition to forgiving all student debt. That is enough to get the ball rolling for voters.Much bettersounding than Austerity. Nationalization is coming closer each day.



posted on May, 15 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by Davian
 

Ha!

I have been saying this for ages. Of course they are terrified. They see their doom on the horizon.

Nationalize.

That is what keeps them awake. That is what makes them shake. That is what will destroy them.

Nationalize everything!


Are you the only person to figure this out? I thought I was on ATS wasting my time............


We only need to nationalize the industries that are integral to our standard of living. Banking, energy, food, healthcare, water, transportation, communication, and housing to a degree. Doesn't mean you don't reward workers for a job well done or innovation.

Industries that provide goods and services not vital to our standard of living should stay capitalistic.

The Euro zone is not looking too good regardless of a Greece exit or not. Greece will liklely just grease the skids so to say.


It already was like that in western europe going back at least 20 years ago. Slowely but surely reaganomics and thatcherism killed the "by the people and for the people" dream under the guise of economic reform. They never told europeans that the central bank is a debt dictatorship which undermines public opinions and demands. The banks always came first!

Are there any europeans on ATS that remember any of this? Surely it was not thaaaattt looooonnggg ago
But we sure as hell remember World War 2, which was 30 years before european socialism. My, my, my....how soon we forget what is so convient and prop up ONLY the UGLY! In fact I am having doubts if it was 3 milion or 6 million "undesirables" gassed to death by nazis. Jews lie about A LOT of things to keep world war 3 alive.
edit on 5/15/2012 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)


We certainly do like to focus on the UGLY
If there is a plan you focus on what's important.



posted on May, 16 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Davian

Bilderberg Scheme To Save The Euro


www.infowars.com

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The Bilderberg Group is terrified that Greece’s potential exit from the eurozone could lead to a dramatic economic recovery and provide a template for other countries to follow suit, threatening to torpedo the euro single currency and the entire agenda for a European federal superstate.
(visit the link for the full news article)





Burn baby burn!
I enjoy it when the ptb's scheming ways unravel like a spinning top!



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by WatchRider

Originally posted by Davian

Bilderberg Scheme To Save The Euro


www.infowars.com

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The Bilderberg Group is terrified that Greece’s potential exit from the eurozone could lead to a dramatic economic recovery and provide a template for other countries to follow suit, threatening to torpedo the euro single currency and the entire agenda for a European federal superstate.
(visit the link for the full news article)





Burn baby burn!
I enjoy it when the ptb's scheming ways unravel like a spinning top!

If Greece doesn't pull through we're all screwed.



posted on May, 17 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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How exactly would Greece exit the Euro?


Re-print the Drachma stick two fingers up at the Eurozone if Greece goes first i think they will be less affected with the chaos that will happen when the Euro finally fails
Germany has the most to lose as they have pushed the Euro and have billions tied up in it and i think want a republic/federal European state
Oh and Tony Blair Who wants to be King of Europe

Cran



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