Why Cops Fear-WARNING-As disturbing as Kelly Thomas video X 10

Originally posted by Hessdalen
i think all this drama here is really small minded...every heavy weapon producer, every politician who supports war, every cartell member is waaay worse than these cops....not sayn that its acceptable but the degree of "this is sooo bad" is a bit exaggerated

edit on 14-5-2012 by Hessdalen because: mindcontrol

In a way, I sort of agree with you.

The American Citizen is just now getting a taste of their own medicine. It's all fun and games when we go blow other countries to oblivion and torture the sh*&t out of innocent people abroad. But now all of a sudden we just don't like this idea anymore, huh?

It's always different when the shoe is on the other foot.

Originally posted by MrWendal
That being said, I think it is important to stress that it is NOT all cops.

This is the problem.

It might not be "all" cops, but how is anyone supposed to know which ones are good and which are bad? I am able to comprehend that there are good an bad in all groups, but the fact of the matter is that cops are found to be corrupt, abusive, violent, and then nothing is done to bring them to justice.

When you see repeated instances of violent cops being protected by their superiors, how is that supposed to promote trust?

There are good cops, but the departments and the complete inaction of those in senior positions to hold bad cops to account for their actions means that I will never trust any of them.

Just look at Tony Bologne in NY. He was caught on film macing innocent girls in the street. Even his colleagues couldn't believe what he'd done.
Was he immediately pulled from duty?
Was he investigated?
Did any of those colleagues stand up and make statements?

No.

He was immediately exonerated by his superiors and they tried to force Google to remove all evidence of the video from YouTube.

It wasn't until Anonymous started digging up information on the officers guilty of attacks on the protesters that day that they finally "punished" Bologne and took some holiday days. Then they moved him.

With friends like that, who needs enemies?

the last part where the cops surround and arrest everyone in the park was crazy.

Originally posted by HandyDandy

Originally posted by jhn7537
I wonder if there is a person in this world who that video tape doesnt completely piss off...

Cops.

wrong, good cops hate bad cops, because it makes their job harder. I get that this video is a complilation of *some* instances of police brutality. Keep in mind the number of cops out there...something like 200,000, lets say you have 150,000 working every day. If all cops are BAD and all cops want to do is hurt people than all cops would hurt people everyday. That would mean something like 5.5 million+ police brutalities a year - if each cop hurt just ONE person each day - just for the US.

Think about that when you say ALL cops are evil jerks who just want to hurt people.

Regarding the complaints - they do have to get the persons name and information who is complaining and they usually do it in person. Why - because filing a false police report is a CRIME. Yes, that includes filing one against an officer.

Also, this video doesn't mention if these cops were disciplined, because yes - some of them should be. Especially the New York cop who took out the bicyclist.

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
For the casual observer, note how they always need to know your name. This is in order to charge you with some offence, imagined or otherwise. They are able to engage you "in contract" as soon as they are in possessi0on of your name. Ah yes... Policy Officers, Revenue Officers.

edit on 14/5/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: Clarification

You are so correct that's the only reason. It would also explain why they would arrest someone for not wanting to"contract" with them, which is a form of intimidation. Someone asked in an earlier post, "who are they the mafia?". Well if they'll arrest someone for not wanting to contract with them (i.e give their name) I guess they are. After all didn't the mafia force businesses to contract with them for "protection"? The same principle apply here.

Originally posted by HandyDandy

Originally posted by Saucerwench
HOW DO WE TAKE DIGNITY BACK

HOW DO WE TAKE LIBERTY BACK

HOW DO WE TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK

When no other avenue presents itself. By force.

yes,by force.when one of these cowards is beating a citizen,other citizens need to step in and beat the living # out of them instead of standing around watching and saying "stop,please stop",wich only makes these pigs even more aggresive.after a few hundred incidents of them get their asses whipped by us citizens then maybe they will start to serve,we dont need their protection anyway,just serve servant and stfu.and dont give me that"they are not all bad bs"the only ones getting their ass whipped would be the bad ones and it would send the message to the bad apples(and even the good ones)to stay in line or else.i only wish people had the balls to do this,then the "authorities" would have no choice but to show us a little f8cking respect.

Originally posted by justbecause1

Originally posted by HandyDandy

Originally posted by jhn7537
I wonder if there is a person in this world who that video tape doesnt completely piss off...

Cops.

wrong, good cops hate bad cops, because it makes their job harder. I get that this video is a complilation of *some* instances of police brutality. Keep in mind the number of cops out there...something like 200,000, lets say you have 150,000 working every day. If all cops are BAD and all cops want to do is hurt people than all cops would hurt people everyday. That would mean something like 5.5 million+ police brutalities a year - if each cop hurt just ONE person each day - just for the US.

Think about that when you say ALL cops are evil jerks who just want to hurt people.

Regarding the complaints - they do have to get the persons name and information who is complaining and they usually do it in person. Why - because filing a false police report is a CRIME. Yes, that includes filing one against an officer.

Also, this video doesn't mention if these cops were disciplined, because yes - some of them should be. Especially the New York cop who took out the bicyclist.

edit on 14-5-2012 by justbecause1 because: (no reason given)

I think most people would agree if there's a bad apple amongst the group the honorable thing to do is weed them out. Cops are failing to do that which is the reason why "good" cops often get killed on the job and not the rotten ones. At what point will cops stop acting like the three monkeys (don't hear, see, or speak) against a fellow officer even if they're a menace?

Originally posted by milominderbinder


In a way, I sort of agree with you.

The American Citizen is just now getting a taste of their own medicine. It's all fun and games when we go blow other countries to oblivion and torture the sh*&t out of innocent people abroad. But now all of a sudden we just don't like this idea anymore, huh?

It's always different when the shoe is on the other foot.

So if a cop beat your ass on the street for no apparent reason you'd be getting "a taste of your own medicine?"

I'm not sure why you feel you're above "The American Citizen" and think they're responsible for their government's actions. As far as I'm concerned, or anyone else for that matter, you're just as guilty as everyone else. And don't think otherwise... It's always different when the shoe is on the other foot.

This is a difficult subject for me, but I wanted to add an additional warning regarding the subject of the video. The code of silence does not just apply to their brothers in blue, it extends in some areas to relatives of their brothers in blue also.

On the last day of my daughters freshman year in HS at age 15 an upperclassman used threats to harm ME to force her into sex against her will, She was so traumatized by it she couldn't bear to think about it let alone talk to anyone about it, she suppressed it. Over the next 2 years I felt like I was watching her die, first she got physically ill with frequent stomach disorders or she'd just go pale and pass out, she even had symptoms resembling mini-strokes, I took her to the doctor so many times and he had every test run under the sun on her but couldn't find anything, and then she started having panic attacks and I took her to a psychiatrist. He knew right away by her symptoms that something traumatic had happened to her but she couldn't tell us what it was, then she developed agoraphobia, she couldn't leave the house without either her father or myself with her, she had to finish HS online. Then, just before Christmas her senior year at 17 something cracked and she broke down sobbing and told me what happened. After I got her...and myself calmed down we called the police. .

The officers that came to take her report were very compassionate, which gave her some strength and she asked if they could still get DNA off the clothes she had been wearing that day if they had not been washed, (she had hidden them right after it happened and she got home so she wouldn't have to wear them again) and they told her they could. The next night she had to go to the police station and give her report to a detective. I wish I had known then what I know now. He took her into a room alone with him, he did not allow either of us to go in with her, there wasn't a female officer there to ensure she felt safe, he did not even mention the possibility of bringing an advocate in (and I didn't know about them yet). He interrogated her for over an hour, he did not video or audio record the interrogation and when it was over she was more traumatized than when she went in we could see she her start to break down as she walked out of the room, and we got her out of there right away. Once we got her home and she had calmed down some she described what happened. He made her tell him in great detail about what happened, and then accused her of spitefully fabricating the story out of dislike for the guy in an attempt to ruin the guy's life. I know my daughter well enough to know she was telling me the truth. She was traumatized by the direction the interrogation took she said it felt like he was just getting into the porn and she also outraged that he didn't believe her. She knew they couldn't change what happened to her but she trusted that the police where there to protect the innocent, so although it took a monumental effort on her part to hold it together while he questioned her, she thought if she could be strong enough to get though it she could at least make sure no other girl had to go through what she went through.

He had told me prior to interrogating her that he knew just where the guy lived and since he would be on winter break from college he would question him after he had talked to her. That stuck an odd chord with me, he seemed a bit too familiar with the guy. 2 days later he called me at home and said.."I talked to him, he's just a big dufus he said it was consensual and I believe him." He refused to investigate her case any further, the DNA evidence, her being under the age of consent and him over at the time, the 2 years of text book symptoms of rape trauma she went trough none of it mattered. That all just seemed too weird, to cold red flags and all that, something didn't seem right. I did some checking and discovered the guy that raped her was the nephew of one of the police officers the detective worked with and he was going to college to be a police officer himself. I also found out that my daughter wasn't the first or only girl he had assaulted and they knew it because one of them occurred during school and was reported.

I can't tell you how agonizing it was to realize what the detective had done, to be sure I wasn't just emotionally assuming that what he had done was absolutely wrong, I obsessively looked up everything I could on how this should have been handled, I even read through the police training manuals what the procedures were for handling such a case, everything I found just further confirmed it. It was horrible I knew that not reporting it would eventually result in a repeat sex offender becoming a police officer, but if he so cold heartedly could sacrifice my daughter to ensure this guys future on the force, it was terrifying to think what would they do in retaliation if I did report it, I couldn't just up and move that easily.

There has to be some part of our government who has power of the police department.
Who?
This sort of thing has been going on way too long.
Why have none of our legistlators addressed this problem.

I got an email a while ago from my state senator....woopee, they passed the budget.
I wrote back to him and asked why Florida is still the illicit pain pill trading capital of the country.
No answer.

Wow. I just watched certain portions, and it reinforces my beliefs about some cops. Some of those situations and clips I have seen and heard of before, and others were new to me. The best way I can describe what is happening in these situations is as follows: there are many police officers who think that just because they have a badge they are allowed to do anything they want to people, including arresting them for no reason, and harassing them for no reason.

When people know that the police are crossing their legal boundaries, and say as much, this pisses the cops off because they want everyone to submit to everything they say or do, despite if it is within their legal right to do so. It is when these cops get pissed off that they start using "authorized force" as they would say, even though they shouldn't have been harassing the person to begin with.

Some officers are lazy and will revert to tazing for illegitimate reasons...Others are just angry people and take out their frustrations physically on suspects. People are no longer innocent until proven guilty. These cops want to be judge, jury, and executioner, and that is why this stuff happens. It is ridiculous. They need to all be prosecuted, and maybe the others will learn that enforcing the law doesn't give them a right to disobey it themselves.

reply to post by Chai_An
This is another generalization, some do report their other officers for crimes. I can't say how often. I know if I had a family and I was in a position of losing my job for something some bone head did, I would protect my job and family - not them. I think things are changing, for the better. It's not really a goodo'le boys club like it used to be where they would protect each other.

But keep in mind these officers need to be commiting a crime, and an actual crime - not a perceived crime. Problem is a lot of people think they know the laws, but they don't. If you're on the street and you see police trying to arrest someone with force, it's not lawful to intervene. That will get you arrested. When arresting someone it needs to be done quickly and efficiently. Sometimes you need force to limit further harm to the person or officers. Yes, some take this a little too far.

I have never had a confruntation with the police. The only negative experience I have had with police is that I find them sometimes lazy and not willing to take reports. But just because I think it's important doesn't mean its their job to fix it.

Originally posted by theconspirator
the last part where the cops surround and arrest everyone in the park was crazy.

'Twas but the unconscientious and all too willing legions of the New World Order desensitising the peasants of the star spangled serfdom to a much graver and exponentially imminent brutality.

reply to post by justbecause1


Don't give that "good cop" crap. Any "good cop" who allows his fellow officer to violate citizens rights is a "bad cop" in my book. Just like if I harbor a fugitive...I am guilty of the same crime.

So should PIGS be held to the same laws!!!!!!

While I totally agree that we now live in a Police State and that LEOs, as a whole, act with impunity and a callous disregard for the citizenry they are supposed to serve - I caution against fanning the flames of hatred against them. It will do no good.

I've come to understand that videos like this as well as the recounting of endless tales of Police brutality outrages are the equivalent to 1984's Two Minutes of Hate. What purpose does it serve? More importantly, WHO does it serve?

We all gather together and spew contempt for them and the system that allows this behavior and then we feel a bit of release. We go about our lives until the next outrage and then we gather again for another Two Minutes of Hate...but we do nothing to stop it and, worse, our hate prevents us from understanding that we allow this to happen. Our contempt for them only fuels their disdain and disregard for us. It is more than just a waste of time, it truly is an energy focal point to distract from real action or pursuit of real change in our expectations of them and our laws.

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If you're on the street and you see police trying to arrest someone with force, it's not lawful to intervene. That will get you arrested. When arresting someone it needs to be done quickly and efficiently. Sometimes you need force to limit further harm to the person or officers. Yes, some take this a little too far.

Define "intervene".

If I'm walking down the street to the store or something and I see cops beating a guy up while he yells "HELP! THEY"RE KILLING ME!" I'm gonna walk over and see what's up. This could be seen as "intervention" and I could be subsequently arrested, or worse, regardless of whether the cops were justified in their beating or not. It's a lose-lose situation for me or anyone involved in that kind.

Sounds like you're ignoring the fact that some officers are capable of committing wrongdoings themselves and are in a perfect position to do so under the guise of " To Protect and Serve". And yes, some do take this a little too far. Say that to someone's family after a loved one has been murdered by a goon of society's mafia over a simple misunderstanding. It's just not gonna work. Your arguments are just empty justifications.

edit on 14-5-2012 by JohnnyNuisance because: (no reason given)