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Is it a crime to hate the US?

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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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I've had this question for a long time, and I have been searching a lot for it.
At first, I was reluctant to ask, because I did not want to be bashed by the patriotism of the american atser, but I think that it is possible that not only I, but others will prosper from this.
And before I ask, I think I will have to emphasize on that it is a genuine question. I really mean it.
For those who think that anyone who does not have basic information like this on america is stupid/ignorant: The universe does not revolve around the states, there are other people, at other places, concerned with matter outside of the US.(for the rest: sorry, but as I see, americans are often very eccentric about themselves and their country)
Is it a crime(of any way) to hate USA? I mean, obviously, there is not a law that says: If you hate america, you have to pay a fine of 50bucks, or sit thru a night in jail, but I am curious. In my country, if you speak up against the prez, even your cousins can and will be apprehended, they lose their jobs, and so on.
But let's say I stood up on a pedestal and said: I hate America! I hate it's government, that they think they are the cops of the world and can do anything at their whim. I hate their ignorance, their aggressive and unprovoked foreign reactions, and all that.
And now: let me say: I Do Not Hate The American Citizen! I do not hate nationality, race, religion(though I tend to treat religious people akin to brain damaged ones. long story, would not go into that one now. maybe later) or political views. I have just as much honour for the average american, as I have towards my fellow homeboys. I have absolutely no problem with you, but unfortunately, a country is mostly defined(in my eyes at least) by its government. Although I do not deny that every country's leadership is neck deep in horsecrap, I see the way that the prime arseholes are in the states.
So the question(in detail) is:
As an european, can I be punched in the piehole for dissing the land of the 'free'?
And
As an american, would I have more or less freedoms on the matter?

My guess is that as an european, I'd get away with it, but as an US citizen(if I were) I would be kicked in the butt, sooner or later(pre or post martial law)

P.S.: I really did not intend to offend any US people. I would not live there, mainly because of the limitlessly corrupted system, and the intentional poisoning through air, food, and water, but I guess it's everyone's choice('cept for those that it's not) to live in a place like that. I would have fled at the first sight of the Georgia Guidestones, or DIA, or any of the newly signed exec orders and papers like that.
P.P.S.: I referred to the 'gubbment' as the 'Cops of the world'. It is a Phil Ochs song, and I think, everyone(almost, at least) on this site would/will love it. Sort of Bob Dylan-esque, but with more guts.
Thank you for your time. Don't troll if you can. Also, do not deviate from the subject if you can.




posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:28 PM
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i didn't read the wall of text, but i will say this.


im not proud of my country.

its nice that they are protecting us from terrorists, but at the same time they are pumping fluoride, i mean POISON into our water without our permission all the time.

i kinda love/hate my country.


its like we are Really Really free, but not really.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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I'm sorry but I don't completely understand your question.

So the question(in detail) is:
As an european, can I be punched in the piehole for dissing the land of the 'free'?
And
As an american, would I have more or less freedoms on the matter?
"As an european," in Europe or in the US? I have to assume you mean in the US because you will be sainted if you hate the US in Europe (OK, an exaggeration, but there is no punishment there I've ever heard of.)

I would think an American and a European in the US would be treated the same. The result would depend. There might be a drunk with very strong feelings on the subject who might come after you, but on the other hand you might be on a college campus and get an honoroary doctorate. If you were attacked, the police would probably try to protect you and arrest the attacker. (Unless the situation was unusual, say a mass demonstration.)

I think almost all the time you could get away with it. You might lose a few friends, but so what? Have I come close to answering your question?



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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sorry for that. I really really really love typing. I always had this little devil whispering into my ear that the so called 'terrorists' are also paid by the country to pose an unending threat to enable them to take away american rights one by one for the sake of 'security'. Of course, no way to prove that ever, but it is disturbingly logical, just with a pinch of cold hearted tactics.

Anyway, If you are here already(besides the fact that I like to reply on every repliable comment) I would like to ask, without even a grain of sarcasm. How do you wake up every day, and turn on the taps for water while you know what is in there? I only ask because I mean it. Colour me a hypochonder, but I could not bear it with a sane mind. I just can not imagine how I would not flee if it would turn out that my country is so sick of me that it tries to get rid of me by poisoning The Water.

P.S.: How can one be notified when there's a reply on his/her/its(?) comment? I am far more active at reading than actually doing a thing here.
P.P.S.: And then again, sorry for the wall. guess I just talk to people far too rarely.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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To be honest, sometimes I hate America and I was born and raised here!

As a Human Being, you have the right to freedom of expression like everyone else.
As a European, Why SHOULD you worry about/hate America? We are thousands of miles away from each other and know next to nothing about each other yet we judge each other based on our Governments? It just seems a waste of precious time!

Being an American I can safely say that everyone I know at one time or another has hated something about our country be it the Government,the Police, 5 O'Clock Rush Hour Traffic or just plain old Malaise. We give each other slack when it comes to bitchin' about America.

I will cut you some slack for being honest!


No Crime here folks.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by Narcissous
reply to post by SoymilkAlaska
 


sorry for that. I really really really love typing. I always had this little devil whispering into my ear that the so called 'terrorists' are also paid by the country to pose an unending threat to enable them to take away american rights one by one for the sake of 'security'. Of course, no way to prove that ever, but it is disturbingly logical, just with a pinch of cold hearted tactics.

Anyway, If you are here already(besides the fact that I like to reply on every repliable comment) I would like to ask, without even a grain of sarcasm. How do you wake up every day, and turn on the taps for water while you know what is in there? I only ask because I mean it. Colour me a hypochonder, but I could not bear it with a sane mind. I just can not imagine how I would not flee if it would turn out that my country is so sick of me that it tries to get rid of me by poisoning The Water.

P.S.: How can one be notified when there's a reply on his/her/its(?) comment? I am far more active at reading than actually doing a thing here.
P.P.S.: And then again, sorry for the wall. guess I just talk to people far too rarely.




hmmm well.


i wake up in the morning, and i just know im still not free.

its a strange feeling, knowing that i can't do anything about it, but i never give up the will to be free.

i always say, im not free, but "they" can ******* off.


so i turn on the shower, poisoned fluoride water pouring over me, slowly killing me.

i never asked for this.

i towel off dry, and acknowledge the fact that i took a shower of poison, and will probably continue to do so, because im not free, and i have no choice.

but i don't get sad, i try to not let it bother me. but it does.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:54 PM
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"Is it a crime to hate the US?"

I dunno. Is it a crime to hate the Middle East? North Korea? China, Russia?

If you HAD to choose one of these places to live in (U.S. included), which would you choose?
We may suck, but I'm pretty sure we suck the least.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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yes. now I see that I was not clear enough. thank you for your information. You have answered my questions. I get really twitchy when I can not find something on the web, and no matter how i twisted the words, all I've got was a lot of pages about hate crimes.
Anyway: I meant that If I were an american, but your question expanded the possibilities to four, but then you have answered all of them, so they seem pretty much the same now. Initially I was curious about the legal retaliations.
I know about some cases when someone cursed Obama, and they got pretty much f***ed(no way to tell if they are true) so I thought about what if somebody stood up against the nation. I guess the land can never be as offended as a single person can be.
P.S.: Sorry if I am not clear enough sometimes. I have learned the language through movies. and I pretty much use(or misuse) my language the same way.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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I read your post in it's entirety, and you have every right to hate my country. Not everyone will agree but whatever, no one can tell you how to feel.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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Hate is a feeling, not a crime. I believe that. Which is why I don't believe in "hate crimes."

Nobody should be punished for their feelings. There is something vile and Orwellian about that.

People can be punished for their actions, so if your hate leads to an illegal action, well, you should be punished. But for your actions, not your feelings.

I understand a lot of people have hate towards America. In my opinion, America has some serious issues. And our leaders (political, financial, cultural) are taking us to a dark place.

But as an American I love America, especially the normal non-TPTB people! May God bless the United States! Its my home and you gotta root for the home team! If you are a non-American I can understand why you might feel differently.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:01 AM
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Thank you for your kindness. Nice to see other writers here(assuming from the title over your name). Always makes me smile(in a genuine way).



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:01 AM
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""Is it a crime to hate the US?""

Yes. Congress gave the President authority to use the military and detain US citizens forever, without a trial.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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straight from my heart. Every day I wake up cursing, vowing to crush the ruinous powers. to fight until my heart is done pumping. I enjoy life nonetheless, but I know I will never sleep peacefully, until every last one of us is as free as the others. There are times when I feel it can be achieved, there are times when I don't, but I know that I will die before I give up the good fight. This is what keeps me alive. And the will to preserve our culture, and the few people I personally care about. But this is the main. I am just a little happier that there are people feeling the same.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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Can infinite detention be applied to people beyond the border?(non-us citizens) I have read it a few times, but I could not get an answer to this either.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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It doesn't matter where you're from, you can come to the good old United States, and hate us to your heart's content, and it wouldn't be a crime. Hell, if you shouted loud enough, and long enough, I'm sure you would become a hero to many.

There is a down side though, especially when one considers the remarks you made about your own country. Once you get here, you will probably love it more than you could have ever imagined. Most immigrants tend to love this country more than our own natural born citizens do.

As far as I'm concerned, our current President hates the United States as much as you do. In my opinion, that's what his "Hope and Change" was about. He wasn't truly happy with the America that elected him, so his hope was to change the US into the USSA (United Socialist States of America). He has, unfortunately, made much progress in that direction.

See ya,
Milt



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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It is now,one hell of a nazi fema camp...I live up to the north and feel poisoned ....alot of idiots need to be hanged at the public square



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:36 AM
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Nobody is protecting us against ''terrorists''. I hope you don't really believe that.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Americans didn't elect the POTUS...never have.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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A crime?, of course not. I'm american and I agree with you. It's the government we are unhappy with. I have traveled outside the us and have seen how people look down on us and with the crap our government pulls I understand why. Someday when it all falls apart maybe we can become a glorious nation once again, but until then I predict more hatred toward us. I just hope that hatred gets and stays in the direction of those who a responsible for this. If I saw you yelling in the steet that you hate america I would protect you from anyone trying to stop you because we have free speech here, so say what you want, some may take offense but i'm sure they would not fully understand where you are coming from. Anyway I hope this helps.



posted on May, 13 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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