Originally posted by Sahabi
However, the guy in the OP video was offering an argument in accordance to Islamic belief. Muslims say Jesus never died, but was instead ascended to
So the guy in the video used Islamic dogma to argue the point; "Allah saved Jesus from a lynch mob of Jews by allowing his ascent to Heaven, but
yet Allah allows a Jewish woman to poison Muhammad?"
First, what does it matter, Prophet Isa (as) is a messiah and will be returning at the end of time... The plan of Allah for Both is a different
matter, it does not mean Allah favors Isa (as) more. Was Elijah favored above Nuh(as) or were They two Prophets with different roles?
I've read those Sahih Hadith about the pain in Muhammad's aorta from the poison, but I've never considered these hadith in regards to the
Qur'an saying if Muhammad was a forger that his aorta would be severed.
I can't say this is the opinion I stand behind, but it sure is one heck of an ironic coincidence....
First, these 'sahih' ahadith are not sahih. Abu Hurairah was a fabricator of ahadith, he did this for a living. (according to ahadith) Many of these
ahadith that are narrated concerning Prophet (saw) being poisoned from a Jewess are narrated through his testimony in these sunni books.
let us see this narration in Mustadarak, vol 3, page 191
3327 – أخبرني أبو بكر محمد بن أحمد المزكي بمرو ثنا عبد الله بن روح المدايني ثنا يزيد
بن هارون أنبأ هشام بن حسان عن محمد بن سيرين عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه قال : قال لي
عمر : يا عدو الله و عدو الإسلام خنت مال الله
Narrated Abu Huraira saying: Umar spoke to me saying; O enemy of Allah and Islam! You have done treachery with the property of Allah!
This chain according to the opinion of Hakim and Dhabi is
هذا حديث صحيح بإسناد على شرط الشيخين و لم يخرجاه
تعليق الذهبي قي التلخيص : على شرط البخاري ومسلم
this hadeeth is sahih upon the condtion of Shiekhayn but they did not write it
Dhabi said; sahih on the condition of Bukhari and Muslim
There are many more weaking Abu Huraira's testimony (to say the very least!). We could go through the chains on all these ahadith even in Bukhari and
Muslim and find the ahadith narrated on this topic to be daif. You cannot believe every ahadith regardless of what book it is in. You must examine
These ahadith are simply not acceptable. Neither in content because no Muslim believes that the Holy Prophet (saw) will sin by eating the meat of the
Jews, it is haram to do so... Neither in logic because it does not take years to die from poison, neither in chains of narrators. No Matter whose
books you look at.
Also, many of the ahadith do not say that Prophet (saw) felt his aorta cut! Some say He felt as if His heart may burst! Leading one to deduce
(properly) that He (saw) was describing a feeling of pain.
People wanted to destroy Islam, they fabricated ahadith in an effort to this end, or sometimes to make a living or to eat, this is why we are so very
careful to examine in proper context ALL ahadith. We do not remove the words from books because if we are wrong we hid a truth, but neither do we
accept them when on more than one level they appear false! Wallahu Aalim.
(This post is not meant to say anything against sunnis and their beliefs)
The only thing Muslims believe is protected by Allah from people changing of the words thereof is the Holy Quran. This does not mean we do not accept
ahadith because we do, what this does mean is that we are exceedingly careful in the examination of every ahadith, does the content contradict the
Quran? Are the narrators known as being truthful? Are there other ahadith from different chains of narrators (without touching the first chain in the
other like hadith) that further authenticate the hadith? Does the content of the ahadith contradict other ahadith?
There are many things to take into consideration before saying yes I do believe I can accept this ahadith and incorporate the words thereof into my
beliefs. This is why it is called the sciences of hadith. Remember, seeking knowledge is extremely important, and a duty upon Muslim.
13-5-2012 by Jameela because: (no reason given)