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Wormholes Vs. Blackholes

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posted on May, 13 2012 @ 01:42 AM
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Theoreticaly if wormholes existed and a wormhole and a black hole collided in space which one would win the battle? Or if wormholes do exist are they the same as a black hole? Since science as we know it says that black holes consume all what would a worm hole face in the battle if they are the same would it be another big bang?




posted on May, 13 2012 @ 01:48 AM
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black holes suck the speed of light while worm hole sits back with acceptance and then gets spit out



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by SarnholeOntarable
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black holes suck the speed of light while worm hole sits back with acceptance and then gets spit out


Worm holes are only a theory do you have any evidence to back up your claim?



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 01:59 AM
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No,do you have any black hole claims?They must exist,other wise I would not be here



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by swampcricket

Originally posted by SarnholeOntarable
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black holes suck the speed of light while worm hole sits back with acceptance and then gets spit out


Worm holes are only a theory do you have any evidence to back up your claim?


Black holes are only a theory as well, because it's based on the theory of general relativity which is a theory.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by SarnholeOntarable
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No,do you have any black hole claims?They must exist,other wise I would not be here



No, because there a theory, too.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 02:12 AM
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A wormhole is a theoretical connection between perfectly aligned black holes where their combined displacement of "space time" connects them in a way that would theoretically circumvent general relativity in as much as it would allow for matter to travel relatively faster . A second black hole would cause an additional disturbance in the fabric of reality and potentially disrupt the connection between the original two black holes. or this
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posted on May, 13 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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if blackholes and wormholes both existed, wouldnt they be tied to a certain spot in space, seeing as they bend space and time at some point, so if they were able to move around to collide and such, this would mean they'll be apart of the space they are "traveling" in and wont be able to consume it thus not being able to achieve their original theorized purpose of sucking in everything or linking two parts of stationary space together.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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just randomly throwing out theories
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posted on May, 13 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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It is called an Einstein/Rosen bridge, they have absolutely no known connection to the gravitic monsters known as singularities, much as they have no known connection to the magnetar, pulsar, gamma ray bursts, supernova or the white or brown dwarfs.

A "wormhole" is a doorway, a singularity, is more like the worlds highest security savings account, all deposits are welcome, but they don't do withdraws.

If a wormhole and a black hole met, I would imagine that the wormhole, would either act as a door, releasing some of the locked up info contained in the blackhole, which if true, would be the only known way to retreave info from the singularitiy, besides hawkings radiation of course.
Or, the black hole would simply suck up one end of the wormhole, causing a direct link past the event horizon to the singularity itself, which would probably just collapse it, instead of making a blackhole with more than one mouth.

You can not take 2 aspects of physics from the same theory, knowing that the same rules that lead to one lead also to the other. Then accept one as fact " blackholes", but then demand proof of the other" wormholes". You either believe in neither, thus requiring proof of both, or you accept that the same proven reliable theory that explains the existance of one, also clearly explains the existance of the other. It is like a peanut jelly sanwich, if you believe the proof that the peanut butter is on the bread, you cannot in the same breath deny the rules of physics that also prove there is jelly there. Sry if you find one easier to believe than the other, that doesn't change the fact, that by Einsteins General Theory of Relativity, if one exists, the other must as well. His theory, is that air tight BTW. He proved blackholes and wormholes existed, by proving his theory correct, in that gravity will warp spacetime, causing light to bend at an exact and measurable rate. Thus proving not only, ralativity to be true, but also all those far out ideas that are contained therein.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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Actually,I just had a rather disturbing thought. Despite my best efforts, I can't recall this particular situation being explored at any time before.

1 if the blackhole, ate one end of the wormhole, and the wormhole remained stable, would that create a blackhole with 2 feeding mouths?
2 or would the wormhole even allow any transfer of information? Relativity never says anything CAN traverse a wormhole, it just says it isn't impossible.

To make a wormhole stable enough for information transfer, we know for a fact we would need to charge the "hole" itself with "strange matter" to sustain and open it. The problem, as we currently understand it, is that these things come and go in a flash, so we would need to know where and whe one would open, the have the tech needed to use it. Oh and a supply of the previously mentioned " strange matter" that has properties we don't know, to accomplish results we don't understand.

These problems work themselves out easily though, when in the presence of a singularity. If there is indeed " strange matter" in the universe, I would think its atomic mass would be very high, much higher than plutonium even. Since all the heavy elements are made in the last gasps of the biggest stars, wouldn't it stand to reason, that elements with an unbelievably atomic mass could be found in a singularity? Problem is we could never study it, sample it, or even know it was there. No information passes event horizon, hence the name.

If a wormhole end were to fall down the gravity well to the singularity though, then it would be theoretically, in the presence of the theoretical "strange matter" needed to keep open and allow information transfer. Once again though, we have no idea if we would just open a new mouth or if gravity would have a effect on the other side of the hole. I would like to believe, we would then be able to at least view or study the information contained inside the blackhole. Or at best maybe even sample it.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 06:59 AM
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All things are part of space time/andor the energies contained therein. We know they can and do move around already, we have video of 2 circling eachother. I am part of this world, that doesnt make me any less able to consume it, or anything found on it. Might not be the best idea for me to do, but I could still consume it.

Every known object exists in space time, as there is no outside spacetime to exist in. One can not sit back at a safe distance and watch the big bang, the only spacetime to exist in is all contained inside the bigbang. So just to view or interact with spacetime in any fashion, one must be present in said space time, in order to interact with it.

So to answer your question, no they are not tied to any one point in spacetime, as it is impossible to not move in spacetime. All you can do is hold still relative to your reference point, which is of course always moving, making it less reference point, and more a plastic bag blowing willy nilly through the universe. Also spacetime itself, is moving, flowing and expanding as is its nature, totally uncaring as to the wants and whims of all energies and matter contained in it, much like the ocean cares not about the soda can you through over the side. Its comings and goings will happen despite what you want, and in complete uncaring serenity about the items placed in it.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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A black hole is a shredder. Anything past the event horizon gets shredded.

It's only a 'hole' in the sense that nothing ever comes out. Think of it a little lkie Katamari Damacy, where things get stuck together in a big ball, where nothing ever gets unstuck, and to make room for every other thing that comes along to get stuck, everything is shredded, crushed, melted, compacted, pulverized, and annihilated to such an extent that the resulting gravitational ball is nice and smooth, always growing stronger the more stuff that gets stuck.

A wormhole, by comparison, is a magical hamster tube where you go in one end, and come out another, where the 'distance' and time traveled inside the hamster tube does not seem to equal the distance and time apparently traveled from outside the hamster tube.
Time and distance are either compressed, or elongated separately from the manifold of regular space while inside a wormhole.
Millions of years or light-years could pass in a second as is commonly portrayed in Science Fiction, but, at the same time, also, it could take a Million years stuck inside a wormhole to travel one centimeter in one second.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Reddwhite got the closest to giving you an actual answer.

A black hole is a massive object contained within such a small volume that its surface is within its own Schwarzschild radius - that is, the escape velocity at its surface is greater than the speed of light, meaning even light can't escape its gravitational pull. This makes it a "black" hole.

A wormhole is what you get when you have a black hole that meets up with a white hole (the geometric reversal of a black hole). The connection between the two, as reddwhite said, is an Einstein-Rosen Bridge, which can be stabilized with exotic matter (otherwise it rapidly decays). However, this is essentially a singularity forced into a spherical shape, allowing matter to pass through and ultimate exit the white hole.

So, what would happen if a black hole encountered a wormhole? Most likely, it would destabilize the wormhole by tearing apart the Einstein-Rosen Bridge, the black hole and white hole would separate, and the two black holes would join to form one larger black hole.



posted on May, 18 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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Just saw a story on foxnews that kinda backs up my thoughts on black holes can't find it now but its there!



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