Who killed the prophet Muhammad? A 1400 year old murder mystery.

Originally posted by Sahabi
reply to post by azulejo

 

I would LOVE you to show them this. And while you're at it, say, "Sahabi left Islam and became an apostate. He openly speaks in denouncement of Islam." Tell them this and say I also said, "All humans are my brothers and sisters, assalaamu alaikum."

Ask if they will return my greeting of Salaam. Ask if I am worthy of the death penalty for leaving Islam.


P.S.
I've lost all Muslim friends for leaving the religion and talking in opposition to it. Many have said I am worthy of death because that is the teaching of Islam.

edit on 5/17/12 by Sahabi because: (no reason given)

As a non practicing Muslim, I not only respect your opinion, but I must admit it's always
a pleasure to read your opinion on the subject, because you have such great knowledge of Islam and other subjects, and that, even though I don't always agree with you.

So, without a doubt, I would return your Salam brother. All humanity is my brother and sister.

PS: Most of my Muslim friends tell me there is no such thing as a non practicing Muslim,
they say it's like saying you're "rich" but you have no "money"

reply to post by bo12au

no! just 18 pages of calling each other names and hardcore debating...

maybe come back again in 2 days

IN the search of suspects that could have killed Mohamed the pedophile prophet, we look at the slaughter of Mecca merchants that came to defend their caravans during Ramadan. A number of merchants and the army that came to defend him, seventy people in all, murdered. A pattern begins to emerge as we again find that Mohammed has chosen wealthy caravan with goods worth as much as fifty thousand denars. Mohammed assembled three hundred armed perpetrators to assist him in the crime. Muhammad has apparently created followers willing to commit robbery and murder for him. This is similar to the psychological profile of Charles Mansion who created obedient followers from weak-minded people will to commit murder for him on a whim. However, the sociological elements involved would be similar to that of Hitler’s where as his word is the law. Muhammad seams to have taken the evil ideology one-step further, as a prophet sent from god he is able to re-write religion on the fly to suit his own personal needs and have his followers obey his every command as if they were spoken by God. There were a total of seventy brutally murdered, if I use the estimate of the first crimes of the four merchants attacked by Mohammed and his gang, there would be approximately twenty five immediate family members and friends of the each of the victims that that would want to do Mohammed harm. That brings the count to approximately one thousand eight hundred and fifty people that may have wanted to do bodily harm to Mohammed. Although these suspects are worthy of further investigation, poorly written records at the time of the crimes would make it very difficult to follow up on any leads.

www.inthenameofallah.org...&%20Poets.html

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2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans~
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them


The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Muhammad ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan.


Throughout the entire battle Muhammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. There he cried and prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!"


The Muhammadans killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.


Muhammad was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was found, they cut off the head and threw it down at Muhammad 's feet.


The "Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!"


Muhammad then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Muhammad shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!"


One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of Muhammad. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?"


The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.


This time Muhammad needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.


Al Anfal 8:65 "O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"


This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a belief system that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for its followers to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muhammadan version of Islam. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not a Muhammadan Muslim, but he is also saying that all so called Unbelievers are so stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therefore deserve death!


Al Anfal 8:67-68 "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."


This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Muhammad held for ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Muhammad has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in the service of Allah.


So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Muhammad is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's world this is "Terrorism" of the worst kind.

Originally posted by the2ofusr1
reply to post by Jameela

 

Hey if you are looking for inside info on my family to bash me I can provide it ..here my dad did 3 penitentiary bits and many county jail stints ..one of my cousins murdered 2 police officers I could go on and on and if you need the info I will provide ...as for myself I was very fortunate that Jesus found me and changed my path in life ...There is nothing to find for me for the bash you suggest other than my relatives ...peace

A lump of coal turns into a diamond if you apply enough heat and pressure.

reply to post by Sahabi

Oh really? No supposed revelations at all? Guess someone ought to tell the Muslims that the 'revelations' to Muhammad by some supposed angel are just a rumor. That they never happened

How did you equate Islam being a "a continuation of the religion of Abraham, Noah, Enoch etc. to No revelations given to Mohammad.

Again, its all your perception.

reply to post by Sahabi

Why is it ok for the Qur'an to attack the beliefs of Christians by saying Jesus is not the Son of God and saying he did not get crucified? This is offensive to Christians.

Why is it ok for Christians to attack the beliefs of Jews by saying Jesus is the son of God and God Himself.
This is offensive to the Jews.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


I think it's ok for anyone to question or debate any religion on any point. This is how we get closer to the truth. If any religion is absolutely right and truthful, surely it can withstand the scrutiny of every investigation on earth.

The point I am trying to make is, the Qur'an specifically questions Christianity's view of Jesus and his death. Yet Muslims are storming this thread saying it is wrong and disrespectful to question Islam or Muhammad's death. Surely we can see the hypocrisy in this?

Don't dish it if you can't take it. If you think it is wrong to question Islam, then remove from the Qur'an all of the attacks and arguments directed at other religions.

Since Muslims believe Islam is perfect and the right path, Muslims should be happy for others to question Islam, because surely if Islam was right, non-believers would find no fault in it.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Jameela

An entire thread to insult the Holy Prophet (saw) of another religion! Wow, every single poster in this this thread must be so proud right now! Do you get a prize for being the most insulting toward those others love?

A problem with Islam is that its followers tend to get angry when anyone says anything they don't like about their prophet. Very angry.


But why should that surprise anyone?

Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

Life of God's Messenger

Ibn Ishaq was a devout Muslim historian and was the author of the first biography about Muhammad - Sirat Rasul Allah - "Life of God's Messenger" in 768 AD.

His biography of Muhammad's life is consistant with the Koran and Hadith and show Muhammad as an inolerant man of violence.

AND he killed puppies too

reply to post by azulejo


These are the official Islamic causes of death for Muhammad, depending on sect or school of thought.

• Unknown sickness. High fever, pain, and loss of strength.

• Poisoned by his Jewish wife Safiyah bint Huyai as revenge for the Muslims killing her husband, family, and tribe before Muhammad enslaved her and then married her.

• Poisoned by his wife Aisha bint Abi Bakr

• Poisoned by his wife Hafsa bint Umar

• Calipha Abu Bakr ordered the poisoning

• Calipha Umar ordered the poisoning

• Together, Abu Bakr and Umar planned the poisoning, while Aisha (daughter of Abu Bakr) and Hafsa (daughter of Hafsa) carried out the poisoning



Because you found it a curious outrage to count Aisha as a suspect, here is sheikh Yasser al-Habib from the Shia sect debating the view of Aisha being the assassin:

Did Aisha Poison Muhammad?

And this is regarding Muhammad's enslaved Jewish wife:
How Muhammad Married Enslaved Safiya Bint Huyay





But what is my opinion? The cycles of Life and Death killed Muhammad.

Here is a little girl that received a message from the angel Gabriel. I believe it is possible to receive messages from angels. If I started a thread saying that I received a message, would anyone believe me? Who is to judge that I am or am not more holy than Mohammed is? However, this innocent little girl has something in common with Mohammed. According to Mohammed’s law, it is ok to put her to death as an infidel. If she could convert, he could take her as a wife but she is too old for Mohammed at twelve years of age she is twice as old as one of his other wives. I think he would want to make her a slave, however since she received a vision from Gabriel I believe given Mohammed’s physiological profile he would put her to death.

reply to post by redneck13


By "physiological," I assume you mean to say psychological?
At which point I would point out that trying to psychologically profile an individual posthumously is not possible.

I would also like to ask you why you keep reposting the same posts page, after page?
The killing puppies one?
It is not adding anything to the discussion.

Now we are onto pedophilia, who should come to mind?
The Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai.
You would be hard pressed to find a more respected orthodox historical Rabbi.
I believe he said the age of 3 years old and a day was the age when one could marry a priest, and sanctioned that as halakah.
Sanhedrin is very informative on this subject.

As to the death of Mohammed, as in any investigation, who had a vested interest in killing him in order to subvert the message and grab the power that he had willed to another? Always follow the power, the money, and the subversion.

**Thighing**Mufakhathat

Originally posted by redneck13
In the search of suspects that could have killed Mohamed the pedophile prophet, we look at the slaughter of Mecca merchants that came to defend their caravans during Ramadan.

Personally, I think it was probably an angry mob of these little guys:


No. On second thought, it was probably just this little fella:


(sorry, shame on me, but I just couldn't help myself....)

reply to post by Sahabi

Discussion is good. Discussion is interesting.

The problem here is, as I'm sure you can very clearly see, Sahabi, people here aren't interested in discussion.

As an example, if someone talked about Islam's allowance for violence and fighting, that wouldn't be "insulting". It would lead to discussion. If someone talked about how they'd heard Allah was a moon god, if they weren't intentionally saying this in an attempt to be insulting (as most here are... the topic has come up and been disproved often enough yet people still go on about it), it could lead to some discussion, perhaps. Talking about the age of Aisha when she was married might lead to discussion.

But people here aren't interested in discussion. A token first post was posted, with a fairly irrelevant "mystery" that has no bearing whatsoever on anything at all, simply so that it may stay in the Conspiracies forum. Perhaps only the first page had anything of relevance on this topic (which makes sense, there is only so much you can say about "1400 year old murder mystery"). The rest was filled with one-liners, insults, responses from muslims, and redneck being a troll. Do you think redneck is interested in discussion, Sahabi?

As a counter example, it would be as if I had created a thread about the trinity, pretending to ask some "relevant" and "meaningful" question, but instead just using it as a platform to insult Christians by referring to it as the "Tri-force" (Legend of Zelda fans will know what I mean), and teasing them that Ganondorf would get them, and asking how stoned Paul must've been to see what he saw- Not a discussion at all, simply an attempt to provoke.

The topic itself is pretty sparse anyhow. As you said, either the belief is that he was sick, or that he died from the remnants of a poison left in his system from a few years before, or, as the Shias suspect, it was a plot involving Aisha.
Any single one of these is proven true, it won't change the beliefs of anyone at all. The result is meaningless. The result doesn't change the theology or beliefs of any sect or religious group.

However, I am curious where you got the idea for the theory that it was his jewish wife who did it. You claim to be well-versed in the islamic sources...I hope you didn't just pick up an unverified off-hand comment in an islamophobic hate-mongering website that said "his poisoner was supposedly jewish, I bet it was the same person!" (because all jews are the same)...

reply to post by Sahabi

Since Muslims believe Islam is perfect and the right path, Muslims should be happy for others to question Islam, because surely if Islam was right, non-believers would find no fault in it.

Feel free to to question Islam.... no muslim would take offense. They have the answers.
Like you said yourself..

If any religion is absolutely right and truthful, surely it can withstand the scrutiny of every investigation on earth.

reply to post by babloyi


Very true post.

reply to post by babloyi


Assalaamu alaikum babloyi, long time!

I do see what you're saying, and I agree. But we're in a boat with a mixed crowd. Some want to learn new things about Islam, and some just want to ridicule Islam at any chance. Just ignore those who are ignorantly immature or rude, and discuss with those who actually want to discuss.

I'm glad you brought up my post. I replied very early in the morning and missed out on a point:





• Possibly poisoned by the Jewess Zaynab bint al-Harith, as revenge for the Muslims killing her father, uncle, and husband.


In regards to Muhammad's wife Safiyya bint Huyayy.... Muhammad's army slaughtered her husband, father, and tribe. After her enslavement at the hands of the Muslim conquistadors, Muhammad took her as his wife, consummated the marriage, and forced her to wear the hijab as her people's blood was still fresh on the ground.

"When the Apostle married Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people."

al-Tabari

"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"

al-Bukhari

Although Muhammad himself tried to reassure everyone of Safiyah's trustworthiness, many Muslims, including some of Muhammad's other wives, continued to hold contempt and suspicion for this Jewess.

Because of such circumstantial motives, some Muslims (small minority) implicate Safiyah in Muhammad's death just as some blame the wives Aisha and Hafsa.

reply to post by babloyi


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So far Mohammed has murdered for greed, I suspect age has taken its toll on Khadija, Mohammed’s first wife. When Mohammed married her he didn’t have the means to support a wife, however Khadija was a successful business woman at the time and she was more than able to provide for herself. For most murders, there is some reason to commit the crime. I would first suspect Mohammed’s ageing wife is having difficulty managing her affairs in addition violence began to breaking out in Mecca and much of Mecca depended on revenues from the Kaaba. That would tie in with the first two murder scenes where robbery and a dwindling fortune could be the motive. So far, the people who may have wanted to harm Mohammed are stemming from robbery others murder, some of them in the form of maniacal butchery but now things will change. Mohammed will murder poets that have mocked him. It could be power and pride or political, or to create the reality he desires through the news media of the time. By controlling the information people receive he was able to control their perception of the state of current affairs to his own personal bias. There seems to be new motives behind his criminal activities. The murder of poets must have affected many people. Were the general populations of the surrounding areas cowering in fear? Alternatively, would the remaining family member plot to kill Mohammed? Is there a growing resentment to his doctrine of death? Probably so. Some of them are able to save their own lives by claiming to convert to Islam at the point of a sword. The numbers of suspects from these murders could be higher considering the writing of poets would have been the modern day equivalent of a newspaper; they would be very high profile, famous and respected people. Growing resentment towards Mohammed must be building but intimidation is a factor. Because of their notoriety poets, could possible produce 200 new suspect each because of their notoriety when trying to figure out who killed Mohammed? Abu Afak’s estimate should be higher since his age is estimated to be 100 years. Although it’s obvious that most leads have fallen through the crevasses of history. That is 2920 possible suspects in the Mohammed murder case.

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March 624: Al-Nadr bin al-Harith was included in the seventy protecting their caravans +175
Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law, at Muhammad's order, beheaded him, instead of getting some possible ransom money. He was one of two prisoners who were executed and not allowed to be ransomed by their clans—all because he harassed Muhammad and wrote poems and told stories critiquing him.

March 624: Uqba bin Abu Muayt was included in the seventy protecting their caravans +175
He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him. He too was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed. 'But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?' Uqba cried with anguish. 'Hell,' retorted the Prophet coldly. Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba's neck.

March 624: Asma bint Marwan +200
She was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans. She composed a poem blaming them for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. Perhaps in March 624, when the Allah—inspired Prophet heard what she had said, he asked, 'Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?' A member of her husband's tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.

April 624: Abu Afak +200
Abu Afak, was from Banu Amr Ibn Awf, and was an old man who had attained the age of one hundred and twenty years. He was a Jew, and used to instigate the people against the Apostle of Allah, and composed (satirical) verses [about Muhammad

September 624: Kab bin al-Ashraf +200
Kab b. al—Ashraf had a mixed ancestry. His father came from a nomadic Arab tribe, but his mother was a Jew from the powerful al—Nadir tribe in Medina. He lived as a member of his mother's tribe. He heard about the Muslim victory at the battle of Badr, and he was disgusted, for he thought Muhammad the newcomer to Medina was a trouble—maker and divisive. Kab had the gift of poetry, and after the Battle of Badr he traveled down to Mecca, apparently stopping by Badr, witnessing the aftermath. Arriving in Mecca, he wrote a widely circulated poem, a hostile lament, over the dead of Mecca.

September (?) 624: Ibn Sunayna +25
Ibn Sunayna was a Jewish merchant whose only crime seems to be that he was in town when the Muslims went on a killing spree

July-August 625: A One-eyed Bedouin +20
After failing at one of their assassination attempts, some Muslims were returning to Muhammad when one of them, an assassin named Amr, went into a cave. He soon encountered a one-eyed shepherd driving a sheep. The one-eyed man laid beside Amr (not realizing that he was a Muslim) and began to sing:
I won’t be a Muslim as long as I live,
Nor heed to their religion give.[24]
Amr didn’t miss his chance to kill an infidel

After January 630: close call for Abdullah bin Sad +50
Muhammad had killed a number of satirical poets during his conquest of Mecca, but that the Prophet would forgive a poet who came to him in repentance, which really meant becoming a Muslim. His brother told him that the poets who were left had fled in all directions
As Zuhayr came into the Prophet's presence, one of the Ansars (helpers or native Medinans who helped Muhammad after his Hijrah) leaped upon Zuhayr and asked Muhammad if he could behead the enemy of God, for some of Zuhayr's verses mocked the Ansars, too. The apostle said to leave him alone, for Zuhayr was breaking free from his past. The implication is clear: if Muhammad had caught Zuhayr before his repentance, Muhammad would have allowed him to be beheaded. Either he converts or he dies—for writing derogatory poetry

After January 630: One of Abdullah bin Katal’s two singing-girls +25
one of the girls was killed, but the other ran away until she asked for pardon from Muhammad, who forgave her
Poets were actually the NEWS MEDIA par EXCELLENCE of Arabia. They were LETHAL weapons since a very capable and articulate poet of a small tribe could elevate it in poems to levels greater than a much more powerful one.

As far as our research has demonstrated, no poet in the long period of the so called Jahiliyyah period, that is before Muhammadan Islam, was ever murdered for what he or she recited unlike what was done by Muhammad and his followers.