More than 60 nuclear experts at work building Iranian nuclear bomb

According to Debkafile the MEK/PMOI, the main Iranian opposition, obtained documents relating to Iran's nuclear ambitions. Supposedly, according to the source, there are some 60 experts working throughout 11 different Iranian agencies under the control of the Defense Ministry.

This is the first time an extensive, highly secret, central organizational structure dedicated to building a nuclear weapon has been revealed in detail. It also contradicts the US and the five world powers and the IAEA, that Iran’s nuclear program is not run by a single organization - on the basis of which they entered into negotiation with Tehran.

"The Mujahedin-e Khalq, which Tehran accuses of collaborating with US and Israeli intelligence to assassinate its nuclear scientists, clearly timed the publication of its findings for 11 days before the Six Powers were due to hold a second round of nuclear talks with Iran in Baghdad on May 23, debkafile’s intelligence and Iranian sources report."

Debka

The names and addresses of 60 Iranian experts employed by 11 different Iranian agencies under the control of the Iranian Defense Ministry were revealed Saturday, May 12, by the main Iranian opposition Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK/PMOI). This is the first time an extensive, highly secret, central organizational structure dedicated to building a nuclear weapon has been revealed in detail – specifically the Ministry of Defense under the command of the Revolutionay Guard Corps, which also runs the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant.

Yeah, no, I'm going to believe the words of Israel's and America's intelligence agencies and their findings that Iran has no nuke, isn't building a nuke, and doesn't plan on building a nuke anytime soon.

U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb | NY Times

February 24, 2012 WASHINGTON — Even as the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog said in a new report Friday that Iran had accelerated its uranium enrichment program, American intelligence analysts continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb. Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies.

'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' | HAARETZ

18.03.12 Israel’s intelligence services agree with American intelligence assessments that there is not enough proof to determine whether Iran is building a nuclear bomb, according to a report published Sunday in the New York Times.

IDF chief to Haaretz: I do not believe Iran will decide to develop nuclear weapons

25.04.12 Iran, Gantz says, "is going step by step to the place where it will be able to decide whether to manufacture a nuclear bomb. It hasn't yet decided whether to go the extra mile."

Israel ex-security chief says leadership 'misleading public' on Iran | BBC

The former head of Israel's domestic intelligence agency has accused the country's leadership of "misleading" the public on the merits of a possible military strike on Iran. Yuval Diskin said an attack might speed up any attempt by Iran to obtain a nuclear bomb.

One word.

RUMOUR.

2nd Line.
www.cuttingedge.org...

"Then the Russian general took a surprise turn: 'Now, as to whether or not Iran has tested something like that. Iran does have nuclear weapons,' Baluyevsky said. 'Of course, these are non-strategic nuclear weapons. I mean these are not ICBMs with a range of more than 5,500 kilometers and more."

Now this is shocking news, indeed! This Russian general has just confirmed -- in June, 2002 -- that Iran has nuclear warheads and theater missiles with which to deliver them!

I repeat, Iran ALREADY HAS NUKES.

THIS IS WHY AMERICA NEVER ATTACKS IRAN.

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Did you read the entire article?

The exhaustively detailed Mujahedin-e Khalq document presents a completely new picture of a well-advanced and centralized nuclear weapons program, quite different from the one broadcast by the US and its fellow nuclear negotiators - and even by some Israeli circles.

Refuting the belief Iran has not actually started building a nuclear warhead or bomb, the Iranian opposition group provides chapter and verse to demonstrate that Iran is way past the decision and flying ahead at top speed on its manufacture.

If this latest information is accurate it is damning to Iran's claims of peaceful intent and proves the existence of a weapons research program regardless of any previous commentary or speculation.

Where the document breaks startling new ground is in detailing the SPND’s 7 sub-sections, “each of which conducts research and tests in a specific field:”

1. Working on the main element for the bomb, i.e. enriched uranium and fissile material.

2. Shaping and molding the required material, including metal elements, to build a warhead.

3. Producing metals required for building a nuclear warhead.

4. Producing high-explosive material used to detonate a nuclear bomb.

5. Conducting research on advanced chemical material.

6. Blue prints and carrying out electronic calculations required for building a nuclear warhead.

7. Laser activities applicable in the nuclear field.

To each sub-division, the Mujahedin-e Khalq document has attached diagrams of its internal structure plus the full names and addresses of its heads, officers, researchers and the liaison offices among the departments.

Some are provided with their landline and cell phone numbers.

The information is said be updated to April 2012.

In response to these revelations, some official American sources commented that they could not be confirmed and were skeptical about the document’s credibility. Our intelligence sources note that all of this Iranian group’s previous disclosures in the past nine years have proved accurate.

While this new information is yet unsubstantiated, I believe it would be foolish to discount the report offhand.

If the details are as specific as the article suggests, the sources behind the contents of the document should be vetted in short order.

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It doesn't matter what the article is claiming, I'm going with the word of Israel's and US intel agencies. Do you really think they would have no idea Iran was working on a nuke until some docs come out who source is an anti Iran terrorist group who reported it to an media outlet? Seriously, Mossad alone has the best intel on anything and everything pertaining to the Middle East. If Iran is actually working on a nuke Mossad will know, and then the CIA, so on and so forth.

According to Debkafile the MEK/PMOI, the main Iranian opposition, obtained documents relating to Iran's nuclear ambitions. Supposedly, according to the source, there are some 60 experts working throughout 11 different Iranian agencies under the control of the Defense Ministry.

The source of these allegations are coming from a terrorist group who hates Iran and has had their hand in the killing of Iranian scientists (also believed to be working with Mossad regarding the killings of said scientists).

en.wikipedia.org...

The People's Mujahedin of Iran (MEK, also PMOI, MKO) (Persian: سازمان مجاهدين خلق ايران sāzmān-e mojāhedin-e khalq-e irān) is an exile-Iranian organization that advocates the overthrow of the Islamic Republic of Iran.[3][4]

The United States, Canada, Iraq and Iran have designated the MEK a terrorist organization.[14][15]

Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Drunkenparrot

 

I'm going with the word of Israel's and US intel agencies.

Methinks we have the issue pinpointed right there...

Originally posted by Juanxlink

Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Drunkenparrot

 

I'm going with the word of Israel's and US intel agencies.

Methinks we have the issue pinpointed right there...

Gee, lets see, trust a known terrorist group or Intel agencies? I get the reason for the distrust of Mossad and the CIA, but conspiracy aside, there are good people who work within those communities and they ALL report Iran is on the up and up.

Originally posted by Swills

Originally posted by Juanxlink

Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Drunkenparrot

 

I'm going with the word of Israel's and US intel agencies.

Methinks we have the issue pinpointed right there...

Gee, lets see, trust a known terrorist group or Intel agencies? I get the reason for the distrust of Mossad and the CIA, but conspiracy aside, there are good people who work within those communities and they ALL report Iran is on the up and up.

If that were the case then what is the justification for the current round of economic sanctions?

Both the U.S. and Israel have repeatedly stated that they have solid intelligence that an active Iranian weapons program exists, the suspicion many have has been that very little has been divulged publicly.

Recently there has been a good bit of contradictory information from various sources throughout the media regarding the subject. Whether the Iranians choose to take the final step and actually assemble a nuclear device is an exercise in semantics to support their own various agenda's.

I don't see anyone in a position to know denying the existence of a research program, the question is a matter of how advanced Iranian weapons research is.

From the same sources you posted above...

In Senate testimony on Jan. 31, James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, stated explicitly that American officials believe that Iran is preserving its options for a nuclear weapon...

“They are certainly moving on that path, but we don’t believe they have actually made the decision to go ahead with a nuclear weapon,” Mr. Clapper told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence...

...“They don’t have evidence that Iran has made a decision to build a bomb, and that reflects a real gap in the intelligence,” Mr. Kay said. “It’s true the evidence hasn’t changed very much” since 2007, he added. “But that reflects a lack of access and a lack of intelligence as much as anything.”

U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb | NY Times

"Clearly, the more the Iranians progress the worse the situation is. This is a critical year, but not necessarily 'go, no-go.' The problem doesn't necessarily stop on December 31, 2012. We're in a period when something must happen: Either Iran takes its nuclear program to a civilian footing only or the world, perhaps we too, will have to do something. We're closer to the end of the discussions than the middle...

...Iran, Gantz says, "is going step by step to the place where it will be able to decide whether to manufacture a nuclear bomb. It hasn't yet decided whether to go the extra mile."

Israel ex-security chief says leadership 'misleading public' on Iran | BBC

"They are misleading the public on the Iran issue. They tell the public that if Israel acts, Iran won't have a nuclear bomb. This is misleading. Actually, many experts say that an Israeli attack would accelerate the Iranian nuclear race."

IDF chief to Haaretz: I do not believe Iran will decide to develop nuclear weapons

Originally posted by Swills
Yeah, no, I'm going to believe the words of Israel's and America's intelligence agencies and their findings that Iran has no nuke, isn't building a nuke, and doesn't plan on building a nuke anytime soon.

Your own sources contradict your belief...

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US and Israel politicians have been war mongering that Iran has a nuke program but their Intelligence Agencies say otherwise. It's up to the politicians to digest the information and choose a course of action. The sanctions result from the fact that Iran has been working on a civilian/peaceful nuclear program, a program that reached up to a max of 20% nuclear enrichment. The politicians use this against Iran stating from here they could possible go further if they wanted, which is obvious, but weapons grade nuclear enrichment is around 90% so if Iran wants a nuke they still have a long way to go. The so called "contradictions" you think you've found are actually officials reenforcing that Iran doesn't have a nuke program but if they decided too start one up they could, which again is painfully obvious but doesn't mean they have a nuke program or are planning on starting one up. Sorry, but neither I nor the articles are contradicting ourselves, you just want us to be to fit your argument. Also, its not my BELIEF, it's cold hard facts from multiple INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES..

So again, Iran has no nuke program and according to Israel and US intel they aren't planning on starting a nuke program. Who do you believe, a terrorist group called MEK or Western Intelligence agencies?

“They are certainly moving on that path, but we don’t believe they have actually made the decision to go ahead with a nuclear weapon,” Mr. Clapper told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence...

...Iran, Gantz says, "is going step by step to the place where it will be able to decide whether to manufacture a nuclear bomb. It hasn't yet decided whether to go the extra mile."

"They are misleading the public on the Iran issue. They tell the public that if Israel acts, Iran won't have a nuclear bomb. This is misleading. Actually, many experts say that an Israeli attack would accelerate the Iranian nuclear race."

Nowhere does it say they are working on a program but instead propose WHAT IF scenarios.... So if Israel attacks Iran because they think they have a nuke program, but in reality they don't have said program, Iran may start up a program in response to an Israeli attack. Yeah, in that scenario putting the blame on Iran makes perfect sense

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What do you think "moving on that path" means?

You are misinterpreting what is being said, nobody is denying some form of Iranian weapons program exists.

The issue is the extent of the program, the actual threat it realistically poses to the international community and the appropriate response, if any, that should be taken.

I would also point out that the previous post by ATS member Rapha is possibly correct in the accusation that Iran purchased 3 or 4 tactical weapons from an ex-Soviet republic in the early 1990's.

Whether they are still viable is a different matter as nukes require specialised maintenance and have a finite shelf life however, if true the claim substantially undermines the absolute position of those who claim Iran has no nuclear ambitions independent of the evidence supporting current accusations.

For anyone interested...

20% U-235 is the theoretical minimum required for a critical mass, 90% allows for a small enough physics package as to be realistically deliverable.

The Hiroshima bomb was 80% U-235 and current U.S. nuclear design use 40% HEU in their secondary stages which are ignited by a Plutonium-239.

Feel free to look it up and further explain the insignificance of 20% to weapons design.

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


By on the path, that means because of their civilian nuclear program they are clearly on the path of nuclear enrichment, but that does NOT mean they are on the path to create and develop a nuclear weapons program. Iran could easily go down that road if they want to but according to INTEL reports they have NOT decided to go that route. Israel and the US are well aware they can at anytime and fear their nuclear program, obviously, and want it shut down. So again, that means they can start up a program but they don't have one as of yet. Mossad, the CIA, and other intel agencies all have their eyes on Iran and if Iran starts up a program they will be the first to know, not some media outlet. I've worked with Israel's intelligence agencies when I served in the USN and lemme tell they have the best intel around. They'll know Iran has nuke program before most Iranians.

So once again, in conclusion, Iran has no nuke program. As my RDC chief used to say, "repetition makes lasting impressions upon dull minds"

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
For anyone interested...

20% U-235 is the theoretical minimum required for a critical mass, 90% allows for a small enough physics package as to be realistically deliverable.

The Hiroshima bomb was 80% U-235 and current U.S. nuclear design use 40% HEU in their secondary stages which are ignited by a Plutonium-239.

Feel free to look it up and further explain the insignificance of 20% to weapons design.

Any nuclear enrichment program can be demonized when people use the "what if" scenario. Right now Iran is at 20%, or last I read, and if they continue to increase that number then suspicions will obviously be raised. When you start reading headlines that Iran's nuclear enrichment is 30%, 40%, 50%, and so on, then Iran will be hard pressed to deny these accusations.

On side note, the ironic twist to all of this is that the USA helped Iran build their first nuclear plants some decades ago.

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Anyone whom doesn't think that Iran has the ability to take the nuke material they already have and make it explode you ARE deluding yourself when the Israelis attack it is game ON! But, we will see if I am a Madman or correct in my assertions... However in the same breath I believe that we have tech right now that will blow your mind and will win the war...

If the Iranis have no bomb....they better bloody well get one!
If they wish to avoid cowing down to the western bankers and the NATO Goons, they better get a good dependable delivery system too...and maybe some tactical ones .......!
Iran is a sitting duck..........somebody will take it out one way or another...either war, economics, or politics....
Or all, Iran will go down one way or the other.....
This is a paramount objective, and it will be reached.....remember the hostages!
AttAAACCKKa!

Iraq had WMD's too....

yep....

At this point the public has NO idea what to believe. And that's the point. 2 opposing forces are at work among TPTB, so it would seem. First there is HARD EVIDENCE that they're producing, then there is NO evidence.

THEN there are whistle blowers saying yes, and whistle blowers saying no.

All the while the media and politicians are pushing BOMB BOMB BOMB! and since that's the only offered solution, many Americans are like "hey, let's do it then".

this#sucks

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


Are we peaceful? Do we just kindly go around the world asking politely if we can instill democracy? Do we never break our own promises? Do we never lie to our own citizens through our media? Do we only use our nuclear capabilities for peaceful reasons? Is every military operation we engage in an absolute last resort and always with good intent? Do we invade other countries to ensure we do everything possible to help them in every way and not take advantage of their resources? Of course, by we, I mean the US government.

I just don't get this hypocrisy. We have thousands on nukes. We invade countries and start bogus wars. Israel has hundreds of nukes. Russia has thousands of nukes. North Korea, god knows how many nukes they have. Saudi Arabia has nukes. And you're telling me Iran is the problem? Does the phrase, "the pot calling the kettle black" not mean anything? If we don't want others to have nukes, how about we start first, and lead by example.

You act like America has a clean track record with the way we conduct business abroad. You act like America doesn't use its own nuclear arsenal to its advantage. You act like America, Israel and Saudi Arabia actually have good intentions in the middle east, are not a threat to Iran and Iran should feel no need to protect themselves from these nuclear powers whom seemingly proclaim Iran has no right to posses a nuke, while we proudly flaunt our own arsenal and threaten to bomb them. When was the last time Iran invaded or bombed a country? When was the last time we did?

What nonsense! DEBKAFILE is NOT a respected source for news. The MEK is a Mossad funded terrorist organization so any intel they come up with is tainted. NO intelligence agency from ANY country believes Iran is building a nuclear weapon.