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Topic started on 13-5-2012 @ 11:54 AM by consigliere

I've been wondering this for awhile

1. IF (note the caps) quantum physics is correct, and an observer "snaps" reality into place,, and

2. ALL possibilities exist until "observed",, and

3. Parallel universes exist

Would that not make my dreams, (no matter how ridiculous they are),,,,a form of reality that exists in which I was the observer?

Just a question,,,simply a theory,,,,,gotta run,,,will check in shortly

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 11:57 AM by dude69

define ridiculous ^^

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reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 11:59 AM by consigliere

Originally posted by dude69
define ridicilous ^^

Touche,,,,

you know flying, falling, running on all fours,,,etc.

thing that we would consider impossible or improbable

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:03 PM by NeverSleepingEyes

Originally posted by consigliere
I've been wondering this for awhile

1. IF (note the caps) quantum physics is correct, and an observer "snaps" reality into place,, and

2. ALL possibilities exist until "observed",, and

3. Parallel universes exist

Would that not make my dreams, (no matter how ridiculous they are),,,,a form of reality that exists in which I was the observer?

Just a question,,,simply a theory,,,,,gotta run,,,will check in shortly

interesting question
i feel it can't be answered until we agree on what "reality" is (in this debate, to start with)
if we reserve the word to denote the "stuff that's there regardless of us observing it" then I would say "nope, dreams aren't part of that"
but then again, is it a valid position to reserve that word for that denotation? isn't there another angle?

looking forward to see other attempts (i'm a stupid bloke, don't expect too much brilliance :-) )

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:04 PM by NeverSleepingEyes

Originally posted by dude69
define ridiculous ^^
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you made me smile, asking for a definition as well, but another one :-)

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:06 PM by consigliere

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For arguments sake,,,,

In philosophy, reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined.[1] In a wider definition, reality includes everything that is and has been, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. A still more broad definition includes everything that has existed, exists, or will exist.

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:10 PM by dude69

Well...no.

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:10 PM by consigliere

For me,, a dream is no different than the "reality" i just experienced.

My memories and my dreams,,,seem to be along the same lines,,,,pictures in my mind

So i make the assumption that all things exist until,,,we observe them,,,but you know,,,jsut a thought

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:11 PM by dude69

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reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:13 PM by consigliere

Originally posted by dude69
reply to post by consigliere

^^

You disagree, but why? im interested in your and all opinions on the subject

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:16 PM by NeverSleepingEyes

Originally posted by consigliere
reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

For arguments sake,,,,

In philosophy, reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined.[1] In a wider definition, reality includes everything that is and has been, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. A still more broad definition includes everything that has existed, exists, or will exist.

ok, i go for the first one...
in that case I think the answer to your question must be "nope"
as I would assume (I take a materialist position) that dreams are the result of stuff happening in your brain, more or less the way we create or perception of reality but without being triggered by our sense of that state of things.

what i mean to say is that probably a dream and a perception are made of the same "stuff", the only difference being the trigger of the process of creating that "stuff". In a dream, there's no outside trigger.

does this makes sense?

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:19 PM by dude69

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I don't necessarily disagree. reality is waves n stuff interpreted by your brain. Quantum physics...scientists can't even figure out, why particles pop up here and there, so....No idea.

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reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:19 PM by consigliere

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes

Originally posted by consigliere
reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

For arguments sake,,,,

In philosophy, reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined.[1] In a wider definition, reality includes everything that is and has been, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. A still more broad definition includes everything that has existed, exists, or will exist.

ok, i go for the first one...
in that case I think the answer to your question must be "nope"
as I would assume (I take a materialist position) that dreams are the result of stuff happening in your brain, more or less the way we create or perception of reality but without being triggered by our sense of that state of things.

what i mean to say is that probably a dream and a perception are made of the same "stuff", the only difference being the trigger of the process of creating that "stuff". In a dream, there's no outside trigger.

does this makes sense?

Indeed

My rationale being,,,,no i wasnt the "creator",,, simply the observer

Not being bound to linear space or time while sleeping,,,,,perhaps i am able to glimpse another "reality"

If that makes sense

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:20 PM by consigliere

Originally posted by dude69
reply to post by consigliere

I don't necessarily disagree. reality is waves n stuff interpreted by your brain. Quantum physics...scientists can't even figure out, why particles pop up here and there, so....No idea.
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Thanks for the response Dude
2nd line

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:29 PM by Manhater

Yeah, it just told me to wake up for work. And here I thought I was two hours late.........Tell you more about it when I get home. Have a good one all.

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:30 PM by NeverSleepingEyes

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yep, that does make sense
especially after reading some ideas by Robert Lanza ("death does not exist")

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:33 PM by consigliere

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
reply to post by consigliere

yep, that does make sense
especially after reading some ideas by Robert Lanza ("death does not exist")

Gonna check that book out
thanks

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 12:35 PM by trollz

I've wondered if dreams aren't just out of body experiences, and our "dreams" are just our brains trying to deal with and rationalize all the information and memories your consciousness is bringing back.
Might be way off, but it's an interesting thought.

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 01:03 PM by reflexlm

Interesting idea. Dreams are really a mystery, It's hard for me to buy any of the explanations offered today. It could be that when you're asleep, somehow your consciousness is able to explore different realities which are not on the realm of the "waking life'. But then again it could be just the brain's work.

Funny thing is that there are times when we don't even experience dreams as ourselves. Dreaming about being a chair is particularly fun..

reply posted on 13-5-2012 @ 01:05 PM by redhorse

Originally posted by consigliere
I've been wondering this for awhile

1. IF (note the caps) quantum physics is correct, and an observer "snaps" reality into place,, and

2. ALL possibilities exist until "observed",, and

3. Parallel universes exist

Would that not make my dreams, (no matter how ridiculous they are),,,,a form of reality that exists in which I was the observer?

Just a question,,,simply a theory,,,,,gotta run,,,will check in shortly

Interesting perspective, and question. I do have to say...

Boy, I sure hope not.

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