reply to post by mbkennel
reply to post by Maslo
I think the materialist monists need to aquaint themselves with Wheeler's delayed choice experiment, which upholds the Copenhagen Interpretation of
QM, the "difficulties" of which are satisfactorily resolved (the moon is still there when we're not looking at it) only by positing a monistic
idealist framework (consciousness, not matter is primary). This reminds me of Descarte's proof of God which suggests that the objective reality of
anything must be held within a mind.
If you wish to argue against this, you are forced to argue that the human being, as a free will causal agent, is nothing but a "thing" or an "it", or,
if you're willing to admit that there is a certain qualia of personal experience which we enjoy as free will causal agents ie: a person, then you
must, to uphold the materialist position, argue against free will, as the freedom to choose and opt instead for a superdeterministic outcome ie: no
other choice than the one taken was possible, which denies the existence of the probability wave in the first place, and raises even more difficult
From what I've been able to gather, there are only three possible interpretations or outcomes from QM
2) Multiworlds Theory - everything splits off in every direction including the choice that ISN'T made.
3) Transluminal Connectedness - all is one, within one field of consciousness (monistic idealism) including both observer and the observed.
If we rule out 1) based on free will, as the freedom to choose what and how to measure, and 2) on the basis that it's absurd that everything that
wasn't chosen must manifest itself, then we are left with # 3.
"To be is to be percieved."
This is the rational and logical conclusion that must be drawn, which the OP seems to grasp in saying that "Something truly wondrous is going on."
For me, the joy of inclusion within this framework, is astounding, and evokes in me a sense of profound gratitude and of a type of "homecoming", part
of the universal heavenly family if you will by the sheer fact that "I thnk (and feel) therefore I am", but do not exist within the sphere of
which is what you end up with with materialist monism ie: imprisoned within a subjective isoloation chamber
limited exclusively to the scull absent the possibility of authentic freedom, the only escape from which is death as an eternal oblivion.
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