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In sociology and social psychology, ingroups and outgroups are social groups to which an individual feels as though he or she belongs as a member, or (for outgroups) to which they feel contempt, opposition, or a desire to compete.
Social stigma is the severe disapproval of, or discontent with, a person on the grounds of characteristics that distinguish them from other members of a society. Stigma may attach to a person, who differs from social or cultural norms. Erving Goffman defined stigma as 'the process by which the reaction of others spoils normal identity'.[1]
The three forms of stigma recognised by Goffman include: The fact of mental illness (or the imposition of such a diagnosis); a physical form of deformity or undesired differentness; and an association with a particular race, religion, belief, etc. (Goffman, 1990).
Originally posted by adigregorio
Beat ya to it pap!
Appealing to ridicule now, that's kinda low...
Originally posted by adigregorio
As you can see, your claim of Texas doing better than California is true. However, I must also point out how we seem to be following the national average.
Originally posted by adigregorio
Again, let's remove the people that set up the faulty system. Not the people that follow said system, I mean if we are going for them. You better be ready for your cell, cause Obama is doing this crap on a national level and I don't see him being "ousted"
Originally posted by adigregorio
And the way that I am treated, everyone assumes that "ousting is easy". So, get to it! You work on Obama and crew, since that does involve you directly. I will handle California, since as you admit, it is a huge mess itself!
OR you can just sit there and accept your national reaming, while condemning my state poke.
Originally posted by macman
I am tired of seeing the escaping Cali people migrating to other states, only to bring their Socialist crap with them and force it down the throats of said state.
Originally posted by adigregorio
Actors as politicians? You mean like Regan?
Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by SisyphusRide
So, you've stooped to bible thumping to get your agenda out...it makes sense now. You'd prefer violence to negotiation in anything concerning a state you've written off as ungodly.....:Your words ring false like a tin bell. You have a dark heart, if you have one at all....
Des
Originally posted by TheRedneck
In my household, if we do not have enough money to eat out, we do not eat out. If we do not have enough money to buy a new car, we drive the old car, and repair it if/as necessary. If we need more money, we have to work harder or smarter: take a new job, do something on the side, or sell something. A large part of this is also looking ahead. If I am running shy of money, my priorities become making sure I can get to and from work until payday. I fill up my gas tank, make sure I have food, etc.
In California, the problem is not just the politicians; that is a cop-out. It is that the majority of people in that state have decided that it is in their best interests to tell others what to do. Period.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
The concern over ecological madness (and please forgive me for that term; I know of no other which adequately describes it) takes precedence over the concern for income. Example: in California, which is greatly dependent on transportation to move its produce and imports to the rest of the country, someone who is doing just that is prohibited from having any sort of climate control or power for half of every day. That one restriction on idling a truck costs the state dearly in terms of transportation costs; I know a lot of drivers who refuse to enter California unless they are paid a premium, and several who will not enter for ny cost.
California ports of entry have fined drivers...
California has ticketed drivers for smoking in the cab of their own trucks, because they consider it a workplace. That thankfully was thrown out after a few months.
California tried to enforce a ban on CB radios at one point...
One example... just one. But across California, there are hundreds more. Regulation, more regulation, taxation, even more taxation...
Someone is going to accuse me of hating everybody in California, I'm sure... but is it really the politicians' fault? Who gave them the power? The people of the state did! Ergo, whose responsibility is it when this power is continually abused? The people's fault.
And as long as the average person wants things the way they are, there will be politicians who will happily oblige.
So forget about specific issues being at cause...
Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by macman
I am tired of seeing the escaping Cali people migrating to other states, only to bring their Socialist crap with them and force it down the throats of said state.
Indeed - the unintended consequence of the exodus is the negative effect that the people who have left California will have on the policies in the new counties, cities, and States to which they relocate.
Originally posted by Golf66
There is some evidence of this in Colorado's politics and economy. According to a freind of mine who lives there people from California have been moving there in droves over the last 10 years.
Originally posted by Golf66
Unfortunately, as people from California migrated there the programs they bring with them “for the good of the children, poor, minorities (insert supposed oppressed group), etc.”, were on the rise as well as, of course the taxes to go with them…
Originally posted by Golf66
Now they are leaving again after they have imposed their agenda and made Colorado almost as liberal as Californa.
Originally posted by Golf66
These people for the most part are like locusts – they come into a place and with their liberal ideology vote and support all manner of programs and politicians that spend money and necessitate in the raising of taxes.
Originally posted by Golf66
All the while the little folks who can't move freely about are stuck with the end result. Then again it takes two to tango and without the votes from the little folks (who thought they'd be getting something for nothing in most cases) these policies would not have come to pass.
Originally posted by Golf66
So - Californians can blame themselves and thier neighbors.
This "magic majority" doesn't write laws. They may vote for laws, but they do not will them into existance somehow.
Furthermore, all of those things you listed in the first paragraph. Well me, and all of my family follow those rules.
Again, you list things that are decided by people in power. And you seem to be using those things to attempt to blame the people that have to follow the list.
Get upset at the people writing the list...
Guess what, I am NOT a port of entry. Though by the reaming I recieve, you wouldn't know!
I don't fine drivers...
You know who does? The people in charge...The ones you should be "teaching a lesson" to. But no, I am now a Cap'n too, and should be held responsible!
If it was thrown out, then why list it?
Source? My father is an avid CB'er, my uncle HAM. Please, let all three of us know of this law that almost happened. Anyway, I NEED a source since that last example...
If this is how you think the world works, then wow. Well, regardless you sir are a hypocrite.
Also, how come Californians are the only ones expected to carry pitchforks? (Double standards!)
Originally posted by TheRedneck
I am glad you responded to me, sir. Let me address your concerns:
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Originally posted by adigregorio
This "magic majority" doesn't write laws. They may vote for laws, but they do not will them into existance somehow.
Politicians come into power by acquiring votes from people, not by show of force or magic. Those votes are personal decisions made by each and every individual who is a legal voter. If no one votes for a particular politician, that politician cannot write laws or influence public policy.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
I place blame for a poor politician getting elected on the system, i.e. the media and the political powers already in office. But when the same politician is elected again and again, or when politicians are continually elected who support the same general philosophy, the blame moves back toward those who voted them in: the people. Without the compliance of the population, politicians have no power. Ergo, blaming politicians for their actions while absolving those who voted them into power is a cop-out.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Never in the history of mankind has there been a positive societal change that happened in spite of the people's will or without assistance of the people's will.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Originally posted by adigregorio
Furthermore, all of those things you listed in the first paragraph. Well me, and all of my family follow those rules.
Congratulations. My family does as well. The problem is that your government is not following them, and the majority of voters seem to be OK with this.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Originally posted by adigregorio
Again, you list things that are decided by people in power. And you seem to be using those things to attempt to blame the people that have to follow the list.
Get upset at the people writing the list...
Who chose to place these list-writers in power?
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Originally posted by adigregorio
Guess what, I am NOT a port of entry. Though by the reaming I recieve, you wouldn't know!
I don't fine drivers...
You know who does? The people in charge...The ones you should be "teaching a lesson" to. But no, I am now a Cap'n too, and should be held responsible!
Firstly, I do not believe I have implicated you directly in anything. I have stated (quite clearly I believe) that it is the majority of the individuals that make up the state who are responsible. You, sir, are not a majority; you are an individual.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
And that is the very heart of the problem. I have stated personal observations on the mentality of the general population of California. Because you make a conscious decision to choose to acknowledge those observations as something they were not intended, you then make the logical leap that my observation is somehow flawed.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
What you have done here is demonstrate how political correctness works. I thank you for that demonstration, as I believe it reinforces my point.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Source? My father is an avid CB'er, my uncle HAM. Please, let all three of us know of this law that almost happened. Anyway, I NEED a source since that last example...
Not law, bill only.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Originally posted by adigregorio
If this is how you think the world works, then wow. Well, regardless you sir are a hypocrite.
This is how the USA works. Leaders are voted into power by people. Is this not still taught in California schools as it is in Alabama?
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Originally posted by adigregorio
Also, how come Californians are the only ones expected to carry pitchforks? (Double standards!)
Nope, no double standards. I hold my state and local officials' feet to the fire regularly...
Originally posted by TheRedneck
It is not, however, my place to lead your charge on your officials... just as I do not expect you to lead the charge on mine. Besides, it would be a futile effort; if stating the problem brings such a response, how would you react should someone actually try to fix something?
What so now there isn't rampant voter fraud in the US, not to mention California? (I can source the claim, but there has been so much as of late I don't think I need to.)
Anyway, am I at fault for the fraud too?
Majority rule is a crappy way to live, even moreso when you get to throw the corporations in as the majority.
Wait, now we have a massive party system? Instead of a two-party one?
How many times have I seen republicans, or democrats REFUSE to pick a different canidate. Why? Well because of their party! "I can't vote for that guy, he's liberal!!111!" "What? ME vote for a conservative?!?!111one!1"
The inquisition, here we go.
That's like Americans loving this "hate on" California, and the Californians, well, not so much...
Also, who gets to decide positive and negative?
You are close to what the problem is:
I am an individual, and since I am part of the majority I find these attacks hateful.
Nay, not flawed. I call it hypocritical.
Obama is still in office, Bush made it his full EIGHT years. (What was that about folks getting back into power, time-and-again?)
You primed the pump for this demostration. And now I have turned it into something uncomfortable, because "I saw what you did there".
And it was overturned, when the Californians do something right. Well it is played down, isn't it!
Take a look at the Electoral College
You have to admit the majority of "haters" do nothing but type. And vanish when they realize I DO do more than just type.
So if you do not plan on changing that which you complain about, then why complain about it?