Originally posted by 4hero
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by kdog1982
It;s not worth watching as you understand how elevators work in an emergency situation... don't worry too much about it.
Let people decide for themselves, anyone would think you were deliberately trying to put people off watching it.
People do watch it, leave no stone unturned...
Originally posted by taccj9903
Can you possibly put together a synopsis of the elevator theory for those of us who can't watch the video right now?
The following material is extracted from NK-44's Investigation into the collapse of WTC 1. I've been assisting him in the english language translation from its original german. About 2 months ago, when his paper was in its final stages and ready for online publication, he abruptly ceased communication. I'm posting the most recent revisions because I think it's important that 9/11 researchers have access to NK-44's work.
Bill spent the next three months in St. Vincent's Hospital where he clinically died twice but was resuscitated. He saw "the light," the tunnel, angels, and his sister who died seventeen years ago. He was unconscious the first twenty days he spent in the hospital and was told he would probably not walk again. Bill sustained fuel burns on the dorsal sides of both hands and suffered three skull fractures, a crushed knee, a broken jaw, burned corneas, and a lacerated abdomen that required 200 stitches to close. His injuries were sustained from steel beams that were blowing apart. Later, Bill was told that he was brought out of the North Tower unconscious and less than five minutes before it collapsed." Around the time that the North Tower (WTC 1) was hit by American Airline Flight 11, explosions occurred in the basement. According to official accounts, jet-fuel coming down elevator-shafts was the cause of these explosions. From the 9/11-Commission Report: "A jet fuel fireball erupted upon impact and shot down at least one bank of elevators. The fireball exploded onto numerous floors, including the 77th and 22nd; the West Street lobby level; and the B4 level, four stories below ground." (Ch.9, p.285) From National Institue of Standard and Technology (NIST): "The aircraft impacting on the towers caused major damage to the buildings. In addition, the jet fuel distribution through the buildings and down the elevator shafts generated large fires. The elevator shafts inside WTC 1 contained a fast moving jet fuel droplet cloud fire which damaged shaft walls, elevator doors, and floors near the elevator shafts due to the over pressures that were generated (NIST NCSTAR 1-2 and NIST NCSTAR 1-5)." (NIST NCSTAR 1-8, p.42) Note: this statement is not related to the situation in the basement, since NIST NCSTAR 1-2 and 1-5 do not cover the fires and damage in the basement. But NIST then continues with a special reference to the lower floors: "In addition, in first-person interviews PAPD personnel reported a huge fireball that came from the elevator shafts and filled the visible volume of the Concourse level between WTC 1 and the entrance to the Mariott hotel." A page further, it is stated: "The jet fuel had gone down the elevator shaft and had blown out the elevator doors and that is why the lobby windows were blown out and why interviewees had seen seriously burned people in the lobby. (Inside WTC 1)" (NIST NCSTAR 1-8, p.43) wtc.nist.gov... But this version of events is rejected even by most supporters of the jet-fuel explanation. For two reasons. First, the initial fireballs generated no great overpressures: "Although dramatic, these fireballs did not explode or generate a shock wave. If an explosion or detonation had occurred, the expansion of the burning gasses would have taken place in microseconds, not the 2 seconds observed. Therefore, although there were some overpressures, it is unlikely that the fireballs, being external to the buildings, would have resulted in significant structural damage. It is not known whether the windows that were broken shortly after impact were broken by these external overpressures, overpressures internal to the building, the heat of the fire, or flying debris." (FEMA WTC report, chapter 2) That these same fireballs, which may or may not have destroyed windows in the impact area, also destroyed several walls and caused cave-ins 400 meters below, is not substantiated. Secondly, these fireballs during their long descent would have excluded (almost) every floor from their destructive force, while releasing it exclusively at the basement levels. For this reason, most supporters of the jet fuel theory do not claim that the basement damage was a result of the initial fireball, but of jet-fuel, which spilled down to the basement where it ignited and exploded. So, it is safe to say, we have two official versions. The "original" or "official" official version, and an "alternative" official version. In both versions, elevator shafts serve as a jet-fuel spillway from the impact zone to the basement.
Originally posted by samkent
and i dont think wil ever be truly understood
That's because too many people don't understand how the real world works. They take the view that there's a conspiracy in every event.
As to the elevators:
The higher elevators were damaged in the impacts.
The lower ones either didn't have power or were damaged from one of the fireballs of fuel that were reported.
Didn't they teach you not to use the elevator during fires and other power sensitive situations?
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by SyphonX
Let people watch it.... thats fine but the whole premise is flawed...
edit on 14-5-2012 by Havick007 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 4hero
Can you elaborate why you say the whole premise is flawed? I would love to know your reasons for this statement.
There are numerous videos and eye witness testimonies that all report of explosions BEFORE the planes hit, primarily in the basement. Many people reported this, many people reported a bomb going off before any plane hit.
This video is very interesting, all people who are researching 9/11 should watch it, and the premise is definitely NOT flawed.
You commented that people should not watch it and the premise is flawed, you blatantly do not want anyone to watch it, what is your motive for not wanting people to watch it?
It seems you have something invested in 9/11, can you enlighten us?
ARe you saying they didn't work at all that day? Even before the attacks? I don't think that is correct and if you are saying they stopped working after the attacks well then that is no conspiracy theory..
Some of the footage is totally new to me. Check it out it's pretty interesting.
Any large building with elevators will be the same, in the event of fire or explosion a safety feature of the elevators is an auto-shutdown. No matter how big the building
No one expected the building to collapse
I am not 100% decided on the exact cause of 9/11 but I will say that in any case of a fire or explosion the elevators are shut down to stop people being trapped or overloading the elevator load limits in cases of panic etc
9/11 was not about killing innocent people and trapping them in the towers...
I am surprised this thread has gotten so many flags - no offence to the OP as you might not have your facts right, which happens to all of us. I am surprised at the amount of flags and stars from other members though!?! This site seems to get more ignorant as time goes on... I though we were supposed to deny ignorance...
Star for you my friend. I too was surprised by the amount of flags for something that is utterly false and demonstratably so. This is what the "Truth" Movement depends on: gullible and lazy people that read whatever they post, and do not bother to do a single ounce of actual research or even double checking the "information" they recieved from the them. A five minute break to check up on the facts would have shown how incorrect the video is. Hell, that is how I changed from a Truther to a "debunker", by actually re-reading the truther arguments and then doing some investigative work outside of conspiracy websites, and then learning just how much I've been lied to by the "Truth" movement. How can one claim to be for the truth, and then rely on erroneous assumptions, false facts, and outright LIES to support their claims?
Originally posted by Kang69
reply to post by maxella1
Here's my question op. How did the hijacked planes evade Norad for an hour? Why were there multiple witness reports of hearing bombs going off? Why wasn't wtc7 mentioned in the 9/11 commission report? How did Wtc 7 fall down due to small fires when Wtc 5 never fell and it was a burning inferno? Why did silverstein say pull it and then deny it now? Why wasn't there any evidence of planes at shanksville or the Pentagon? Why did the FBI confiscate footage of the Pentagon attack from a hotel?
This is a small fraction or events that occurred on 9/11.
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by GenRadek
It is also threads and msg boards that make it harder for people to question what haoppened that day... sadly.
As I said, I do not blame the OP, they may have just been misinformed or jumped to conclusions ( I have done that in that past) as I am sure many of us have but it is threads like this that make this whole topic comical when trying to oppose the MSN stories...
It's not the OP I am pinting a finger at, it's all the people that gave a flag and star... although I did flag it Why you ask? To help point out my fustration in these types of topics and threads....
If that makes sense