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Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
It is highly debatable that Yehoshua fulfills the prophecies for the Immanu'el.
Historically speaking, it is much more likely that he represents another god entirely.
Not the clan god Yahweh.
Messianic Judaism is just more extreme syncretization.
Originally posted by old_god
Okay let me enlighten you. After many many years of studying and investing time in this religion (which is not mine by the way, I am not "religious" in any sense, I am a Muslim by choice) I have come to the conclusion you have 3 distinct groups in Islam:
1. The largest Majority Sunni's, are passive by their nature (however this does not exclude those elements that are bent on twisting the Sufi order to their liking).
2. There is a distinct and growing threat to both the western world and Islam as a whole and that is the Wahabi ideology (indirectly supported by Salafi's) - what you describe and see as fundamentalist Islam is almost always attributed to these groups i.e. any/all perpetrators tend to be heavily influenced by these groups and their ideologies (who seem to be firmly rooted in places like London and Universities up and down the country).
3. Shia's - This last group is well known and considered far outside of the folds of Islam.
I have said this in the past and I will say it again, the majority of Muslims who are Sunni's practice a type of Sufi tradition and this with it's teachings by its nature, is "passive" and as such does not allow for the literalistic interpretations that exist amongst the Wahabi's and Salafi's (as well as the illiterate Sunni's).
Anyway good subject matter for a debate and I have enjoyed it so far, thank you everyone but it's time for me to sleep, Adios!
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by wjones837
Reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Technically God is responsible for all deaths, since He gave them all life.
But how exactly do we expect to discover what happened 1400 years ago when there are murders that happened in the last decade and we can't figure out?
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Well if we had a corpse we could exhume and do testing on, the poison could possibly still be in his carcass. Unfortunately his tomb was bulldozed because some muslim were making pilgrimages to it and praying at it.
we didn't steal this it was passed onto us freely from the messianic jews who were closest to Yeshua.
Do you really buy that? A angel afraid of a dog?
Demons...the spirits of the nephilim are afraid of dogs .
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
The Koran however, is a revelation by itself....
Originally posted by old_god
reply to post by Jameela
Hi, sorry I should have been more clearer, I was trying to be factual without insinuating anything. I actually pray in a Salafi Masjid that on a Friday, consists of Shia's, Sunni's, Salafi's and Wahabi's but I wanted to point out how the modern Wahabi personality views any other flavour of Islam.
Praying in a mixed environment like that really opened my eyes and me realise we are all the same at a base level, just some are considered more outside of the folds of Islam than others.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by arpgme
Yes, the WORD Allah did come from the ancient moon god, but did you know that Yahweh (God of The Bible) was an ancient Canaanite WAR god?
Any evidence for this?
Going by the Koran, Allah is defined as the God who
- created Adam and Eve
- Guided Noah, Abraham, Moses
- Gave the psalms to David
- Sent Jesus
I read the same things in the bible. Does it mean that the christians worship the moon god as well?
John Wayne Bobbitt (born March 23, 1967 in Buffalo, New York) and Lorena Bobbitt (née Gallo) (born October 31, 1970 in Bucay, Ecuador) were an American couple, married on June 18, 1989, whose difficult relationship gained worldwide notoriety for an incident in 1993 when Lorena severed John's penis with a knife. The penis was subsequently surgically re-attached
The Filipina Lorena Bobbit
A FILIPINA maid is under arrest in Saudi Arabia for chopping off the penis of her abusive employer, reports said yesterday.
According to a report in the Okaz daily, the 38-year-old employer allegedly snuck into the maid’s quarters after his wife had gone to sleep and tried to rape her. The Filipina managed to escape his advances, rushed into the kitchen and got a knife.
“Despite her weapon, the man attempted to assault the maid, who, in return, pulled a ‘Lorena Bobbit’ defense and cut off the man’s penis,” added Arab News, an English-language daily, referring to the New Jersey woman who cut off her husband’s sex organ with an eight-inch carving knife in a high-profile 1993 case. [New Jersey, Virginia, what’s the difference? — ed.]
More than one million Filipinos work in Saudi Arabia, most of them in the construction and housekeeping sectors. The kingdom remains a top destination for job-seeking Filipinos.
Foreign workers in Saudi Arabia, many of them maids, are systematically abused and exploited, the New York-based advocacy group Human Rights Watch said in a July 2004 report.
The Saudi authorities strongly deny the charge.
The Saudis "strongly deny" reality, so what?
Meanwhile, Mr. Rapist — make that “alleged attempted rapist” -- is recovering from the surgery to re-attach his brain penis. As the doctor said:
“This is a sophisticated operation. You are dealing with an organ in a difficult area and you want to try to return to its efficiency,” said a spokesman at Riyadh’s Takhassusi Hospital.
“It’s one of the rare cases ... but they did it (the operation) last week and it went smoothly,” the spokesman said. “The hospital has done this kind of operation before, but only after people had car accidents.”
That organ is never going to be “efficient” again. The maid may die from the lashings, but she has saved the next maid who unwittingly enters servitude in that household.
Let’s see...how many clitoridectomies do we have to make up for? Well, that’s one less, anyway.
NOTE: Sorry, there weren’t any photos.
Wife Chops Off Husband's Penis, Throws in Garbage Disposal
Wife Accused of Cutting Off Husband's Penis
Catherine Kieu Becker, 48, is under arrest for chopping off her husband's penis and tossing it in the garbage disposal.
After she laced her husband's food with an unknown drug or poison, he lay down, believing something was wrong with the food, according to police reports. Her husband then woke up tied to the bed as Becker cut off his penis with a knife. She then threw the genitalia in the garbage disposal and turned the disposal on, Lt. Jeff Nightengale of Garden Grove, Calif. police, said.
Nightengale said the couple is going through a divorce, but could not confirm why Becker wanted to cut off her husband's manhood.
Becker eventually called 911, asking for medical assistance. When firefighters and police arrived on scene, Becker told officials that her husband "deserved it," said Nightengale. Police found the man, who remains unidentified, tied to the bed and "bleeding profusely." Becker was arrested on several charges, including aggravated mayhem, false imprisonment and assault with a deadly weapon.
Her husband was rushed to University of California at Irvine Medical Center for treatment.
"He is in stable condition, but we have no details about the surgery," said Nightengale.
"Police were able to recover portions of the penis from the garbage disposal," Nightengale noted, but it is unclear how much or whether doctors will be able to reattach them.
"The immediate issue here is to control the bleeding," said Dr. Alasdair Conn, chief of emergency services at Massachusetts General Hospital, who said that the injury is quite unusual, even in the emergency room.
Upon his arrival, doctors need to tie off arteries and veins to stop the bleeding. Surgeons will attempt to maintain the remaining tissue and cover the wound so it does not get infected, Conn said.
If the penis is available to reattach, Dr. Ryan Terlecki, assistant professor surgical sciences-urology at Wake Forest University, said it should be wrapped in saline-soaked gauze, placed in a plastic bag, and the bag then should be placed in an ice bath to keep cold.
"Time is of the essence for a re-implant," said Terlecki, who has performed a handful of such procedures. "It's best to reattach it within 24 hours, preferably less than eight hours."
Doctors then reconstruct the nerve arteries and veins, while also putting the erectile tissue back together.
Urine control will not likely be affected because the muscle that causes the sensation to go to the bathroom is outside of the bladder. That muscle probably went untouched during the assault, Conn said, but a Foley catheter will likely be inserted into the bladder to drain urine, which is also "a relatively straightforward procedure."
If doctors cannot reattach the original penis, Conn said, "over the next few days, surgeons have to decide what to do to reconstruct the penis. Plastic surgeons who specialize in transgender operations may be able to construct a new penis."
Terlecki said that the penis is recreated by grafting tissue from another part of the body and then augmented with a penile prosthetic.
With the prosthetic, a man can still "urinate and have sexual relations and ejaculate.There's usually not the same force of ejaculation, but plumbing for that purpose is still intact."