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posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by AManYouALL

You too are curious.

What if you could choose more than one word. What would you be here to learn?


everything?

As much as possible... about myself and the universe i find myself inhabiting. A tinkerer by nature: a hands on kinda guy.

Perhaps at some point share what it is i think i understand....




posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by AManYouALL


There is nothing greater.



define "greater"



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO

Originally posted by AManYouALL


There is nothing greater.



define "greater"


nothing.

There is myself, which I know but cannot define, and then there is greater than myself which is nothing.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
everything?

As much as possible... about myself and the universe i find myself inhabiting. A tinkerer by nature: a hands on kinda guy.

Perhaps at some point share what it is i think i understand....


Haha!

You are like me. I too want to know everything.

That is why I do not teach. Takes too much of my attention from learning.

The more you learn the more there is to learn. It's as if the mind is an insatiable beast forever providing food for itself.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by AManYouALL

Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO

Originally posted by AManYouALL


There is nothing greater.



define "greater"


nothing.

There is myself, which I know but cannot define, and then there is greater than myself which is nothing.


Well, that doesn't really answer the question, so i'll do it.

"Greater" means "larger than", having "more" of a "thing" than another.

If we speak purely in physical terms, do you acknowledge that there are greater objects in the universe than yourself? Objects with more mass for example, planets have more mass than you, right? As does an Elephant.

But you were not speaking in physical terms were you: hence the question.

So in what sense is "nothing" greater than you?



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ovadose
A cog is an individual piece that is useless on its own, but when matched with other individual pieces can create a watch.

My existence is useless without you guys, our existence is useless without (for lack of a better word) God.


Don't tell the cog that. It may hurt his feelings that he is nothing on his own. Most can't even see the watch. Can you blame them? They have a job to do you know!



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by AManYouALL

Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
everything?

As much as possible... about myself and the universe i find myself inhabiting. A tinkerer by nature: a hands on kinda guy.

Perhaps at some point share what it is i think i understand....


Haha!

You are like me. I too want to know everything.

That is why I do not teach. Takes too much of my attention from learning.

The more you learn the more there is to learn. It's as if the mind is an insatiable beast forever providing food for itself.


"The more you learn the more there is to learn" /agree.
I would have said it this way: The more i learn the more i realize how much i do not know/understand.

Do you know where your mind resides?



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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I am Here for what appears to be the same reason(s) as you. It is a fascinating site in many regards. Its fun to learn and grow guided by our curiosities.


Originally posted by AManYouALL
React, to actively observe the thought and consequent action (if any) or to simply dismiss them as they flood on by.


In your perspective, who is the one observing? What is the actual connection between the observer and the thoughts?

You say that you do not control them, or their arising. So, if neither the observer, or what it observes, are the source for thoughts then what else is in such direct connection with our being? And why only through a physical manifestation (brain -> thoughts) instead of through both (observer -> thoughts existing simultaneously with brain -> thoughts)

I suppose one could correlate it with God or Consciousness, though it is more likely the results of neurons firing. Some would say the former is simply part of the latter, and others would say the inverse, but that skirts the point a bit. If thoughts are a result of the brain alone, then who or what would you say is in control of them if not you?



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
Well, that doesn't really answer the question, so i'll do it.

"Greater" means "larger than", having "more" of a "thing" than another.

If we speak purely in physical terms, do you acknowledge that there are greater objects in the universe than yourself? Objects with more mass for example, planets have more mass than you, right? As does an Elephant.

But you were not speaking in physical terms were you: hence the question.

So in what sense is "nothing" greater than you?


You are speaking in terms of the physical body which I inhabit.

I am not my body anymore than you are your car when you are driving down the road. Presuming you have a car of course. What I am has no quantifiable mass.

How much does a thought weigh?

How much space does the vision of a galaxy occupy within you?

What is the amount of time between one thought and another?

Does it take a life time to recall a childhood memory?

I thought you recognized me as a mind you liked?

I don't think you recognize me at all.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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I will take my leave here.

Thank you for the experience.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
Do you know where your mind resides?


I already said I was a point.




posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ovadose
I will take my leave here.

Thank you for the experience.


It has been delightful!

See you around



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by sinohptik
I am Here for what appears to be the same reason(s) as you. It is a fascinating site in many regards. Its fun to learn and grow guided by our curiosities.


Indeed!


Originally posted by sinohptik
In your perspective, who is the one observing? What is the actual connection between the observer and the thoughts?

You say that you do not control them, or their arising. So, if neither the observer, or what it observes, are the source for thoughts then what else is in such direct connection with our being? And why only through a physical manifestation (brain -> thoughts) instead of through both (observer -> thoughts existing simultaneously with brain -> thoughts)

I suppose one could correlate it with God or Consciousness, though it is more likely the results of neurons firing. Some would say the former is simply part of the latter, and others would say the inverse, but that skirts the point a bit. If thoughts are a result of the brain alone, then who or what would you say is in control of them if not you?


I could tell you any story you like, but it would still be just another story.

I do not make a good story teller. I am a better listener.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by AManYouALL

Originally posted by Jameela
1) misconceptions about those of my/or similar faith


Wonderful! I am probably full of misconceptions.

What is faith?


Originally posted by Jameela
2) if we change


Change to what?


In Arabic you don’t say you have faith in God, you never say Indi iman (I have faith) you say Amantu b'illahi which means you are doing faith, when you have something it is negative because you can either have or not have, but when you say Amantu b'illahi you are saying you are ‘doing’ faith. Faith in Islam is a transitive verb. It sounds awkward in English but faith is something you do. When you are doing it you are in a transaction with Allah (azwj). Belief (aqeedah) is different than faith (Iman) faith is a connection with God. Belief doesn’t change; iman can deepen in time as your relationship with God changes, actions are a way to deepen your relationship with Allah (azwj). A Muslim can be in Mecca and be the perfect kafir, or one can be in timbuktu and be the perfect Momin. Faith does not depend on where you are but who you are (in your heart). Faith is revolutionary; it can change and transform a person beyond belief.


Change to be good to one another, accepting one another, and not hatred of ones fellow man



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by AManYouALL

Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
Well, that doesn't really answer the question, so i'll do it.

"Greater" means "larger than", having "more" of a "thing" than another.

If we speak purely in physical terms, do you acknowledge that there are greater objects in the universe than yourself? Objects with more mass for example, planets have more mass than you, right? As does an Elephant.

But you were not speaking in physical terms were you: hence the question.

So in what sense is "nothing" greater than you?


You are speaking in terms of the physical body which I inhabit.

I am not my body anymore than you are your car when you are driving down the road. Presuming you have a car of course. What I am has no quantifiable mass.

How much does a thought weigh?

How much space does the vision of a galaxy occupy within you?

What is the amount of time between one thought and another?

Does it take a life time to recall a childhood memory?

I thought you recognized me as a mind you liked?

I don't think you recognize me at all.


i don't need to recognize you to like you.


So you are a mind that inhabits a body (thus making a clear distinction) and if there is nothing greater than you, you mean that there is no mind greater than your own?
In what way? In the ability to store data? process data? create artistic works? communicate?

I assume you are not claiming to be greater at all activities than all other humans.

I am guessing that what you mean is that there is no greater mind than the human mind?

But this means you must have some idea what your mind *actually* is... can you share this with me? I'm still a little foggy on how minds arise and what they are made of....



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Jameela
In Arabic you don’t say you have faith in God, you never say Indi iman (I have faith) you say Amantu b'illahi which means you are doing faith, when you have something it is negative because you can either have or not have, but when you say Amantu b'illahi you are saying you are ‘doing’ faith. Faith in Islam is a transitive verb. It sounds awkward in English but faith is something you do. When you are doing it you are in a transaction with Allah (azwj). Belief (aqeedah) is different than faith (Iman) faith is a connection with God. Belief doesn’t change; iman can deepen in time as your relationship with God changes, actions are a way to deepen your relationship with Allah (azwj). A Muslim can be in Mecca and be the perfect kafir, or one can be in timbuktu and be the perfect Momin. Faith does not depend on where you are but who you are (in your heart). Faith is revolutionary; it can change and transform a person beyond belief.




Originally posted by JameelaChange to be good to one another, accepting one another, and not hatred of ones fellow man


111 you are doing it too. Or this is faith in action?



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Jameela


In Arabic you don’t say you have faith in God, you never say Indi iman (I have faith) you say Amantu b'illahi which means you are doing faith, when you have something it is negative because you can either have or not have, but when you say Amantu b'illahi you are saying you are ‘doing’ faith. Faith in Islam is a transitive verb. It sounds awkward in English but faith is something you do. When you are doing it you are in a transaction with Allah (azwj). Belief (aqeedah) is different than faith (Iman) faith is a connection with God. Belief doesn’t change; iman can deepen in time as your relationship with God changes, actions are a way to deepen your relationship with Allah (azwj). A Muslim can be in Mecca and be the perfect kafir, or one can be in timbuktu and be the perfect Momin. Faith does not depend on where you are but who you are (in your heart). Faith is revolutionary; it can change and transform a person beyond belief.



i have not heard this before: faith defined through action rather than possession.

i think i like it.

Can you further illuminate the difference between faith and belief?



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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Using similar lines of thought to those you said earlier in the thread, I am not interested in "a" story, just yours.

You tell part of your story with the words you choose, so in that way, thank you for the effort. Made me reminisce about the earlier days of the internet, trying to see if the progressively more advanced ch41b07s could tell me anything about their experience.

All the best
edit on 13-5-2012 by sinohptik because: 1s and 7s



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
i don't need to recognize you to like you.


So you are a mind that inhabits a body (thus making a clear distinction) and if there is nothing greater than you, you mean that there is no mind greater than your own?


Of course there isn't a mind greater than my own. It is the only one I have.


Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
In what way? In the ability to store data? process data? create artistic works? communicate?


Simply because it is the only one I have. I did not say any other mind was lesser than mine, just that there are none greater. No other mind can sustain my body. No other mind wakes me in the morning. No other mind is my own.


Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
I assume you are not claiming to be greater at all activities than all other humans.


Of course not. We haven't even clearly defined what it is to be human in this thread yet.


Originally posted by FRATERPERDURABO
But this means you must have some idea what your mind *actually* is... can you share this with me? I'm still a little foggy on how minds arise and what they are made of....


I and my mind are one and the same. I would not be who I am without it.

I can't tell you how minds arise for as far as I know, mine has always been here.


This is why I don't teach. No one understands me, thus I try to learn of them thoroughly before explaining myself. This way I can tell the story they are comfortable with in their minds.

Oh, and I noticed your post on the previous page but have not gotten to it yet. I wasn't ignoring it, it just got lost in the mix.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by AManYouALL


How much does a thought weigh?


well nothing at all, when using gravity as a metric. Yet if a thought had mass, then different thoughts might be said to be 'heavier' than others. more substantial: less substantial.

And what is a 'great' thought when compared to another, anyway? What do you use as a ruler, i wonder, with which to measure such things?






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