Originally posted by Sahabi
reply to post by azulejo
I would LOVE you to show them this. And while you're at it, say, "Sahabi left Islam and became an apostate. He openly speaks in denouncement of Islam." Tell them this and say I also said, "All humans are my brothers and sisters, assalaamu alaikum."
Ask if they will return my greeting of Salaam. Ask if I am worthy of the death penalty for leaving Islam.
I've lost all Muslim friends for leaving the religion and talking in opposition to it. Many have said I am worthy of death because that is the teaching of Islam.
edit on 5/17/12 by Sahabi because: (no reason given)
2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans~
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them
The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Muhammad ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan.
Throughout the entire battle Muhammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. There he cried and prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!"
The Muhammadans killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.
Muhammad was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was found, they cut off the head and threw it down at Muhammad 's feet.
The "Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!"
Muhammad then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Muhammad shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!"
One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of Muhammad. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?"
The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.
This time Muhammad needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.
Al Anfal 8:65 "O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"
This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a belief system that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for its followers to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muhammadan version of Islam. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not a Muhammadan Muslim, but he is also saying that all so called Unbelievers are so stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therefore deserve death!
Al Anfal 8:67-68 "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."
This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Muhammad held for ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Muhammad has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in the service of Allah.
So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Muhammad is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's world this is "Terrorism" of the worst kind.
Originally posted by the2ofusr1
reply to post by Jameela
Hey if you are looking for inside info on my family to bash me I can provide it ..here my dad did 3 penitentiary bits and many county jail stints ..one of my cousins murdered 2 police officers I could go on and on and if you need the info I will provide ...as for myself I was very fortunate that Jesus found me and changed my path in life ...There is nothing to find for me for the bash you suggest other than my relatives ...peace
Oh really? No supposed revelations at all? Guess someone ought to tell the Muslims that the 'revelations' to Muhammad by some supposed angel are just a rumor. That they never happened
Why is it ok for the Qur'an to attack the beliefs of Christians by saying Jesus is not the Son of God and saying he did not get crucified? This is offensive to Christians.
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by Jameela
An entire thread to insult the Holy Prophet (saw) of another religion! Wow, every single poster in this this thread must be so proud right now! Do you get a prize for being the most insulting toward those others love?
A problem with Islam is that its followers tend to get angry when anyone says anything they don't like about their prophet. Very angry.
But why should that surprise anyone?
Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.
Life of God's Messenger
Ibn Ishaq was a devout Muslim historian and was the author of the first biography about Muhammad - Sirat Rasul Allah - "Life of God's Messenger" in 768 AD.
His biography of Muhammad's life is consistant with the Koran and Hadith and show Muhammad as an inolerant man of violence.
Originally posted by redneck13
In the search of suspects that could have killed Mohamed the pedophile prophet, we look at the slaughter of Mecca merchants that came to defend their caravans during Ramadan.
Since Muslims believe Islam is perfect and the right path, Muslims should be happy for others to question Islam, because surely if Islam was right, non-believers would find no fault in it.
"When the Apostle married Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people."
"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
March 624: Al-Nadr bin al-Harith was included in the seventy protecting their caravans +175
Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law, at Muhammad's order, beheaded him, instead of getting some possible ransom money. He was one of two prisoners who were executed and not allowed to be ransomed by their clans—all because he harassed Muhammad and wrote poems and told stories critiquing him.
March 624: Uqba bin Abu Muayt was included in the seventy protecting their caravans +175
He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him. He too was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed. 'But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?' Uqba cried with anguish. 'Hell,' retorted the Prophet coldly. Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba's neck.
March 624: Asma bint Marwan +200
She was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans. She composed a poem blaming them for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. Perhaps in March 624, when the Allah—inspired Prophet heard what she had said, he asked, 'Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?' A member of her husband's tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.
April 624: Abu Afak +200
Abu Afak, was from Banu Amr Ibn Awf, and was an old man who had attained the age of one hundred and twenty years. He was a Jew, and used to instigate the people against the Apostle of Allah, and composed (satirical) verses [about Muhammad
September 624: Kab bin al-Ashraf +200
Kab b. al—Ashraf had a mixed ancestry. His father came from a nomadic Arab tribe, but his mother was a Jew from the powerful al—Nadir tribe in Medina. He lived as a member of his mother's tribe. He heard about the Muslim victory at the battle of Badr, and he was disgusted, for he thought Muhammad the newcomer to Medina was a trouble—maker and divisive. Kab had the gift of poetry, and after the Battle of Badr he traveled down to Mecca, apparently stopping by Badr, witnessing the aftermath. Arriving in Mecca, he wrote a widely circulated poem, a hostile lament, over the dead of Mecca.
September (?) 624: Ibn Sunayna +25
Ibn Sunayna was a Jewish merchant whose only crime seems to be that he was in town when the Muslims went on a killing spree
July-August 625: A One-eyed Bedouin +20
After failing at one of their assassination attempts, some Muslims were returning to Muhammad when one of them, an assassin named Amr, went into a cave. He soon encountered a one-eyed shepherd driving a sheep. The one-eyed man laid beside Amr (not realizing that he was a Muslim) and began to sing:
I won’t be a Muslim as long as I live,
Nor heed to their religion give.
Amr didn’t miss his chance to kill an infidel
After January 630: close call for Abdullah bin Sad +50
Muhammad had killed a number of satirical poets during his conquest of Mecca, but that the Prophet would forgive a poet who came to him in repentance, which really meant becoming a Muslim. His brother told him that the poets who were left had fled in all directions
As Zuhayr came into the Prophet's presence, one of the Ansars (helpers or native Medinans who helped Muhammad after his Hijrah) leaped upon Zuhayr and asked Muhammad if he could behead the enemy of God, for some of Zuhayr's verses mocked the Ansars, too. The apostle said to leave him alone, for Zuhayr was breaking free from his past. The implication is clear: if Muhammad had caught Zuhayr before his repentance, Muhammad would have allowed him to be beheaded. Either he converts or he dies—for writing derogatory poetry
After January 630: One of Abdullah bin Katal’s two singing-girls +25
one of the girls was killed, but the other ran away until she asked for pardon from Muhammad, who forgave her
Poets were actually the NEWS MEDIA par EXCELLENCE of Arabia. They were LETHAL weapons since a very capable and articulate poet of a small tribe could elevate it in poems to levels greater than a much more powerful one.
As far as our research has demonstrated, no poet in the long period of the so called Jahiliyyah period, that is before Muhammadan Islam, was ever murdered for what he or she recited unlike what was done by Muhammad and his followers.