Breaking: Ron Paul to end active campaigning - cnn

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by ipsedixit
reply to post by itsmethegoat

 

Ya got me there.

When I wrote the post originally I was going by the tabulated poll results listed on the webpage from November of 2011 to the present, not from the graphic. Paul was still averaging 15% support.

When I uploaded the graphic I noticed that the table started from January of 2011 and so edited my post to reflect that. I never saw the 2008 reference until you pointed it out.

I'm guessing that 2008 was a date that was somehow left on the template for the graph for some reason. It must have some significance. I can't imagine it simply being an oversight.

Maybe they simply continued to track various personalities from the earlier campaign, running the same program to create the graph since 2008.

edit on 15-5-2012 by ipsedixit because: (no reason given)

I asked dozens of people in person and all of them claim they have never been polled for politicians before.

What does that tell you about the accuracy of these polls?
Something tells me the poll reveals more about what the entity polling wants to say rather than what people here on the ground level actually think.

Easy science experiment. Just ask people you meet/know in RL. Just how accurate are these polls?

I'm guessing none of the people you asked were 65+ yrs old.

RP won no Delegates in OK

Originally posted by AntiNWO
So you admit to being a socialist, or is it Communist? Good for you, and good luck with that.

And sorry buddy, but I know about politics all too well. I am too young to remember McCarthyism and old enough to have lived through the Cold War. I had a friend who defected from the Soviet Union, I had friends from other Communist countries also, and I learned more from them over the years than you can imagine, so don't pretend to know what I know.

Communism and Socialism by their very nature create an elitist minority that holds down the majority financially, socially, and intellectually. It's rife with abuses that would make Wall Street envious. Capitalism, even with all it's flaws, is still the best system we have. It encourages competition and innovation which is directly responsible for all the fancy gadgets that you depend on every day. There is no incentive to produce, let alone innovate in Socialism or Communism. If you knew anything about politics you'd know that. Why should you produce when everything you need will be provided by the government no matter what? Why should you innovate when any reward you reap will be taken by the government? The reality is that without the Capitalist system our technology would be stuck in the 1920's.

The bottom line is this: If you want Socialism, sit back, relax, and do nothing. Thanks to Obama we're halfway there and he and Romney are both working to achieve the same end.

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The simple facts speak of american-jewish global corporatism. Anywhere in the world you go you will find american and jewish companies taking advantage of locals, as they did in america before they got too big.

Now americans don't have jobs because corporations and the wealthy are too powerful financially speaking to be controlled by any government. They are ultra-nationals! TEPCO, BP, Microsoft, Cisco, Coca Cola, etc basically having monopolies everywhere.

You speak to me of elitism in the ex-soviet union which is typical of people who confuse state capitalism with socialism and communism. Fact of the matter is america has state capitalism as well because of the Federal Reserve and the Bilderberger group. All of these evil clowns are super wealthy and of course tied to many big companies.

Capitalism enables people to accumulate wealth due to its every nature. The word itself is based on capital and capital makes the world go round for them, not for you or me. Sure communism and socialism were bastardized but in theory it does not involve exploitation of anyone like capitalism does. The people are the government. A government by the people and for the people. If the government sucks you get rid of it!

And who needs constant innovation? Tell that to the people with advanced degrees stuck competing with mexicans for a job at McDonalds or Burger king because of 30 years of offshoring. When companies get too big THEY DO OFFSHORE! It is the only way to expand business and make the shareholders happy. Only tariffs can bring them back, but you never bite the hand that feeds you.

The people raking in the millions/billions from wall street insider information love the bilderberger group. THAT is why ows was there and why the mainstream media called them a bunch of stupid names. The establisment does not hate Ron Paul and the delluded tea party folks as much as they hate true socialists. This is fact!

"But campaign manager Jesse Benton clearly stated that the hopes of Paul winning the Republican presidential nomination are officially over.

"We recognize that Gov. [Mitt] Romney has what is very likely to be an insurmountable delegate lead," Benton told reporters on a conference call Tuesday. "And we acknowledge that we're very, very unlikely to be able to block that nomination." "


This is music to my ears. Now we can continue on and have this website return to its former glory.
news.yahoo.com...

Just before we return the website to its former glory, I can't help but observe that if Ron Paul were Romney's choice as vice-presidential running mate, Romney might beat Obama in the election. Ron Paul's number of delegates might not be the most important thing he has going for him politically. That thing might instead be the number of Democrats who support him.

Ron Paul has scored very well in the head to head polls versus Obama, but has only 15% popular support among Republicans. That can only mean one thing. Ron Paul is digging deeply into normally Democratic voters for his popular support in the nation at large. Head to head with Obama, Ron Paul's polling numbers are very comparable with Romney's and each of them only trail Obama by a small percentage.

Romney is getting his support mainly from Republicans. Ron Paul is getting his from somewhere . . . else.

When you put people who would vote for Romney together with people who would vote for Paul, that group, collectively must be substantially larger than the number of people who would vote for either one alone and slightly larger than people who would vote for Obama.

Congratulations President-elect Romney.

Memo to Ron Paul supporters

Be nice to Romney supporters, as Dr. Paul is suggesting. "The road is long, with many a winding turn."

reply to post by ipsedixit


I can only hope Romney choses Paul.

Paul has done well collecting votes from the independents and even some from the liberal party.

With him as VP, I dont see how Obama could be re-elected.

I have two main wishes, Make Obama a one term president, and ATS discuss much less about RP.

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by ipsedixit

 

I can only hope Romney choses Paul.

It will be a humdinger of an election campaign if he does.

Paul has done well collecting votes from the independents and even some from the liberal party.

With him as VP, I dont see how Obama could be re-elected.

That's it in a nutshell. Choosing a vice-presidential running mate is a lot like making a fast food choice. The main question is not always, "What is this food?" but "Can he deliver?" Of all the Republican candidates in this primary cycle, Ron Paul is the only one with a demonstrated ability to conjure voters out of air where Republicans are thin on the ground.

I have two main wishes, Make Obama a one term president, and ATS discuss much less about RP

This is the dilemma of Mitt Romney and of the 85% of the Republican Party who do not support Ron Paul. How to get rid of Obama and Ron Paul at the same time. I think they will have to wake up to the fact that killing two birds with one stone is a dice roll, but taking Paul onboard to insure the departure of Obama is beginning to look like a much better bet.

If this is what they decide to do, we will be talking about Ron Paul for a long time in these forums.

Originally posted by kellynap43

Paul has done well collecting votes from the independents and even some from the liberal party.

With him as VP, I dont see how Obama could be re-elected.

I would say Paul is attracting many liberal voters. Liberalism favors personal liberty, privacy, tolerance, and acceptance which is a large part of what Paul stands for. Conversely conservatism generally calls for strict law and order along with rigid social conformity, typically intolerant of any non-adherence. Paul's stance on personal autonomy puts-off many in his conservative party, even though his own lifestyle and regimen would be considered exmplary to many of them.

Take the best of both worlds and find their excellence, then cut out the wasteful crap with fiscal responsibility and you have Paul's basic platform, and the only one that has anything as such. He is very appealing to many Democrats for that.

I have two main wishes, Make Obama a one term president, and ATS discuss much less about RP.[

I see you have posted twice in two hours in this Ron Paul thread. Is that about roughly acceptable for the rest of us too, you think?

news.yahoo.com...

The next stop is Minnesota, where the campaign believes it can win a majority of support at this weekend's state convention. Benton mentioned Washington, Missouri, Louisiana and Iowa as other states where he believes Paul can end up with a majority of support.

The campaign says it will be able to count on "several hundred more" delegates bound to Romney at this summer's national convention—noting that those delegates are obliged only for the first round of voting.

Ron Paul has seriously rocked the Republicans.

"Lively" is not what they normally do. But he, and his gung ho supporters, might be just the thing to punch Obama's ticket and send him packing.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Ron Paul has seriously rocked the Republicans.

"Lively" is not what they normally do.

Republican non-conformist, would that be an oxymoron?

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I was reading some articles about this the past week. I must have read about 10-15 articles with different political strategist. Most of the articles state that Ron represents about 20-25 percent of the vote. Thats big a chunk of votes, and can make a difference in a presidential election. I should have book marked these. Anyhow, The summery of what all these articles stated is this. Romney has good support from the norm republican voters, but not enough to win a presidential election against obama. Ron brings with him flipping democrats, a portion of the independent party voters, young and new voters of the Democrats and Republics parties. These are the ones filling the stadiums by the thousands; which Mitt can not do. And last but not least Ron brings votes from the military. All of these articles stated that Mitt will have the delegates, but Ron is the guy that secure the election for the GOP. Not by giving support, but by being on the ticket. All these Articles point out that this is something that the GOP cannot overlook, especially the thousands of and thousands of young voters Mitt fails to attract.

I know for a fact that the majority of the military tends vote republican, but in the past year some have went over to the Ron Paul camp. I've been hearing this allot at the O-club. Ron is very popular among the troops.


These articles were all good reading just search Google.

Originally posted by Daemonicon
Breaking - Ron Paul to end active campaigning. - CNN

Texas Rep. Ron Paul said in a statement Monday that he will end active campaigning in the GOP presidential race, but will continue efforts to win delegates at state conventions.

So, it looks like it's official, which makes me sad. ATS, what are your opinions on this matter?

The main question I have, why continue to seek delegates, when you are pretty much removing yourself from the nomination. Would someone be able to clarify if I am misunderstanding this?


Thank You

you know what makes me sad? people like you who THINK are awake but are a deep coma! your source for info is cnn?! coming dude!

Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by ipsedixit

 

I can only hope Romney choses Paul.

Paul has done well collecting votes from the independents and even some from the liberal party.

With him as VP, I dont see how Obama could be re-elected.

I have two main wishes, Make Obama a one term president, and ATS discuss much less about RP.

edit on 15-5-2012 by kellynap43 because: (no reason given)

Even if he did why on earth would Paul take him up on it? Why be a powerless stooge to a unprincipled flip flopping puppet of the status quo?

He'd be tarnished forever for no benefit.

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I'm excited! I already see less Ron Paul threads and not hearing about him every five seconds makes me happy :-D

but in all seriousness I'm glad hes slowing leaving

reply to post by ipsedixit


Bit premature of you to assume that Romney is going anywhere at this point.

He's this election cycle's answer to John Kerry and Michael Dukakis.

Fun fact: All 3 have represented the state of Massachusetts in some capacity.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


On here, liberalism is nothing more than a buzz word that gets thrown around by the Fox News worshippers.

Still, I don't trust Ron Paul's stance on abortion and other issues. If we leave these issues solely up to each state, that means that certain people in those states will not have the right to marry, abort, etc. That is just completely unacceptable to me. That's why I advocate that the government set it so that ALL citizens have those rights no matter where in the U.S they live!

I understand that this is "big government" to some people but in my eyes, it's the only FAIR solution. The states that disagree are more than welcome to try their hand at secession.

Originally posted by kellynap43
With him as VP, I dont see how Obama could be re-elected.

Romney KNOWS for a fact that without RP he is toast. He is the dividing factor..
Although, it's too late. MAYBE if RP dropped out 3 months ago.

Hahaha, if you Paulbots don't support Romney after Ron Paul does, then you don't support Liberty.

It's gonna be great to pick up that big bad'Mitt'on racket and whack them idiotic sayings back at the Paulbots in a few short months.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Hahaha, if you Paulbots don't support Romney after Ron Paul does, then you don't support Liberty.

It's gonna be great to pick up that big bad'Mitt'on racket and whack them idiotic sayings back at the Paulbots in a few short months.

Wow! You found a way to use "liberty" and "Romney" in the same sentence. Innacurate but impressive.

reply to post by The Sword


I understand your point and have some of the same hesitations to not buy Paul's stance 100%. He is very good on liberty issues, most of them, and there are powers that are best left up to the States, however in those areas that concern equality there are things in the US Constitution where federal powers do come in to play and we would hope those protections remain. BUT, and it's a big but, the federal government too often oversteps its bounds and that is reason to limit them.

Throughout, Paul has been a longshot. If by miracle he pulls off a win I'm sure I could live with those areas I disagree with him. However, I believe Paul has awakened a spirit of liberty in many heretofore sleeping individuals and started a movement. He may end up being the most influential non-winning candidate ever to take a shot at POTUS. I hope personal autonomy becomes and remains the political wave for the future of the world.